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Old 04-30-2013, 10:54 PM   #51
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So for clarification, with an auto and dr's do i need a window switch if i'm not spinning, do the injectors stop spraying between shifts like i've been lead to believe with some mopars? hav'e gotten much info on this and i'd perfer not to have to buy one if i don't need it for my uses. also for a single fogger shark nozzle would a 150 shot be a safe amount to run through it? or would it start to have issues forcing me to go plate. other then that i have no other questions. i really didn't find a solid answer on these. i've seen vids of people spraying 150 through them on a dyno but i wasn't sure on the longevity of that style of spraying vs a plate system.
As long as your good with activating the nitrous via push button above 3k, spraying through the shift (or letting go of the push button so you don't) and have a tune or a device that can cut spark before oem tune rev limit rpm, you "should" be fine. As Dan said, use the LNC2000 to pull timing and set the upper rpm limit below the factory tune rev limit rpm. If not, you could break loose and hit the stock rpm limit and it would cut fuel, not good. Need to watch your afr, detonation, fuel pressure, possibly injector duty cycle and your cats.. Colder plugs needed, as well as good fuel. Issue with a dry system is how do you adjust fuel if the afr is not correct. Tune would be needed. Not aware of injectors cutting back on the shift. Window switch removes human error and usually adds the ability of a progressive system. Lots of ways to make it work, depends what your comfortable with having in your ride.
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I don't like buttons you hold. I like an on/off switch and a wot throttle switch. Get a SCT handheld and a Jannetty tune or something like that. Just the trans part of the tune will be worth it. I love my zex wet kit. It wires into the tps so no wot switch needed. Adjust fuel jet size for proper AFR, set lnc2000 to pull proper amount of timing, put in proper plugs, and all done.

Again, do some research on those NGK plugs. They caused cruise rpm light throttle misfires that I could feel when cruising up the interstate.
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No cats here, ANd according to the manufacturer MAF adjusts fuel based on what it sees coming in. That is the whole basis for the dry system. The instructions state, "Spraying cold nitrous across the MAF will cause a significant increase in fuel delivery and the N2O will allow you to burn it." Their whole claim to safety with this system is the direction of the dry nozzle and how it hits the MAF. This is also how you get a little HP out of the CAI. Cooler air, More air, MAF adds fuel.

Edit: and just for the record, (and I know others have already disagreed on this), but they also state the O2 sensors play a role in fuel delivery too. like in addition to the MAF monitoring what is coming in, the o2 sensors monito what is going out. So 2 measures of air coming in to add fuel by stock fuel system, and the N20 to burn it. Makes sense to me.
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No cats here, ANd according to the manufacturer MAF adjusts fuel based on what it sees coming in. That is the whole basis for the dry system. The instructions state, "Spraying cold nitrous across the MAF will cause a significant increase in fuel delivery and the N2O will allow you to burn it." Their whole claim to safety with this system is the direction of the dry nozzle and how it hits the MAF. This is also how you get a little HP out of the CAI. Cooler air, More air, MAF adds fuel.
Yes, I understand what they are stating, that is their claim and i agree it will add fuel. But what happens if you do not get the 11.5-11.7 afr? A tune will be needed. When the kit is installed, it may be spot on, but then again ?? I'd like to see some logs with a stock tune from someone who has this system.
If you have no cats, do you have LT headers? If so, what is your afr? You may be lean already with your canned tune. If the Dynotune system is designed for a non modded car and you are modded, then how will it perform? And with your canned tune? Would hate to see the engine get damaged. Just throwing some stuff out there.

Install the system
Spray at the correct rpm
Datalog-make necessary changes if needed
Then have at it
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By your theory I didn't need a tune when I installed my supercharger. MAF sees more air and adds more fuel. Then o2 sensors fine tune. But.......

Not the case. MAF curve needs rebuilt. Timing needs corrected. Trans, yull kill it with more power and no tuning. O2 sensors do not correct at WOT I don't care what you were told. Call Ted Jannetty or any reputable experienced tuner and have a 5 minute conversation.

Bottom line, You either need a wet kit and a timing controller, or a dry kit and a tune.

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By your theory I didn't need a tune when I installed my supercharger. MAF sees more air and adds more fuel. Then o2 sensors fine tune. But.......

Not the case. MAF curve needs rebuilt. Timing needs corrected. Trans, yull kill it with more power and no tuning. O2 sensors do not correct at WOT I don't care what you were told. Call Ted Jannetty or any reputable experienced tuner and have a 5 minute conversation.

Bottom line, You either need a wet kit and a timing controller, or a dry kit and a tune.

