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Old 04-19-2013, 07:01 PM   #141
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I'll bet they STILL sell several thousand of them before the 6th gen gets here.
As they say on TV, "IF The Price is RIGHT!"...and/or they can source enough parts to meet demand.
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:24 PM   #142
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if its on the high side of 60, im buying a used GTR......
there are a lot of great options at this price point and those cars will probably make better track cars than the Z/28

Which is why I think GM has a very small window to fit this car in.

If they can make it 55k or less - they will sell a lot of them
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:45 PM   #143
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there are a lot of great options at this price point and those cars will probably make better track cars than the Z/28


If you really believe that you are going to be VERY VERY surprised when the Z/28 starts posting lap times.

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Old 04-20-2013, 12:00 AM   #144
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If you really believe that you are going to be VERY VERY surprised when the Z/28 starts posting lap times.
i will be surprised if it posts a lap time quicker than the ZR1 or Z06 - i don't see it though and both of those cars can be had in that price range used

ZL1 went 7.41 at the ring. The Z06 was almost 20 seconds faster.

Im not buying the Z/28 is that much faster than the ZL1. (20 seconds around the ring)

2008 911 Turbo 7.38
2009 GTR 7.26

4 cars that went faster than a ZL1 around the ring that can be had for 60k+ Z/28 money.

While the list is impressive for what the Z/28 is going after -i might be swayed to buy a used 911 Turbo over a new Z/28.

I can't wait to see times either but this is real world competition from a sales standpoint
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:03 AM   #145
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there are a lot of great options at this price point and those cars will probably make better track cars than the Z/28

Which is why I think GM has a very small window to fit this car in.

If they can make it 55k or less - they will sell a lot of them
I don't think it's so much that they will make better track cars so much as many of them will be legal for actual competition racing. That and that along is why GM has a small window to fit with this car. The Z/28 will more than likely not be sanctioned... Unless GM really wanted to try and go out if their way and get it sanctioned...
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:16 AM   #146
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I don't think it's so much that they will make better track cars so much as many of them will be legal for actual competition racing. That and that along is why GM has a small window to fit with this car. The Z/28 will more than likely not be sanctioned... Unless GM really wanted to try and go out if their way and get it sanctioned...
I believe they'll make a 6th gen Z/28. Will it be like this one? No. It'll be a lighter weight higher HP than SS though. My guess 450 HP. LT1?
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Old 04-20-2013, 08:54 AM   #147
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i will be surprised if it posts a lap time quicker than the ZR1 or Z06 - i don't see it though and both of those cars can be had in that price range used
Gosh, Boris, if you go to an Insurance Auction, you could get one for next to nothing!

Boris, pulling the Pre-Owned card is really pretty...well...YOU fill in the blank...

How about a CTS-V Wagon with track experience for only a $DOZEN?
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If they can make it 55k or less - they will sell a lot of them
...and MAYBE that's the problem...maybe they can't assemble an unlimited number...so they increased the content (and therefore price) to lower demand to a build-able number...

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...and MAYBE that's the problem...maybe they can't assemble an unlimited number...so they increased the content (and therefore price) to lower demand to a build-able number...

[light bulb moment]

if it hits their margin number why not?

Just a few years ago they were in bankruptcy - you would think selling units is in their best interest
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:20 AM   #150
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Gosh, Boris, if you go to an Insurance Auction, you could get one for next to nothing!

Boris, pulling the Pre-Owned card is really pretty...well...YOU fill in the blank...

How about a CTS-V Wagon with track experience for only a $DOZEN?


so someone in the market for a late model car with excellent track manners cannot look at used cars?

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Old 04-20-2013, 11:36 AM   #151
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so someone in the market for a late model car with excellent track manners cannot look at used cars?

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I think what he's trying to say is that when someone starts comparing something slightly used versus something new is like comparing apples to oranges. The old doesn't have the benefits of the new in regards to things like warranty, for example.
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...and MAYBE that's the problem...maybe they can't assemble an unlimited number...so they increased the content (and therefore price) to lower demand to a build-able number...

[light bulb moment]
Thats exactly it! With CAFE, you CANT make this a car that many can afford otherwise you MUST include it in your avg camaro fleet which in turn drops your avg mpgs down. Then, GM gets fined because they have to get above 35.5 with the 4 fleets they include? An LS7 as a production car will limit that number to probably 32 mpg. Unacceptable.

The car will NOT be easily affordable. Its pathetic but GM cant afford to fight against someone who bailed their asses out of bankruptcy. They should eat the fine and produce at a cost around a ZL-1. Theyd make enough profit to foot the fine and pocket money IF they increased the rest of their fleet to gain 2-4 mpgs amongst the rest of their fleet.

Heres what happens when you disobey CAFE. You must spend $55 per vehicle you produce from the company. In this case Chevrolet. The total number of vehicles producd by Chevy in say 2014, they must pay $55 per vehicle. Thats quite a large sum of money. Im pretty sure they could increase mpgs enough to build an SS with an LS7 and charge $42-43k for it and then option the track packs. Sadly they wont. But not many companies follow CAFE too strictly. Mercedes paid out the fine for not complying. GM COULD do it as well. One yr wouldnt kill them IMO.

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Old 04-20-2013, 12:29 PM   #153
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While the list is impressive for what the Z/28 is going after -i might be swayed to buy a used 911 Turbo over a new Z/28.
Then when you find out what it costs to maintain a 911 Turbo you will wish you had been smart and bought the Z/28.
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Then when you find out what it costs to maintain a 911 Turbo you will wish you had been smart and bought the Z/28.
Sorry but maintenance on that Z will be right there with the Porsche
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