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Old 04-13-2013, 07:28 PM   #1
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Should be close based on all the magazine times. IS-F and M3 are both close in 1/4 mile times. And the M3 is close to the 2011+ GT. So i think it would be a pretty good race
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Old 04-15-2013, 01:11 PM   #4
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A well driven MT SS might have a chance. I don't see an auto beating one though.
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SS> ISF

but it might goes either ways depending on the drivers, they in same league
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Very close race 2 of my friends own an 08 e92 m3 and 11 isf. I have an ls3 they always beat me until I did long tubes, intake, and catback. We are all average drivers now I beat them by 2-3 cars
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IS-F is a touch quicker, but its going to be a drivers race.
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IS-F's are a tad heavier and have to rev too high to get into their power band. IF the SS driver can overcome the AWD advantage off the start, they should be able to pull it off. A bad launch and they are done.
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IS-F's are a tad heavier and have to rev too high to get into their power band. IF the SS driver can overcome the AWD advantage off the start, they should be able to pull it off. A bad launch and they are done.
Huh? IS-Fs are RWD and have a curb weight of just under 3800 lbs, which makes them lighter than the SS
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I actually raced one. I have a ls3 engine as i was able to beat him by like a car
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Huh? IS-Fs are RWD and have a curb weight of just under 3800 lbs, which makes them lighter than the SS
You sir are correct. I could have sworn it was set up on an AWD dyno when they first came out for the "drag test" that Lexus was doing at the LA Autoshow. I withdraw my previous statement, an SS should eat it for lunch.

Something about the car never took off, which would explain why lexus has killed it and it only sold 486 units last year. A 5.0L V-8 putting out 416hp @ 6600rpm and 372tq @ 5200rpm just doesn't scream sports car. That and it had 4 doors......and was an overpriced Toyota (base @ $62,645).
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You sir are correct. I could have sworn it was set up on an AWD dyno when they first came out for the "drag test" that Lexus was doing at the LA Autoshow. I withdraw my previous statement, an SS should eat it for lunch.

Something about the car never took off, which would explain why lexus has killed it and it only sold 486 units last year. A 5.0L V-8 putting out 416hp @ 6600rpm and 372tq @ 5200rpm just doesn't scream sports car. That and it had 4 doors......and was an overpriced Toyota (base @ $62,645).
Some real confusion here.

First off...the Lexus IS-F is a RWD 5.0L V8. Please educate yourself at www.lexus.com

Something never took off? HAHA Lexus has not killed off the IS-F, the 2014 IS-F is the same model as the 2013 IS-F, because they are designing a turbo'd V6 to compete with the BMW M3 which is going twin turbo'd. As for a 5.0L ONLY putting out 416hp, wanna tell the Ford Mustang guys that? Also, 486 models, well, for the most part the IS-F is a order only car, so the people that purchased it, are those looking for it. Its a small market. Compare it to the M3 coupe.

Finally, overpriced? You're seriously confused on what it is. Its a LUXURY sports sedan. The materials used to build that car beat the living hell out of the materials used to build our camaros. Don't get me wrong, I really like my camaro, but you can't compare a Mass production car like the camaro's price point to a low production/high end sports sedan. Apples and Oranges.

I was | | this close to buying an IS-F but couldn't come up with the cash at 24. However, I've been pricing trading the camaro in for one since.
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You sir are correct. I could have sworn it was set up on an AWD dyno when they first came out for the "drag test" that Lexus was doing at the LA Autoshow. I withdraw my previous statement, an SS should eat it for lunch.

Something about the car never took off, which would explain why lexus has killed it and it only sold 486 units last year. A 5.0L V-8 putting out 416hp @ 6600rpm and 372tq @ 5200rpm just doesn't scream sports car. That and it had 4 doors......and was an overpriced Toyota (base @ $62,645).
I'm fairly certain Lexus didn't design this car expecting to sell 1xx,xxx of them a year, nor did they target the pony car segment as where they wanted it to compete. It's a luxury sport sedan, meant to compete with the Audi S4, the M3 and the CTS-V - not Camaros and Mustangs. You're completely missing the point of this car.
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I'm fairly certain Lexus didn't design this car expecting to sell 1xx,xxx of them a year, nor did they target the pony car segment as where they wanted it to compete. It's a luxury sport sedan, meant to compete with the Audi S4, the M3 and the CTS-V - not Camaros and Mustangs. You're completely missing the point of this car.
Thank you. At least someone gets it.

