Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Flowmaster Exhaust
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > General Camaro Forums > Chevy Camaro vs...

Chevy Camaro vs... Comparison of Chevy Camaro versus its competition. *NO STREET RACING STORIES*

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-12-2013, 12:10 AM   #1
Fenderaddict2
Opinionated bugger!
 
Fenderaddict2's Avatar
 
Drives: Boss 302, Mazda 2, Praga & Intrepid
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Oakville
Posts: 1,758
Camaro vs Mustang profit

We all know Camaro is the volume leader in this segment but I'd be willing to bet Ford has more margin on the Mustang than GM on the Camaro or Dodge on the Challenger. Thoughts?
__________________


Help make it happen for Fast Myles Racing '15 TRAK Kart Racing Sponsorship http://igg.me/p/fast-myles-racing-15...ship/x/9223957 #indiegogo via @indiegogo
Fenderaddict2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2013, 01:06 AM   #2
Ice Demon

 
Ice Demon's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro SS
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Earth
Posts: 1,099
I don't have any real facts only speculation but I think that It might be true that ford has a little more room for profit on the mustang than the camaro especially with ford still using a live rear end. When it comes to the most profit per car I would have to say challenger they cost alot more than the camaro or mustang and I don't see why. What merits the extra cost.
Ice Demon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2013, 06:10 PM   #3
The IOM Ninja
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 10' IOM 2SS/RS, 13' GB Shelby GT500
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Sherwood Park, AB
Posts: 2,195
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Demon View Post
I don't have any real facts only speculation but I think that It might be true that ford has a little more room for profit on the mustang than the camaro especially with ford still using a live rear end. When it comes to the most profit per car I would have to say challenger they cost alot more than the camaro or mustang and I don't see why. What merits the extra cost.
Well actually the Solid Axle (for the Mustang at least) ended up costing more than the IRS did. As for the Challenger, I imagine that the R&D still hasn't been paid off simply due to the lack of sales, though the same could be said about the Camaro, not lack of sales wise but R&D being paid off. I seriously doubt at the Camaro's R&D has been paid off yet but that being said due to the fact that so many of the Camaro's drivetrain are off of another vehicle it wouldn't surprise me in the least...

Last edited by The IOM Ninja; 04-13-2013 at 06:26 PM.
The IOM Ninja is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2013, 07:09 PM   #4
_Nick_
 
Drives: '87 T/A, '87 IROC, '70 Grand Prix
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Long Island
Posts: 448
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice Demon View Post
I don't have any real facts only speculation but I think that It might be true that ford has a little more room for profit on the mustang than the camaro especially with ford still using a live rear end.
Ford also uses a DOHC V8, while GM is using OHV. LS3s are cheaper to produce than Coyotes, and are more than likely cheaper to produce than even the V6 in the LTs.
_Nick_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2013, 08:23 PM   #5
The IOM Ninja
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 10' IOM 2SS/RS, 13' GB Shelby GT500
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Sherwood Park, AB
Posts: 2,195
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Nick_ View Post
Ford also uses a DOHC V8, while GM is using OHV. LS3s are cheaper to produce than Coyotes, and are more than likely cheaper to produce than even the V6 in the LTs.
This is true... Just look at the price of the 5.4 and 5.8 they are drastically more expensive than the LSA. They of course don't have the advantage of being in multiple vehicles but the point remains. The Mustangs main cost is its engine.
The IOM Ninja is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2013, 10:47 PM   #6
mikeyg36
The GT Troll Hundred
 
mikeyg36's Avatar
 
Drives: Cammed '12 2SS/RS LS3,'15 Z/28 #533
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Garden City, NY/Ellicott City, MD
Posts: 8,255
Quote:
Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja View Post
This is true... Just look at the price of the 5.4 and 5.8 they are drastically more expensive than the LSA. They of course don't have the advantage of being in multiple vehicles but the point remains. The Mustangs main cost is its engine.
__________________
Click For Build Thread ***CAI Intake, ARH LTs, FSP Big NA Cam, Tuned By Matt@FSP***
mikeyg36 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2013, 12:46 PM   #7
Ice Demon

 
Ice Demon's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro SS
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Earth
Posts: 1,099
Quote:
Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja View Post
Well actually the Solid Axle (for the Mustang at least) ended up costing more than the IRS did. As for the Challenger, I imagine that the R&D still hasn't been paid off simply due to the lack of sales, though the same could be said about the Camaro, not lack of sales wise but R&D being paid off. I seriously doubt at the Camaro's R&D has been paid off yet but that being said due to the fact that so many of the Camaro's drivetrain are off of another vehicle it wouldn't surprise me in the least...
I didn't know that the solid rear axel costs more and I guess it does make since about the R&D for the challenger.


