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Old 04-15-2013, 07:57 AM   #76
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Reality Check!!!...This is the first new model I've ever heard the manufacturer try to "discourage" buyers....(and justifiably so) "If you're not a hard-core racer, or don't intend to track it 'a lot' this is NOT your car"...."It's street legal, but not meant for the street..."

...If you can afford 2K for tires every 3-4K miles, then you shouldn't even care what the price will be...

I'm sticking with my 100K prediction...If you have to ask what this one costs, you can't afford it...
I'm getting one for the stable no matter the cost
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My opinion is that the Z/28 will be limited production because of the CAFE numbers and I had heard that there was some sort of penalty on the Z06.
Pricing will have to be determined based on the projected number sold against the cost to produce and also the research and development costs. If there has been 4 million put into development, that will have to be divided into projected sales for however many years it will be produced. This cost willbe tacked on to every car before any are ever started down the production line.
GM should take the penalty and produce 1 million of these at $50k
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correct me if im wrong but when the z28's came out back in the days of the first and 4th gens you get get all the options you wanted. Though correct is saying those with a deep pocket but thats what the corvettes are for, those with deep pockets. The lower income guys want a fun quick car and they usually go for a camaro.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:28 AM   #79
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Lol you guys crack me up...If the car has no radio then there would be no seat belt, headlight, warning chimes.....It HAS a radio with one speaker.......

BTW do me a favor go buy a new SS built it to the same specs has the Z/28. You can't...

They did a test with a 1LE and a GT with the track pak. The GT lost by 1 sec.

This car is meant to race period end of story. Why can't people understand this. GM built this car knowing that it's not meant for everyone.

The funny part is most of the people that are bitching probably wouldn't like it to begin with. This car is raw no sound deading very rough ride. This is not somthing most people would use has a every day car.

And if you believe that the price is in the 60k range. I have a wonderful bridge to sell you...
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:30 AM   #80
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correct me if im wrong but when the z28's came out back in the days of the first and 4th gens you get get all the options you wanted. Though correct is saying those with a deep pocket but thats what the corvettes are for, those with deep pockets. The lower income guys want a fun quick car and they usually go for a camaro.
The first Z/28 was made for the trans am race. Not really many options
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:37 AM   #81
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and this thread has turned into people wanting to buy a badge, not a car. Same as the others.

Some people just don't get it.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:39 AM   #82
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Becky, or anyone who can answer this. Have they announced how many they intend to build? If it is very low volume, it seems all this discussion about MSRP may be moot to the average Joe.
read in a mag stating that GM will sell as many as they can..
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:41 AM   #83
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"We have also done some things that you should do with a Z/28 track car. We have taken the air conditioning out of it. You have to order that special. It does not come with air conditioning standard and it does not come with an audio system standard.

We’ve got one speaker in the car and the only reason that we have one speaker in the car is because you need a speaker to have the seat belt chime audible to the driver. You can option up, if you desire, the air conditioning and a base radio system. "

To me, that says no radio unless you order it. Maybe I'm crazy or can't read but that is exactly what he said.
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correct me if im wrong but when the z28's came out back in the days of the first and 4th gens you get get all the options you wanted. Though correct is saying those with a deep pocket but thats what the corvettes are for, those with deep pockets. The lower income guys want a fun quick car and they usually go for a camaro.
Not exactly true, sorry. Originally the Z/28 was a "secret" option. In that the only way you could get it was if you unchecked the "air conditioning" box and checked the box that gave you a gearing upgrade. At which point you were automatically given the stripe package (which you could opt out of if you so choose), along with a few performance upgrades (axles, heads, etc.).

Fun fact about the 1969 Z/28 though - 3.07 gearing was an option (but had to be specially requested)
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correct me if im wrong but when the z28's came out back in the days of the first and 4th gens you get get all the options you wanted. Though correct is saying those with a deep pocket but thats what the corvettes are for, those with deep pockets. The lower income guys want a fun quick car and they usually go for a camaro.
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The first Z/28 was made for the trans am race. Not really many options
On a 1Gen Z/28 you could order any option, but AC or an automatic. It also could not be had as a convertible. However 1 Z/28 convertible a 1968 I believe was built in house for a division manager.
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...or how allocations will be divvied up...

...or whether it'll even be offered for sale in Canada...

The SS Sedan, which will sell in far greater numbers, is NOT going to Canada...
It will be for sale in Canada. 2007 Corvette Ron Fellows edition 399 made were avail. in Canada, I have one and will have a Z/28
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No one said anything about the 4th Gen z28?
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:40 AM   #88
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A MSRP of $ 69,000.00 probably is realistic. That is a lower price than 2013 Z06 corvette.
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Old 04-15-2013, 12:03 PM   #89
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I doubt that anyone knows exactly how much the Z/28's MSRP will be at this point because it's very unlikely that exact pricing has been determined by GM yet. Therefore, if anyone states that they know what the Z/28 MSRP will be, they are likely simply guessing or parroting a guess that someone else has suggested.
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Lol you guys crack me up...If the car has no radio then there would be no seat belt, headlight, warning chimes.....It HAS a radio with one speaker.......

BTW do me a favor go buy a new SS built it to the same specs has the Z/28. You can't...

They did a test with a 1LE and a GT with the track pak. The GT lost by 1 sec.

This car is meant to race period end of story. Why can't people understand this. GM built this car knowing that it's not meant for everyone.

The funny part is most of the people that are bitching probably wouldn't like it to begin with. This car is raw no sound deading very rough ride. This is not somthing most people would use has a every day car.

