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Old 03-02-2014, 08:37 AM   #751
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Depends on the car/etc. I would say keep the WB ~4ft from the head ports, not from the turbo. On the camaro you have the factory manifold, adapter, turbo, then downpipe. There is plenty of distance to keep from baking a WB02.
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:00 PM   #752
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Wideband sensors do not like to be run hotter than about 1400degF, hence locating them further back from the turbo is advisable.

Sometimes it isnt possible, but it is always preferred.

If you're stuck mounting them in a hot location, places sell extended bosses to pull the sensor away from the exhaust stream a bit and with cooling fins on them to help try and reduce sensor temperature.

Narrowband sensors arent just as fussy, so not a major issue.

For the sake of not having to modify or weld anything what type of extender would work for this, i didnt see anything about cooling fins, but is this close to what you mean by getting the sensor away from the direct stream?


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Old 03-03-2014, 09:19 PM   #753
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It is fine where it is at. I wouldn't waste your time/money.
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Old 03-04-2014, 02:53 AM   #754
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Old 03-04-2014, 12:37 PM   #755
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Some we're saying that a wide band should be install after the turbo and some say before????
What do you guys think?
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Old 03-04-2014, 01:20 PM   #756
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In the last 15yrs as widebands have become common place in just about every modified turbo car we've ever dealt with (10,000+cars millions and millions of miles). We found anything after the turbo is fine. 10" out of the turbo or 4', doesn't seem to make any difference on sensor life. Constant highly leaded fuel or moisture is much more detrimental than post turbine temps. Sensors mounted before the turbine is suicide. Got lots of damaged turbos in here that have ingested EGT probes and o2 sensor bits. Turbo is usually garbage at that point.
Anyone who has seen different is likely anecdotal and not seen a large enough sample.
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:22 AM   #757
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Saw the facebook post but any more info on the cold air intake kit? Pricing etc. I would simply just swap these I assume for my current setup.

Any other pictures installed etc?
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:40 AM   #758
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Pricing on the website. Not sure about install pictures, not much to see when installed since it is almost all in the fender. Runs the pipe to the fender and puts the filter up high in the fender by the rear view mirror.
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Old 03-05-2014, 12:05 PM   #759
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I wouldn't waste your money on the cold air kit, its just more crap on your car that isn't necessary. If your worried about water/rain just slide the K&N waterproof covers on the filters.
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Old 03-05-2014, 12:13 PM   #760
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I have the cold air kit. If nothing else it sounds cool as you can hear air entering the filters.
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Old 03-05-2014, 04:08 PM   #761
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They definitely sound cool. Makes the turbo noise a lot more pronounced.
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Old 03-05-2014, 04:17 PM   #762
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I wouldn't waste your money on the cold air kit, its just more crap on your car that isn't necessary. If your worried about water/rain just slide the K&N waterproof covers on the filters.
Interesting, i was wondering if there was something like this out there (filter covers). It seems they are water repellant and not waterproof. Also restrict flow a bit. But in the driving rain, are you really gonna be in boost????

Only problem is how to get the damn things on if caught on a trip and in an unexpected thunderstorm. Guess you could just park for a while?

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I don't know about other kits but the AGP kit filters are pretty damn high up along with the turbos. We purposely drove the car through the biggest puddles we could find. Monsoons here are crazy, water flowing over the curbs. Not a single issue. You would have to try to cross a river and be in 18"+ deep water to have an issue. If someone wanted to do that, first concern would be the water pouring in through the doors but if they wanted then do the cold airs and figure out how to deal with the water pouring into your doors and probably the vent lines on the diff/transmissions too.
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I don't know about other kits but the AGP kit filters are pretty damn high up along with the turbos. We purposely drove the car through the biggest puddles we could find. Monsoons here are crazy, water flowing over the curbs. Not a single issue. You would have to try to cross a river and be in 18"+ deep water to have an issue. If someone wanted to do that, first concern would be the water pouring in through the doors but if they wanted then do the cold airs and figure out how to deal with the water pouring into your doors and probably the vent lines on the diff/transmissions too.
Yea, i am familiar with the monsoons you guys can get. I was out at Luke AFB '97-'00.

I am new to turbos....as a matter of fact its still gonna be a few more weeks. No worries there, just get it done right.

I assume the turbos can ingest water splashed up onto the filters, but may have major issues when the filters become partially submerged. Is this correct....or simply, just how much can the turbos deal with if caught out in a good storm.

No worries here in North Texas. I have not been able to wash my car in my driveway for 4 years now. Stage3 and 4 drought restrictions. We cant even turn on our hoses outside now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 03-05-2014, 08:41 PM   #765
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You can hold the covers under the sink & water doesn't pass was through them. Google it, they have videos showing it. Supposedly they don't restrict airflow either.
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You can hold the covers under the sink & water doesn't pass was through them. Google it, they have videos showing it. Supposedly they don't restrict airflow either.
Yeah, I did google it, long ago. Thanks again for the heads up on this but..............

