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Old 04-25-2013, 08:34 AM   #276
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This is correct. It will be less than 1,000 units built. 398 less...

Try 602 Z/28 units built for 2014, if you understand the significance of that number. Same reasoning behind why GM built 69 units of the 2012 COPO Camaro.
Wait what? First of all, that 602 number refers to 1967, NOT 1969 which is the year they're using for EVERYTHING in relation to the 5th gen. Did they have the ZL-1 in '67? Lol GM already stated they'd sell as many as ordered. Therefore there is NO fixed production number.


1969 Z/28 production: 20,302! You really need to read more info. Ill help you out.


http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/...camaro-z28.htm
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like ive said, this car is in a class of its own. so you have to compare it to cars of the same purpose. track purpose cars...areil atom... hands down. 30k. light. track purpose and daily driver. best car. other than that...z06. still get radio, nav.... this is why gm will have a hard time selling this to anyone other than a true camaro enthusiast. there is no market for a 70k camaro that has no radio and is intended for the track. most people have dedicated track cars that are in this catagory. in a catagory close to this would be cars like the M3, S5, boss 302, gtr, z06. higher scale.... cayman R, mercedes black series, even the new viper... i know viper has had track cars in the past, but those are TRUE track cars with roll cages ready to race. this camaro is not that serious. but you could compare it to a viper of that caliber


people looking for a NEW track purpose 2nd or 3rd car, are few nad far between. anyone serious about track days has a car for that and isnt planning on spending 70K for it. people looking for a 2nd or 3rd car for a "toy" will more than likely be looking in the used car market. and in that field, you open up all other types of competition. for 70 or 80K like you said, id be looking for a panamera turbo so me and 3 of my friends can all enjoy the laps . but seriously, there will be alot of other used options for this purpose that will fulfill anyones track day urge and save them money. all a track day car needs to really be quick is the right set of wheels and tires, and brakes. obviously thats what they did with the camaro.
even a used PANAMERA TURBO 2010 will run ya 90-95k
however that car is AMAZING!!
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even a used PANAMERA TURBO 2010 will run ya 90-95k
however that car is AMAZING!!
Amazingly ugly!
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Old 04-26-2013, 11:52 AM   #280
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Amazingly ugly!
PANAMERA TURBO:
car owns the road... have you ever seen one in person??
love the camaro but it blows it away in WOW factor
respect any 4 door(4800 LBS) car that will hang neck and neck with ZR1 out of the hole to 60.


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amazingly ugly = GTR

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Old 04-26-2013, 12:16 PM   #281
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I'll respect it's capabilities. However that does not change for a minute that it looks like an ugly blob.
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:24 PM   #282
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I'll respect it's capabilities. However that does not change for a minute that it looks like an ugly blob.
I'm quite sure you'd be in the minority with that opinion. I've heard people say vettes are ugly doesn't mean its most opinions.
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I've owned a lot of Porsches. Can't imagine ever owning a Panamera. Sure it drives nice, but who wants a car you have to walk up to backwards to avoid looking at it? I don't know any of my other Porsche pals that own a Panny either, it is a unique demographic that owns them.
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Old 04-26-2013, 06:12 PM   #285
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I'm not believing a price over $55K for the Z and hoping for less. Remember, they're deleting a lot of the premium items in this car and it's NA. Compared to the ZL1, it's relatively low tech but has the go fast parts.
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I'm not believing a price over $55K for the Z and hoping for less. Remember, they're deleting a lot of the premium items in this car and it's NA. Compared to the ZL1, it's relatively low tech but has the go fast parts.
I hope you're right.
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They already said that it was to be the most expensive Camaro.
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They already said that it was to be the most expensive Camaro.
People seem to constantly forget that part
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They already said that it was to be the most expensive Camaro.
You got a link for that? I hadn't heard that, but if the Zl1 is $54xxx the Z could be $55xxx.
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People seem to constantly forget that part
...and they didn't say "Value Priced!" or another "Bargain Chevy" either.....
or "Slightly More than the ZL-1"...lol


..."Most Expensive Camaro Ever" stated by the manufacturer I think is a pretty ominous head's up....
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:27 PM   #292
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The base C7 is set at 52K, that would likely make the C7 Z51 package just under 60K,
other than the carbon brakes (does a 3200-lb car even need them?) the Z51 C7 has all the track goodies the Z-28 has.

My take; the Z-28 will be priced just under the Z51 vette
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Old 04-26-2013, 09:50 PM   #293
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A 1LT C7 w/ Z51 package = $53,800
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Old 04-26-2013, 10:15 PM   #294
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I've owned a lot of Porsches. Can't imagine ever owning a Panamera. Sure it drives nice, but who wants a car you have to walk up to backwards to avoid looking at it? I don't know any of my other Porsche pals that own a Panny either, it is a unique demographic that owns them.
Funny
I know 7 guys who own 911's that also own Panameras (they've had them out a out local cars&coffee events)
Their thoughts are the exact opposite of yours and they stated that they get more looks conversations with the panamera than they do with the 997 or 996 cars they own.
Too each his own I guess.

