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Old 08-29-2013, 10:00 PM   #511
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yeah...I don't mean anything negative by it. I understand the small turbos for stage 1 I guess. Heck I wish we could easily do a single 76mm(42R) under the hood honestly.
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Old 08-30-2013, 11:45 AM   #512
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The "small" turbos aren't even small. They are pretty damn big and will do 900+rwhp.
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Old 09-01-2013, 09:47 AM   #513
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spooling that fast raises the eyebrow as to if the turbos should actually be bigger. Even if the pre-turbo pressure is acceptable, it makes me wonder if you could go up on snail a bit and make more HP at less boost. CFM.
You are not always going to make more HP at less boost with bigger turbos.
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Old 09-01-2013, 09:49 AM   #514
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can I get a measurement of the intercooler...overall width from the end of the inlet to the end of the outlet? Just curious where that compares to my vortech FMIC width.
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OK, let's clear some stuff up so we don't have to keep answering these about turbo sizes we offer.

We are a Borg Warner distributor and have been for over 11 years now. We have the ability to custom build quite a few different combinations of turbos and fit within our TT kit for the Camaro5. Whether or not we offer all of these different combinations is still yet to be determined. I know the general consensus wants a pair of 67mm billet ball bearing bad ass turbos that support 1500hp, only to run them at 8psi to make 600hp. Let's not over wheel our turbos here. Pick a power goal, then we'll guide you to the proper turbos.

Also, the below list is what CAN be made by us for the kit, whether or not we will offer all of these is yet to be determined.

Inducer CW / Exducer TW (all in mm)
56/61 (S200sx-56)
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To this date, we have yet to see the full potential of the 56/61, 56/65, or the 61/65, and there have been some pretty impressive numbers. 95% of you will never need anything bigger than the base 56/61 turbos.
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:17 AM   #516
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spooling that fast raises the eyebrow as to if the turbos should actually be bigger. Even if the pre-turbo pressure is acceptable, it makes me wonder if you could go up on snail a bit and make more HP at less boost. CFM.
I wouldn't push these turbos past 18 lbs even with only 376 cubic inches... With a bigger motor, 18 might be a stretch... But what a damn fine looking kit, and if Matt@FSP likes it, it must be good...
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OK, let's clear some stuff up so we don't have to keep answering these about turbo sizes we offer.

We are a Borg Warner distributor and have been for over 11 years now. We have the ability to custom build quite a few different combinations of turbos and fit within our TT kit for the Camaro5. Whether or not we offer all of these different combinations is still yet to be determined. I know the general consensus wants a pair of 67mm billet ball bearing bad ass turbos that support 1500hp, only to run them at 8psi to make 600hp. Let's not over wheel our turbos here. Pick a power goal, then we'll guide you to the proper turbos.

Also, the below list is what CAN be made by us for the kit, whether or not we will offer all of these is yet to be determined.

Inducer CW / Exducer TW (all in mm)
56/61 (S200sx-56)
56/65 (S256)
61/65 (S261)
62/68 Forged Milled Wheel
63/68
66/73

To this date, we have yet to see the full potential of the 56/61, 56/65, or the 61/65, and there have been some pretty impressive numbers. 95% of you will never need anything bigger than the base 56/61 turbos.
Stated support of 1500 hp is one thing, doing it in reality is another... I've got a trail of 67 mm ball bearing turbos behind me that couldn't hang... Might have been the cubic inches of exhaust thrown at them, but the trail is there regardless. The statement, let us guide you, is important guys... If you think you might ever want to push them, REALLY push them, be honest with AGP and let them guide you... You will trade off low end stuff, but, you'll have room to grow... And they will keep you out of surge problems...

I'm installing 76/75's right now to see if we can keep from blowing them up.. But like Ben mentioned, I'm one of the knuckleheads that never knows when to stop...
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I'm pretty turbo fluent. I agree with all said above. Staying on the turbos island of efficiency is key to hp.
I had a GN for 7 years....FYI.
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Old 09-01-2013, 06:17 PM   #519
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I've got a trail of 67 mm ball bearing turbos behind me that couldn't hang... Might have been the cubic inches of exhaust thrown at them, but the trail is there regardless.
Precision turbos I'm guessing? What kind of oil? Did you get a failure analysis? Still have any of the dead ones? I would bet just about anything that it's nothing to do with the turbos being too small.
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Precision turbos I'm guessing? What kind of oil? Did you get a failure analysis? Still have any of the dead ones? I would bet just about anything that it's nothing to do with the turbos being too small.
They are the brand you mentioned, and yes it is due to over spinning them.... We had one looked at and the compressor wheel broke... It blew the hell up... unbalanced and took the shaft out... We are so far outside the boost map the vendor you mentioned was surprised they lasted as long as they did... I blew both of em up on the drivers side... Also did this with the original journal bearing turbos I had.... and the first set of ball bearing turbos... Too many cubes spinning too high an rpm...