Quote:
Originally Posted by _Nick_ View Post
Ford also uses a DOHC V8, while GM is using OHV. LS3s are cheaper to produce than Coyotes, and are more than likely cheaper to produce than even the V6 in the LTs.
I didn't think about that the LS3 would be cheaper to make than the coyotes maybe GM has a higher profit margin.
__________________
Ice Demon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2013, 01:52 PM   #8
Stew


 
Drives: 92 Luminadead/01 Dakota/97 F150 4x4
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Eastern, Ky
Posts: 3,796
Quote:
Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja View Post
Well actually the Solid Axle (for the Mustang at least) ended up costing more than the IRS did. As for the Challenger, I imagine that the R&D still hasn't been paid off simply due to the lack of sales, though the same could be said about the Camaro, not lack of sales wise but R&D being paid off. I seriously doubt at the Camaro's R&D has been paid off yet but that being said due to the fact that so many of the Camaro's drivetrain are off of another vehicle it wouldn't surprise me in the least...
Actually for the Challenger to break even it only has to sell 25k per year which it has far exceeded every year. Remember, the R&D for the Challenger also counts for it's platform mates the 300 and Charger, so the output for the Challenger isn't that high.

Same can be said with the Camaro too. it shares platforms with a number of cars from Austrailia, the SS, shares drivetrain components with the Vette, the TR6060 with everyone (lol).

Last edited by Stew; 04-15-2013 at 02:09 PM.
Stew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2013, 11:53 PM   #9
camaro-dreamer
 
camaro-dreamer's Avatar
 
Drives: 2008 Maxima/ 2011 Mustang GT
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: TN
Posts: 302
I would imagine that the OP's assertation is most likely true. Ford has been producing essentially the same car for a long time now. Their R&D costs were probably recouped a long time ago.
camaro-dreamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2013, 12:25 AM   #10
Fenderaddict2
Opinionated bugger!
 
Fenderaddict2's Avatar
 
Drives: Boss 302, Mazda 2, Praga & Intrepid
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Oakville
Posts: 1,758
Quote:
Originally Posted by camaro-dreamer View Post
I would imagine that the OP's assertation is most likely true. Ford has been producing essentially the same car for a long time now. Their R&D costs were probably recouped a long time ago.
Hopefully, although someone pointed out the benefits of chassis sharing, something I believe the current Mustang has done without.
__________________


Help make it happen for Fast Myles Racing '15 TRAK Kart Racing Sponsorship http://igg.me/p/fast-myles-racing-15...ship/x/9223957 #indiegogo via @indiegogo
Fenderaddict2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2013, 04:00 PM   #11
Alot9439
 
Alot9439's Avatar
 
Drives: 2SS RS
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Lubbock, TX
Posts: 197
A lot of different factors come into play tooling, platform sharing etc. personally I believe that the camaro costs more on average to make since it rides on a new platform and the tooling costs might not of been paid of yet. I think the mustangs engine costs more than the LS3 since its more complex and is not shared as much as the LS3. I belive I read someway that the v6 camaro engine (llt,Lfx) cost more to make than an LS3 !
Alot9439 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 02:24 AM   #12
PrincessLoveMustangs
Mustang Sally
 
PrincessLoveMustangs's Avatar
 
Drives: 04 GT Mustang and 93 Nissan 240SX
Join Date: May 2013
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 75
It's nothing better than that horse power
__________________
I Come In Peace!!!


PrincessLoveMustangs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 02:35 AM   #13
Q'smuscle
life with muscle
 
Q'smuscle's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 Camaro VR 2SS/RS & Impala
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Riverside,ca
Posts: 4,168
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessLoveMustangs View Post
It's nothing better than that horse power
yea, actually putting down the horsepower.
__________________
Chevy's nothing Else matters
Q'smuscle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 02:39 AM   #14
PrincessLoveMustangs
Mustang Sally
 
PrincessLoveMustangs's Avatar
 
Drives: 04 GT Mustang and 93 Nissan 240SX
Join Date: May 2013
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by Q'smuscle View Post
yea, actually putting down the horsepower.