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Old 04-26-2013, 10:27 PM   #295
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A 1LT C7 w/ Z51 package = $53,800
Add the NPP exhaust and Recaro competition seats and the C7-Z51 is more like $58k with destination charge.

I think the Z/28 is going to cost more than the C7/Z51. It has custom shocks and rear window, custom rear seating, custom wiring harness, 11" wheels with tires that are almost twice the cost of the Michelins the Stingray comes with, and probably other custom things unique-to-the-Z/28 we're not aware of yet.

Based on the Stingray pricing they may be able to bring the Z/28 in at $59,800 which would be just incredible for what it is, but I'm still thinking $60,995 or $61,995. That's still an incredible deal for the kind of track monster the Z/28 is going to be.
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PANAMERA TURBO:
car owns the road... have you ever seen one in person??
love the camaro but it blows it away in WOW factor
respect any 4 door(4800 LBS) car that will hang neck and neck with ZR1 out of the hole to 60.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&g...uPDoTVigLOlYB4

amazingly ugly = GTR
Luv me some Panamera. I like my Z06 and 911 and don't care what others thoughts may be. I will say, I wasn't crazy about the Panny when it came out however the look has really grown on me. You're correct the car does" own the road" no matter what else is around. Just remember looks are very much subjective. The new Z28 will be hott!!
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Add the NPP exhaust and Recaro competition seats and the C7-Z51 is more like $58k with destination charge.

I think the Z/28 is going to cost more than the C7/Z51. It has custom shocks and rear window, custom rear seating, custom wiring harness, 11" wheels with tires that are almost twice the cost of the Michelins the Stingray comes with, and probably other custom things unique-to-the-Z/28 we're not aware of yet.

Based on the Stingray pricing they may be able to bring the Z/28 in at $59,800 which would be just incredible for what it is, but I'm still thinking $60,995 or $61,995. That's still an incredible deal for the kind of track monster the Z/28 is going to be.
I've thought all along it will be under $60K. After the pricing reveal of the C7 (all aluminum chassis) I'm thinking $56,900.
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Add the NPP exhaust and Recaro competition seats and the C7-Z51 is more like $58k with destination charge.

I think the Z/28 is going to cost more than the C7/Z51. It has custom shocks and rear window, custom rear seating, custom wiring harness, 11" wheels with tires that are almost twice the cost of the Michelins the Stingray comes with, and probably other custom things unique-to-the-Z/28 we're not aware of yet.

Based on the Stingray pricing they may be able to bring the Z/28 in at $59,800 which would be just incredible for what it is, but I'm still thinking $60,995 or $61,995. That's still an incredible deal for the kind of track monster the Z/28 is going to be.

I agree with all your points, did you allow for the the dry sump in your price prediction on the C7 Z51?

I believe this to be a significant cost / price adder, thus I allowed an extra $ 2,000 (once GM marks up actual cost by 50 to 100%) to come up with my $ 60,000 guess.
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Funny
I know 7 guys who own 911's that also own Panameras (they've had them out a out local cars&coffee events)
Their thoughts are the exact opposite of yours and they stated that they get more looks conversations with the panamera than they do with the 997 or 996 cars they own.
Too each his own I guess.
....exactly, to each his own. Funny thing is, when I drive my ZL1 through their neck of the woods <and it's a ritzy woods>, they follow me and get up along my side, or angle from behind...to check out my car.....LOL, ...and that goes for the big $$$ Jags, Bentley's, Porsche's, BMW's, MB's...too funny...., so much for the po boy's Chevy Camaro. If not for the status quo to keep up with the Jones' for the elite class, they would have one. I'm sure as heck not following them around. I'm a Camaro guy. I do appreciate all performance cars however. I just wanna go fast....and the ZL1 fits the bill...against all others. Pick your poison....but do oneself a favor. Don't buy something to one up the neighbor...because of the availability of expendable income. BTW the Panamara is a common ride around the "haves" with the bling bling grill emblems and I have been right up to one many times. I want to get a bucket of water and start throwing it on it and call the Marine Mammal Stranding Center. It looks like a beached whale.
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....exactly, to each his own. Funny thing is, when I drive my ZL1 through their neck of the woods <and it's a ritzy woods>, they follow me and get up along my side, or angle from behind...to check out my car.....LOL, ...and that goes for the big $$$ Jags, Bentley's, Porsche's, BMW's, MB's...too funny...., so much for the po boy's Chevy Camaro. If not for the status quo to keep up with the Jones' for the elite class, they would have one. I'm sure as heck not following them around. I'm a Camaro guy. I do appreciate all performance cars however. I just wanna go fast....and the ZL1 fits the bill...against all others. Pick your poison....but do oneself a favor. Don't buy something to one up the neighbor...because of the availability of expendable income. BTW the Panamara is a common ride around the "haves" with the bling bling grill emblems and I have been right up to one many times. I want to get a bucket of water and start throwing it on it and call the Marine Mammal Stranding Center. It looks like a beached whale.
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I think it's your imagination about them following you around. I mean lets be real they don't know a V6 camaro from a ZL1 nor do they care. Just like a v6 panamera may be common for 80k but the turbo and turbo s are pushing 200k. Never seen one in LA with bling out grilles or emblems EVER. Perhaps you're thinking Bentley GT
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