A friend that races turbo cars in the five/six second range told me occasionally it's a balance problem.... If they will make it two passes or so, they are fine for many passes... That's what happened with the last 67/66 I put on it... We had it overnighted and put it on, ran it less than an hour or so of mostly idle time before pouring the choriso to it and it failed... Admitted balance issue and fully warranted, no questions... and they know it's used for racing...

I stand behind the quality of items and customer service I have received from Precision... So, back on topic...

I only run amsoil, and I change the filter and oil more often than some change underwear... Every 2500 or so miles and prior to every race event...
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Didnt re read this whole thread but what kind of fuel upgrades does this kit include? (Injectors,bap?)
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80lb injectors and an MSD Voltage Booster
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Old 09-03-2013, 06:57 PM   #523
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Didnt re read this whole thread but what kind of fuel upgrades does this kit include? (Injectors,bap?)

I'd be happy to work some trade-in, or better yet go grab another SS then you'll have a ECS & AGP kit!!!

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Ben answered your question already though.
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Just changed out a scavenge system on a 2010 camaro custom TT kit that was brought to us. The car smoked on startup and on decel/rev. Removed the pump, lines, brackets, installed the AGP Scavenge system. This included the AGP pump, filter, billet oil cap adapter, hoses, timer, and wiring harness. This is now the second time we have changed out a scavenge system that was inferior, and the AGP worked like a charm.
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80lb injectors and an MSD Voltage Booster
And how much power will that support?
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Old 09-03-2013, 10:17 PM   #526
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Alright, after reading this thread for the 2nd time, i am starting to waffle over to the AGP kit vs a custom fabbed setup using PT6766 units.

Couple questions though. After much research and brain picking, I have figured for my goals (up to 1200rwhp, but 1000-1100 initially) that the PT6766 or similar sized turbo is what i need to not over task the turbos. No E85 available here but i do blend in Torch for intank octane of about 96 and my compression ratio static is about 9.4 to one with -23cc Wiseco coated pistons

So what BW unit is similar to the 6766 that has 66mm inducer 87mm exducer on the compressor side and 67mm exducer and 75.5mm inducer on the turbine. I was gonna go with .96A/R T4 turbine housings and 4 in inlet and 2.5 in discharge on the compressor.

Also, with my Mast black label 6 bolt heads, the OEM manifolds will not work so i need custom built manifolds or maybe 2" shorties. What are the options with the AGP kit? Love the attention to detail that seems evident with this kit.

I am hoping to get ADM to take this on.
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Alright, after reading this thread for the 2nd time, i am starting to waffle over to the AGP kit vs a custom fabbed setup using PT6766 units.

Couple questions though. After much research and brain picking, I have figured for my goals (up to 1200rwhp, but 1000-1100 initially) that the PT6766 or similar sized turbo is what i need to not over task the turbos. No E85 available here but i do blend in Torch for intank octane of about 96 and my compression ratio static is about 9.4 to one with -23cc Wiseco coated pistons

So what BW unit is similar to the 6766 that has 66mm inducer 87mm exducer on the compressor side and 67mm exducer and 75.5mm inducer on the turbine. I was gonna go with .96A/R T4 turbine housings and 4 in inlet and 2.5 in discharge on the compressor.

Also, with my Mast black label 6 bolt heads, the OEM manifolds will not work so i need custom built manifolds or maybe 2" shorties. What are the options with the AGP kit? Love the attention to detail that seems evident with this kit.

I am hoping to get ADM to take this on.
Good decision to use ADM over over SNL (Monster Clutches). Andy will take care of you AND make 1100 rwhp. I also think its wise to use a kit that is proven versus a "custom" kit that is new and unproven.

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