PreCharger® - The K&N PreCharger is a specially designed filter wrap made to extend the service interval of your K&N Filter when used in very dusty conditions. They are made from durable polyester material containing uniform micron openings. The PreCharger will stop small dirt particles; yet add little restriction to the airflow of the filter. The PreCharger is designed to be run dry and can be cleaned with K&N Filter Cleaner. The PreCharger is custom made to fit each application. Double stitched elastic openings assure that the PreCharger will stay in place. The PreChargers are available in a variety of colors.

DryCharger® - K&N DryChargers are manufactured from a durable polyester material and are pre-treated with a proprietary hydrophobic process designed to prevent splashes of water or mud from saturating your K&N air filter. The DryCharger will also stop small dirt particles; yet add little restriction to the airflow of the filter. Please be aware the DryCharger is water repellent, not water proof. Depending on conditions and usage the water repellent treatment is good for 1 to 2 years.

Universal DryCharger filter wrap material - K&N's DryCharger material can be used to make a filter wrap for sizes that are not currently available. This material is designed to prevent splashes of water or mud from saturating your K&N air filter. It will also stop small dirt particles while adding little restriction to the airflow of the filter. Visit K&N's Universal DryCharger Filter Wrap Material page for more information.


Thanks again for this heads up. I can rest easier now!

Although, ask Andy on the chances of it raining here in North TX!!!!!
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That makes them sound like junk!
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Old 03-05-2014, 09:11 PM   #768
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That makes them sound like junk!
Truth in advertising? Good on em if so! I will carry a pair in my trunk just in case. As well as a pair of race ramps.

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Still no need on the AGP kit unless you are crossing rivers.

Lethal just made 900rwhp/920rwtq on 11.2psi on twin 56s with pump/meth. Not bad at all.
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I don't know about other kits but the AGP kit filters are pretty damn high up along with the turbos. We purposely drove the car through the biggest puddles we could find. Monsoons here are crazy, water flowing over the curbs. Not a single issue. You would have to try to cross a river and be in 18"+ deep water to have an issue. If someone wanted to do that, first concern would be the water pouring in through the doors but if they wanted then do the cold airs and figure out how to deal with the water pouring into your doors and probably the vent lines on the diff/transmissions too.
The turbos are low mounted, and I'm sure the inlet of the turbo is much lower than 18"

Any pictures Ive seen, they look very low.

it may take very wet conditions or a large puddle of water before it would ever be a major concern, but IMO it would be a LOT less than 18" if the air filters are mounted directly to the turbos.

And even if they werent, I wouldnt be keen on dunking a hot turbo into water even if water couldnt get ingested.

And I'm saying this after mounting my own turbos very low, and I live somewhere it rains a lot.

Just need to use common sense when very wet roads or conditions are involved.
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Old 03-06-2014, 08:23 AM   #771
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Interesting, i was wondering if there was something like this out there (filter covers). It seems they are water repellant and not waterproof. Also restrict flow a bit. But in the driving rain, are you really gonna be in boost????

Only problem is how to get the damn things on if caught on a trip and in an unexpected thunderstorm. Guess you could just park for a while?

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Still no need on the AGP kit unless you are crossing rivers.

Lethal just made 900rwhp/920rwtq on 11.2psi on twin 56s with pump/meth. Not bad at all.
My car still have the biggest numbers with this kit?
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Filters aren't mounted directly on the turbos. They are on 45 degrees bends angled up. Yes I agree with care, but people are making it a much bigger issue than it is. It would
take some really stupid driving to cause issues IMO.

Mylftft, Until Blake gets on a real dyno yes. I fully believe he is making 1100+ but he needs to get it on a dynojet that will hold the tires to see.

I believe Lethal is the first >376ci car and manual. That car should easily go 1100+ if it has the fuel/etc to hold it. I know the AGP shop car is getting a 416 LME motor but it is the same 6l90 as you so it will be limited by the transmission to ~1000rwhp.
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Dynapack would guarantee no slip, or DynoDynamics would be able to hold it ok.

I do agree it would take some foolishness and floods for it to be an issue though.

I dont think water spray alone would ever be a major concern, as although the air inlets are low, to a degree they are in a fairly sheltered location from spray.
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Pictures of my car might be messing with peoples minds, my filters are directly on the turbos.
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Dynapack would guarantee no slip, or DynoDynamics would be able to hold it ok.

I do agree it would take some foolishness and floods for it to be an issue though.

I dont think water spray alone would ever be a major concern, as although the air inlets are low, to a degree they are in a fairly sheltered location from spray.
He maxed the dynapak out. Hit the torque limit and it throws and error saying torque limit exceeded. Could turn it down but that isn't a real number then. So unless someone has a dynapak that has a higher torque limit that doesn't work.
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