And if you believe that the price is in the 60k range. I have a wonderful bridge to sell you...
Raw to what? A ZL-1? Those 2 cars shouldn't be put in the same category. They're worlds apart. But I'll be honest, for the amount of money they'll prolly charge for the car? You're just buy a badge. Sure! You'll get your racing gear in the car, but weighing 300lbs LESS than a ZL-1 is not exactly something to brag about much less being EQUAL in weight to an SS. With all the weight reduction they were trying shed, they didn't shed much at all. If this car goes close to 6 figures, you could buy a euro that has plenty luxury to that can compete with it plus it wouldn't have carbon brakes. That's something to look at! Take an SS, add in an LS7, and a track pack and see where it stands against this Z/28.

My question is what's the regulations with CAFE standards on an option for a car? Shouldn't that be considered a loop hole? Include the LS7 as an option on the SS. You'd use the 6.2L for The fleet. You wouldn't have to include the LS7 in the fleet avg because it'd be a "special order option." Why doesn't GM foot the bill with the hit they'd take with CAFE and pay it. They'd make their money back with the optioned car.

Take an alpha based SS, strip it, put in an LS7 and let it go. Have another option to include a track pack and price them at $45k and $50k. They should weigh from 3200-3350lbs. No more than that. Then you'd have something.
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and this thread has turned into people wanting to buy a badge, not a car. Same as the others.

Some people just don't get it.
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Lol you guys crack me up...If the car has no radio then there would be no seat belt, headlight, warning chimes.....It HAS a radio with one speaker.......

BTW do me a favor go buy a new SS built it to the same specs has the Z/28. You can't...

They did a test with a 1LE and a GT with the track pak. The GT lost by 1 sec.

This car is meant to race period end of story. Why can't people understand this. GM built this car knowing that it's not meant for everyone.

The funny part is most of the people that are bitching probably wouldn't like it to begin with. This car is raw no sound deading very rough ride. This is not somthing most people would use has a every day car.

And if you believe that the price is in the 60k range. I have a wonderful bridge to sell you...
There is only one problem I foresee with that statement... Competitive Racing is completely different from a Weekend Track Day. I do not see the Z/28 getting sanctioned for racing, certainly not in a class where the Boss 302 would be competition. The Z/28 is not a Boss 302 LS Competitor, Ford does not have an answer for the Z/28...
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And if you believe that the price is in the 60k range. I have a wonderful bridge to sell you...
I completely agree, Jeremy. I can't wait to see all the people cry when the price is announced! Then you'll see the same folks complaining that they can't buy most of the parts over the counter without a verifiable VIN!!
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Raw to what? A ZL-1? Those 2 cars shouldn't be put in the same category. They're worlds apart. But I'll be honest, for the amount of money they'll prolly charge for the car? You're just buy a badge. Sure! You'll get your racing gear in the car, but weighing 300lbs LESS than a ZL-1 is not exactly something to brag about much less being EQUAL in weight to an SS. With all the weight reduction they were trying shed, they didn't shed much at all. If this car goes close to 6 figures, you could buy a euro that has plenty luxury to that can compete with it plus it wouldn't have carbon brakes. That's something to look at! Take an SS, add in an LS7, and a track pack and see where it stands against this Z/28.

My question is what's the regulations with CAFE standards on an option for a car? Shouldn't that be considered a loop hole? Include the LS7 as an option on the SS. You'd use the 6.2L for The fleet. You wouldn't have to include the LS7 in the fleet avg because it'd be a "special order option." Why doesn't GM foot the bill with the hit they'd take with CAFE and pay it. They'd make their money back with the optioned car.

Take an alpha based SS, strip it, put in an LS7 and let it go. Have another option to include a track pack and price them at $45k and $50k. They should weigh from 3200-3350lbs. No more than that. Then you'd have something.
I think ur off track. The ss wants what the z/28 already have. I rather wait on the z/28 . The z/28 is big dog status, no protender. You can't just hide behind a badge . The z/28 will be a contender
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I think ur off track. The ss wants what the z/28 already have. I rather wait on the z/28 . The z/28 is big dog status, no protender. You can't just hide behind a badge . The z/28 will be a contender
Contender to what tho? To euro cars that have been tracking? It's big dog for an American muscle car to enter the super car world. I understand what the Z is. That's fine they want to charge the amount that will gouge the eyes and charge some both their arms and legs. It's a racing track car. Why doesn't GM listen to the average guys and build what WE want? Which is a stripped out, high performance street brawler for $45-$50k that is factory produced to obliterate the competion between the opponents with a NA LS7. Most of the guys on this board wanted an LS7 camaro. Not the Z/28 track master. Big difference.
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Me and you are in 2 different levels brother . You've got me twisted with the circle guys . I'm straight lined. Research!! My post
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Me and you are in 2 different levels brother . You've got me twisted with the circle guys . I'm straight lined. Research!! My post
Sorry bro, that's what I basically am getting at. A straight line racer to beat out ford and dodge. And To those that want to open their mouth, NO! Not a COPO! A street legal brawler.

And if ppl question why straight lined? The rush of adrenaline accelerating up to the finish line. Track is a skilled hair raising time as well. It's just a preference and GM gave circle trackers their wish. Now give us ours. Lightweight, NA high performance engine ,stripped bone dry with only necessities.
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1LE, ZL1, Z/28. Purpose built cars.....purpose? Stand on it and push the envelope as far as common sense will allow. 1LE is pretty stiff, Z/28 will be very stiff, and ZL1 can be just as smooth and comfy as Grandma's Oldsmobile when in tour mode, or, a raped ape on rails in PTM sport modes. Pick your poison for what suits your needs <and wallet>. I just have the need.....for speed.......
BTW Z/28 will fall in line accordingly and not be priced to the moon as some would have you believe. 2013 dollars, 1LE 40K, ZL1 55K, 2014 Z/28?? 60-65K tops. But scarce to get for'14, slightly better <less scarce> for '15. Price won't be the issue, just the build numbers.
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