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The ideal scenario would be to use the custom operating system e85 tables in EFI Live so that you can match the window switch to jump over to the e85 table and bump the fuel.
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The ideal scenario would be to use the custom operating system e85 tables in EFI Live so that you can match the window switch to jump over to the e85 table and bump the fuel.
HPT has the ability to use the E85 tables also now.
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Edit: and just for the record, (and I know others have already disagreed on this), but they also state the O2 sensors play a role in fuel delivery too. like in addition to the MAF monitoring what is coming in, the o2 sensors monito what is going out. So 2 measures of air coming in to add fuel by stock fuel system, and the N20 to burn it. Makes sense to me.[/QUOTE]

Trust the members who responded to your thread. They are giving you rock solid information.
At WOT, factory narrow band O2 sensors play no role. At WOT it is open loop. And if I remember correctly, above 75% throttle it goes into open loop. So anything under 75% is closed loop, meaning feed back from the O2 sensors is used to adjust fuel for your ST and LT fuel trims.
Not sure who they are. But if the Dynotech instructions state that the O2 sensors play a role at WOT for the gen 5 Camaro, then I would seriously doubt their system and knowledge.
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It was stated as a general term for cars in general. This is a "specific" for camaro package and can be used on any V8. After I got this and reading up a little as well as this thread, I underatnd alot mor aabout this system works and the simplicity of its setup. Using it right out of the box according to their directions I think can be done, only up to a 100 jet. More experienced people who use nitrous regularly have posted to go after a more "safe" and complete set up before use. So all of this is helpful to me.
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Thanks guys, we all learn from these posts. And just for the record, alot of the times I post from a little less knowledgeable standpoint. That way I can get opinions from all levels of experience. I never post like I know everything because you never know what you can learn from a veteran or even from a new guy who has a fresh outlook. Again, thanks for the info. Hopefully others can read this and learn too.
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Ok....little bit disappointed. Was going to try the 50 shot today and maybe.....I said maybe, work up to the 100. Went back to stock tune and finished installing the electronics in the kit. Was ready to go. Oh, and 1 step colder plugs were put in, and higher.....much higher....octane fuel and even a fuel booster a buddy recommended. so a half a tank of great fuel and colder plugs. Turned everything on and the ****in solenoid wont hold the bottle pressure. I dont know if its bad, (cause I did remember dropping it once), or if I need to better seal the hoses. All I heard was PSHHHHHH, when I barely opened the bottle. Mostly at the solenoid and some coming out the jet in the intake. (and yes I did take the air filter off), as I have the jet in the top to spray directly on the MAF. Oh well, try again later. Ive got some work to do. Do you think the solenoid is bad? or just need better sealing. Going to check wiring again, they said solenoid needs proper power source and good ground to hold pressure correctly. I hope my bottle pressure isnt too high, I have no bottle gauge yet, but they only put in 8 pounds instead of 10 for first fill so I think its ok.
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Ok....little bit disappointed. Was going to try the 50 shot today and maybe.....I said maybe, work up to the 100. Went back to stock tune and finished installing the electronics in the kit. Was ready to go. Oh, and 1 step colder plugs were put in, and higher.....much higher....octane fuel and even a fuel booster a buddy recommended. so a half a tank of great fuel and colder plugs. Turned everything on and the ****in solenoid wont hold the bottle pressure. I dont know if its bad, (cause I did remember dropping it once), or if I need to better seal the hoses. All I heard was PSHHHHHH, when I barely opened the bottle. Mostly at the solenoid and some coming out the jet in the intake. (and yes I did take the air filter off), as I have the jet in the top to spray directly on the MAF. Oh well, try again later. Ive got some work to do. Do you think the solenoid is bad? or just need better sealing. Going to check wiring again, they said solenoid needs proper power source and good ground to hold pressure correctly. I hope my bottle pressure isnt too high, I have no bottle gauge yet, but they only put in 8 pounds instead of 10 for first fill so I think its ok.
Unless you cook the bottle I doubt the pressure is to high. Def get a pressure gauge. It's a cheap investment. You could weigh your bottles to see how much they put in. I think mine weigh 25.6 filled.
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You don't need a ground or power for the solenoid to seal shut. You have a bad seal in the solenoid or a score or a nick. Make sure you don't have power on it either. Btw. Ideally your gauge should measure bottle pressure, need to empty to install. Or put gauge on the line side which will only measure pressure with the bottle open. Unless you used a torch to heat the bottle or have a malfunctioning bottle heater/pressure switch, you shouldn't have excessive pressure. You should also have a rupture disk too. You need correct bottle pressure to achieve the proper shot. Just bc you have 100 shot jet, doesn't mean you will get 100 shot worth of nitrous, depends on correct bottle pressure. Was the car running when you opened the bottle, if not, you need to be careful so that you don't fill your intake with nitrous and then try to start it.
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You don't need a ground or power for the solenoid to seal shut. You have a bad seal in the solenoid or a score or a nick. Make sure you don't have power on it either. Btw. Ideally your gauge should measure bottle pressure, need to empty to install. Or put gauge on the line side which will only measure pressure with the bottle open. Unless you used a torch to heat the bottle or have a malfunctioning bottle heater/pressure switch, you shouldn't have excessive pressure. You should also have a rupture disk too. You need correct bottle pressure to achieve the proper shot. Just bc you have 100 shot jet, doesn't mean you will get 100 shot worth of nitrous, depends on correct bottle pressure. Was the car running when you opened the bottle, if not, you need to be careful so that you don't fill your intake with nitrous and then try to start it.
Got it.......N20 line was disconnected from intake so shooting nitrous in wouldnt happen, pluss i wanted to make sue the lines were cleaned out. I did make a bonehead mistake BadBubba, the damn soeloind was in backwards, pressure is holding now. Like I said! Newb to NOS! Oh well, I can admit my mistakes. Now Im chasing down some electrical issues. WOT switch wont activate solenoid. Have to work till wednesday so packing it up for now.
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Ok, all done installing. Ready to arm and go. Stock spark plugs, 50hp jet installed, hypertech still on. Probably gonna try the 50 like this. But hey! I havent had any dry system users chime in yet. And I doubt I am the only one who uses a dry shot here. Come on! chime in and let me know your setup and results.
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Ok, all done installing. Ready to arm and go. Stock spark plugs, 50hp jet installed, hypertech still on. Probably gonna try the 50 like this. But hey! I havent had any dry system users chime in yet. And I doubt I am the only one who uses a dry shot here. Come on! chime in and let me know your setup and results.
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I just wanted someone else who is running a dry shot with success to post their setup. No one has yet. I am itching to pull the trigger on mine. I am actually going to install the colder plugs and remove the hypertech tune before I do. ANd also up the octane a bit.
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I just wanted someone else who is running a dry shot with success to post their setup. No one has yet. I am itching to pull the trigger on mine. I am actually going to install the colder plugs and remove the hypertech tune before I do. ANd also up the octane a bit.

