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Old 04-22-2013, 08:58 PM   #188
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I would ask of the experts, why then is there even more than one make/model of car that is tracked?...If all the prices and data are known, why isn't the best valued one, price and performance wise, the only car that's worth tracking/racing?....lol
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did you not read what i said? there is no car in this class! because theres no void to be filled! thats hwy i said it goes in other classes that it may compete with. and the ariel atom is 56K...and the z06, yeah id still take it over this camaro... it has a radio and lower ownership cost and will be way more fun to drive around a track than the heavy pig camaro. cayman r is priced similar to the estimated z28 price. this is probably the closest car in its category other than the boss 302, z06 and even the exotics.. so there you have it. no matter the price. all those cars are still in its league. this category isnt based on $ obviously. its based on capability.


when you think of track day cars, you have to compare cost of car to performance. there are plenty of other cars that will run close to this z28 and be thousands less. and thats something consumers have to weigh. should i buy a 70K camaro that runs X time? or 40K car that runs X seconds slower in the lap than the 70K camaro? because who cares what a professional racing driver lapped this car in..... if you cant do that same time, it dont mean $hit!
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:07 PM   #190
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did you not read what i said? there is no car in this class! because theres no void to be filled! thats hwy i said it goes in other classes that it may compete with. and the ariel atom is 56K...and the z06, yeah id still take it over this camaro... it has a radio and lower ownership cost and will be way more fun to drive around a track than the heavy pig camaro. cayman r is priced similar to the estimated z28 price. this is probably the closest car in its category other than the boss 302, z06 and even the exotics.. so there you have it. no matter the price. all those cars are still in its league. this category isnt based on $ obviously. its based on capability.


when you think of track day cars, you have to compare cost of car to performance. there are plenty of other cars that will run close to this z28 and be thousands less. and thats something consumers have to weigh. should i buy a 70K camaro that runs X time? or 40K car that runs X seconds slower in the lap than the 70K camaro? because who cares what a professional racing driver lapped this car in..... if you cant do that same time, it dont mean $hit!
im not following you.. first you say there are better cars for the cost, then you say its not about cost, then you say its about value compared to 40k cars? your all over the place lol.

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I would ask of the experts, why then is there even more than one make/model of car that is tracked?...If all the prices and data are known, why isn't the best valued one, price and performance wise, the only car that's worth tracking/racing?....lol
this is true, and i was just entertaining his thoughts.

if everything is just numbers, why do we see mustangs and challengers on the road?
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this is the same idea behind if gm brings out the Holden ute as the el camino..... gm will have this category on lock down. it will be the best god damn car/truck on the market! because the market doesn't exist for it.
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:11 PM   #192
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im not following you.. first you say there are better cars for the cost, then you say its not about cost, then you say its about value compared to 40k cars? your all over the place lol.



this is true, and i was just entertaining his thoughts.

if everything is just numbers, why do we see mustangs and challengers on the road?
there are better performers for the money. not all new, but slightly used. and the category this car will be in is obviously a higher category because theres not alot of lower level performers that make a car like this, most are high end. and comparing value for value, yeah like i said theres better value for your money.


all these numbers are compared ot the ZL1 running the ring. id like to see 1 camaro owner who had their ZL1 running the ring as quickly as GM got it...... ill bet theres not a single guy on here who is running the times GM got out of the car.
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:18 PM   #193
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ill bet theres not a single guy on here who is running the times GM got out of the car.
Wouldn't the same be true of every other car that is tested by it's manufacturer?
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yup. my point is, everyone is saying its 3 seconds quicker than the zl1......ok...well, average joe, show me!
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Wouldn't the same be true of every other car that is tested by it's manufacturer?
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:39 PM   #196
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if everything is just numbers, why do we see mustangs and challengers on the road?
I think this was VolksWagen's overall strategy back in the day...lol...
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:04 PM   #197
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like ive said, this car is in a class of its own. so you have to compare it to cars of the same purpose. track purpose cars...areil atom... hands down. 30k. light. track purpose and daily driver. best car. other than that...z06. still get radio, nav.... this is why gm will have a hard time selling this to anyone other than a true camaro enthusiast. there is no market for a 70k camaro that has no radio and is intended for the track. most people have dedicated track cars that are in this catagory. in a catagory close to this would be cars like the M3, S5, boss 302, gtr, z06. higher scale.... cayman R, mercedes black series, even the new viper... i know viper has had track cars in the past, but those are TRUE track cars with roll cages ready to race. this camaro is not that serious. but you could compare it to a viper of that caliber