Lets race ...
__________________
I Come In Peace!!!


PrincessLoveMustangs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 02:41 AM   #15
bw26ss
Banned
 
Drives: ss camaro
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: usa
Posts: 877
oh hell, look out.....lol
bw26ss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 02:46 AM   #16
The Stig
knows 2 facts about ducks
 
The Stig's Avatar
 
Drives: ...and they're both wrong
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The HMS Invincible
Posts: 26,675
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessLoveMustangs View Post
It's nothing better than that horse power
You say you come in peace - and yet you troll.
__________________
Click to view my build thread
The Stig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 02:48 AM   #17
PrincessLoveMustangs
Mustang Sally
 
PrincessLoveMustangs's Avatar
 
Drives: 04 GT Mustang and 93 Nissan 240SX
Join Date: May 2013
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stig View Post
You say you come in peace - and yet you troll.

How am I trolling? Because I'm a mustang fan?
__________________
I Come In Peace!!!


PrincessLoveMustangs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 02:53 AM   #18
Q'smuscle
life with muscle
 
Q'smuscle's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 Camaro VR 2SS/RS & Impala
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Riverside,ca
Posts: 4,168
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessLoveMustangs View Post
Lets race ...
This will be you in the passenger seat from your mustang to my camaro . after I win lmao sorry I took the passenger seat out so no room for you!
__________________
Chevy's nothing Else matters
Q'smuscle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 02:54 AM   #19
PrincessLoveMustangs
Mustang Sally
 
PrincessLoveMustangs's Avatar
 
Drives: 04 GT Mustang and 93 Nissan 240SX
Join Date: May 2013
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by Q'smuscle View Post
this will be you in the passenger seat from your mustang to my camaro lmao sorry I took the passenger seat out so no room for you!
smh mean
__________________
I Come In Peace!!!


PrincessLoveMustangs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 03:02 AM   #20
Q'smuscle
life with muscle
 
Q'smuscle's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 Camaro VR 2SS/RS & Impala
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Riverside,ca
Posts: 4,168
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessLoveMustangs View Post
smh mean
LOL j/k ( I come in peace) too
__________________
Chevy's nothing Else matters
Q'smuscle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 03:05 AM   #21
PrincessLoveMustangs
Mustang Sally
 
PrincessLoveMustangs's Avatar
 
Drives: 04 GT Mustang and 93 Nissan 240SX
Join Date: May 2013
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by Q'smuscle View Post
LOL j/k ( I come in peace)
That's better, now come take a ride with me.
__________________
I Come In Peace!!!


PrincessLoveMustangs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 03:11 AM   #22
Q'smuscle
life with muscle
 
Q'smuscle's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 Camaro VR 2SS/RS & Impala
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Riverside,ca
Posts: 4,168
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessLoveMustangs View Post
That's better, now come take a ride with me.
ah just what I've been looking for a mustang woman. To covert into a camaro woman
__________________
Chevy's nothing Else matters
Q'smuscle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 03:16 AM   #23
PrincessLoveMustangs
Mustang Sally
 
PrincessLoveMustangs's Avatar
 
Drives: 04 GT Mustang and 93 Nissan 240SX
Join Date: May 2013
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by Q'smuscle View Post
ah just what I've been looking for a mustang woman. To covert into a camaro woman
You may try... lol
__________________
I Come In Peace!!!


PrincessLoveMustangs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 03:26 AM   #24
Q'smuscle
life with muscle
 
Q'smuscle's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 Camaro VR 2SS/RS & Impala
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Riverside,ca
Posts: 4,168
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessLoveMustangs View Post
You may try... lol
no trying here honey! but don't want to do this to your mustang heart
__________________
Chevy's nothing Else matters
Q'smuscle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 03:32 AM   #25
PrincessLoveMustangs
Mustang Sally
 
PrincessLoveMustangs's Avatar
 
Drives: 04 GT Mustang and 93 Nissan 240SX
Join Date: May 2013
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by Q'smuscle View Post
no trying here honey! but don't want to do this to your mustang heart

I would convert you to a mustang man. My Nissan 240 SX is heart broken, because I drive the Mustang more lol. My Nissan need some work done, before I can drive it out again.
__________________
I Come In Peace!!!


PrincessLoveMustangs is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.