I'm currently running a 55 dry shot with my blower at 15-16psi. LPE twin pumps. Everything done by Jannetty. It's on a WOT switch so it's on the entire pass. Once I can get the traction and suspension dialed in we are going to up the nitrous.
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By your theory I didn't need a tune when I installed my supercharger. MAF sees more air and adds more fuel. Then o2 sensors fine tune. But.......

Not the case. MAF curve needs rebuilt. Timing needs corrected. Trans, yull kill it with more power and no tuning. O2 sensors do not correct at WOT I don't care what you were told. Call Ted Jannetty or any reputable experienced tuner and have a 5 minute conversation.

Bottom line, You either need a wet kit and a timing controller, or a dry kit and a tune.

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This is not "MY" theory. This is the basis for dry nitrous systems that was going on long before me.
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I'm currently running a 55 dry shot with my blower at 15-16psi. LPE twin pumps. Everything done by Jannetty. It's on a WOT switch so it's on the entire pass. Once I can get the traction and suspension dialed in we are going to up the nitrous.
Jesus.....I was looking for a rookie like me to post about their dry system. You sir are already "A few notches above". If I cant much feel the 50, how can you notice 55 at all?
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Jesus.....I was looking for a rookie like me to post about their dry system. You sir are already "A few notches above". If I cant much feel the 50, how can you notice 55 at all?
Ha!! I can't feel the 55 at all. I needed to get a little kick and the blower was maxed out.
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Ok, made 2 pulls on the 75 jet. Still stock spark plugs, Hypertech tune, no cats, K&N intake. Getting on the freeway I let it get into third and wind up a little bit. Armed the system and punched it, Remember WOT switch activated. Holy Shit! I felt this one pretty good. It hit pretty hard for being a dry shot, Im sure the downshift helped. I Let it rag out one gear and shift. Nice and strong.....No pinging, sounded like a ****in NASCAR. 2nd pull was on the way home from dinner. Did an 80-135 pull and got there quick, ( on a closed legal road of course). Loving this stuff. Going for the 100 tomorrow with a couple changes.
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