people looking for a NEW track purpose 2nd or 3rd car, are few nad far between. anyone serious about track days has a car for that and isnt planning on spending 70K for it. people looking for a 2nd or 3rd car for a "toy" will more than likely be looking in the used car market. and in that field, you open up all other types of competition. for 70 or 80K like you said, id be looking for a panamera turbo so me and 3 of my friends can all enjoy the laps . but seriously, there will be alot of other used options for this purpose that will fulfill anyones track day urge and save them money. all a track day car needs to really be quick is the right set of wheels and tires, and brakes. obviously thats what they did with the camaro.
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did you not read what i said? there is no car in this class! because theres no void to be filled! thats hwy i said it goes in other classes that it may compete with. and the ariel atom is 56K...and the z06, yeah id still take it over this camaro... it has a radio and lower ownership cost and will be way more fun to drive around a track than the heavy pig camaro. cayman r is priced similar to the estimated z28 price. this is probably the closest car in its category other than the boss 302, z06 and even the exotics.. so there you have it. no matter the price. all those cars are still in its league. this category isnt based on $ obviously. its based on capability.


when you think of track day cars, you have to compare cost of car to performance. there are plenty of other cars that will run close to this z28 and be thousands less. and thats something consumers have to weigh. should i buy a 70K camaro that runs X time? or 40K car that runs X seconds slower in the lap than the 70K camaro? because who cares what a professional racing driver lapped this car in..... if you cant do that same time, it dont mean $hit!
Which one is it?
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yup. my point is, everyone is saying its 3 seconds quicker than the zl1......ok...well, average joe, show me!
GM announced that when they introduced the car at the NYIAS. It's been reported by every auto rag, blog, whatever in the country, you didn't know this?

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there are better performers for the money. not all new, but slightly used. and the category this car will be in is obviously a higher category because theres not alot of lower level performers that make a car like this, most are high end. and comparing value for value, yeah like i said theres better value for your money.


all these numbers are compared ot the ZL1 running the ring. id like to see 1 camaro owner who had their ZL1 running the ring as quickly as GM got it...... ill bet theres not a single guy on here who is running the times GM got out of the car.
What should that matter? It's the pro's that are doing it and it's just a reference point. It's to show what a car is capable of, d'uh you know that. You're just changing the point because you clearly haven't given him a logical answer to his question(s).
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It probably will be $69k.....after dealers add on the extra $10k for BS markup.
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its going to be high, a ZL1 is mid $50ks almost everywhere... this is an even more exclusive Camaro, with a ton of R&D that you are going to be the one paying for, that has a hand built engine, etc... just a crate LS7 is almost $15k, that option alone on a stand SS would have it at almost $50k... I'm saying around $70k starting out
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This! Which equates to a VERY expensive toy. As I said before. Rarity and nastalgia. Thats what youre paying for UNLESS you're purely a camaro enthusiast. Then youre getting a REAL Z/28 Forget the high end parts ect. Im sure no more than 5% of those sold will ever see the track. Drag strip? Probably more so.

There's a sucker born every minute. Ill wait for him to buy it then sell it to me for a cheaper used price that's much more accommodating.
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It probably will be $69k.....after dealers add on the extra $10k for BS markup.
1969 Z/28 $69k hmmmm you might be on to something Jonesy! Lol
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