And I would arguably say not the S4, but rather the S4/RS5.
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Some real confusion here.

First off...the Lexus IS-F is a RWD 5.0L V8. Please educate yourself at www.lexus.com

Something never took off? HAHA Lexus has not killed off the IS-F, the 2014 IS-F is the same model as the 2013 IS-F, because they are designing a turbo'd V6 to compete with the BMW M3 which is going twin turbo'd. As for a 5.0L ONLY putting out 416hp, wanna tell the Ford Mustang guys that? Also, 486 models, well, for the most part the IS-F is a order only car, so the people that purchased it, are those looking for it. Its a small market. Compare it to the M3 coupe.

Finally, overpriced? You're seriously confused on what it is. Its a LUXURY sports sedan. The materials used to build that car beat the living hell out of the materials used to build our camaros. Don't get me wrong, I really like my camaro, but you can't compare a Mass production car like the camaro's price point to a low production/high end sports sedan. Apples and Oranges.

I was | | this close to buying an IS-F but couldn't come up with the cash at 24. However, I've been pricing trading the camaro in for one since.
First off, go back and read the statement that I was quoting, I did re-educate myself. For some reason Lexus had it set up on an AWD dyno letting people run through the gears to see how smoothly it shifted while simulating a 1/4 mile pass, they even had a "tree" setup. It may have been just a "what was available" thing, but doesn't make much sense where the car is RWD.

I am perfectly straight as to what kind of car it is. I've looked at getting a GT-R, IS-F, M3, M6, C6Z and others. I haven't looked at that car in years, since its first production year to be exact and didn't remember it was RWD, it was pointed out to me that I was mistaken and I acknowledged that.

I consider 486 units a small market compared to 95% of the cars out there that aren't hand made. Just about every Lexus dealership in this area has 1 or 2 sitting around so I doubt they are special order only. There are just other cars out there that give you more for your $$$.

It is a 4 door Japanese "sports sedan". When you don't want 4 doors and you can get a hard top convertible for nearly the same price, yes, I consider it overpriced. Plus it's still a Toyota, which doesn't help its appeal as far as I'm concerned. I would much rather spend that money on an S5 and modify the hell out of it, but chose to go in a different direction based strictly on appearance and appeal. The power remark was based on the hp vs price. If a GT 500 only had 416 hp, they would never sell one.

Here is where I found out they were killing the car. If they are making a new version of it later, hopefully it will loose 2 doors and be called a Supra.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...-is-f/1972101/

Comparing the interior or options in a $40k car to a $60k car makes no sense. They shouldn't be and most likely wont be even remotely similar. When I looked at the IS-F, the interior was fine. Had everything I wanted, but I couldn't get past the 2 extra doors. I'm just glad GM put more thought into the interior of the Camaro than Dodge did the Challenger/Chargers.


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I'm fairly certain Lexus didn't design this car expecting to sell 1xx,xxx of them a year, nor did they target the pony car segment as where they wanted it to compete. It's a luxury sport sedan, meant to compete with the Audi S4, the M3 and the CTS-V - not Camaros and Mustangs. You're completely missing the point of this car.
I don't think the S4 was around when the IS-F came out, but I might be remembering that wrong too. Haven't looked at that one since it was released either. It was only available in a manual and I wasn't really wanting to go that route in a 4 door. I'm sure they were expecting to be closer to the GT-R in sales, and wanted to cut into the M3/5 sedans and MB S-class market share. When they sell less than 500 units, that isn't going to make a dent in either of the other two's sales. I don't think I missed the point of this car, it just wasn't for me and I dismissed it.

The OP was asking which would win a race in stock trim, not which one had more bells and whistles or softer seats. If it is a race to get people into the back seat, the IS-F would smoke the SS.
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