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Old 04-16-2013, 11:23 PM   #26
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My take

1SS 1LE - 35,000

I am thinking the cost to make the LS7 is about 7000 and the LS3 3500
So add 3500

Brakes - removal of stock brake system 1500. Add Carbon - 6000
So 4500 extra

Seats, glass, other tweaks - 2000.

I am seeing a 10k cost. Who knows what the margin is on these cars - I will say 30% so $13,000.

Labor and factory Overhead should be no different than any other Camaro.

$48,000!!!

Im sure all the nickel and dime stuff will push this over 50k MSRP and don't forget the gas guzzler tax.

They say it is more expensive than the ZL1 but outside of the brakes I don't see it. Maybe in the R&D but I am pretty sure the ZL1 was flogged pretty heavily too.

I will stick with my 48-50k just because everyone is shooting for 60+
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GM publically announced that the 2014 Z/28 is going to be the most expensive Camaro ever offered.

So with that in mind, leaving the 2013 COPO base model at $86,000 out of this to appease most here...

I just went over to Chevy.com and here is the current most expensive Camaro offered, the 2013 ZL1 Vert.

Look below, see where is says Total MSRP $69,565 ???

Now Z/28 fans, start from above this number as GM has made it clear that the Z/28 is going to be even more.

What part of "most expensive Camaro ever offered" don't ya get ??? LOL !!!
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GM publically announced that the 2014 Z/28 is going to be the most expensive Camaro ever offered.

So with that in mind, leaving the 2013 COPO base model at $86,000 out of this to appease most here...

I just went over to Chevy.com and here is the current most expensive Camaro offered, the 2013 ZL1 Vert.

Look below, see where is says Total MSRP $69,565 ???

Now Z/28 fans, start from above this number as GM has made it clear that the Z/28 is going to be even more.

What part of "most expensive Camaro ever offered" don't ya get ??? LOL !!!
I think they (GM) meant the most expensive Camaro Coupe in production let's compare apples to apples, shall we
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What they said? What they meant? I think they said what they meant... LOL !!!

Semantics, eh ? GLWT...
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COPO is north of 90k

and i dont see them selling too many Z/28s at 90k+


i just dont see it being more than a ZL1
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COPO is north of 90k

and i dont see them selling too many Z/28s at 90k+
Correct. And selling too many is not the game plan. The plan is a low volume "Halo" car to establish the Camaro brand deeper into Americana.

This thread plays right into that plan. Go Bowtie !!!
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COPO is north of 90k

and i dont see them selling too many Z/28s at 90k+


i just dont see it being more than a ZL1
COPO is NOT a legal street car, should not be even considered in the equation.
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People want the Z/28 badge. GM does it and does it right. People are upset they did it so right that it's going to cost more money.

If you just want a Z28 badge, go buy one.

I don't know anyone's background on here, but I can promise you this. With the modifications needed alone for an LS7, the carbon ceramic brakes, the many parts not used on the SS, 1LE, LT, LS, or even ZL1 models, it's going to introduce more cost into the vehicle.

GM plainly tells you this is a track-day car that is NOT for everyone and now everyone is upset that their Camaro won't have a stock stereo, A/C, etc and cost too much because GM made it the car the Z/28 badge deserves.

$60K+ for the Z/28 and you won't see many of them, because it's not a car for everyone, but you know everyone will be smiling when they do get to see one. Or when we read about how it's whooping ass in whatever class of racing they put it into.
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People want the Z/28 badge. GM does it and does it right. People are upset they did it so right that it's going to cost more money.

If you just want a Z28 badge, go buy one.

I don't know anyone's background on here, but I can promise you this. With the modifications needed alone for an LS7, the carbon ceramic brakes, the many parts not used on the SS, 1LE, LT, LS, or even ZL1 models, it's going to introduce more cost into the vehicle.

GM plainly tells you this is a track-day car that is NOT for everyone and now everyone is upset that their Camaro won't have a stock stereo, A/C, etc and cost too much because GM made it the car the Z/28 badge deserves.

$60K+ for the Z/28 and you won't see many of them, because it's not a car for everyone, but you know everyone will be smiling when they do get to see one. Or when we read about how it's whooping ass in whatever class of racing they put it into.
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COPO is north of 90k

and i dont see them selling too many Z/28s at 90k+


i just dont see it being more than a ZL1
Except they said it would cost more than the ZL1.
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As a consumer, I'd like the car to be priced "as reasonably as possible". As a Corporation, GM will price it "suitably", respecting development costs added to parts and production costs vs. planned volume vs. expected demand (considering a likely 16-month-or-so build cycle).

All this chatter of $70-80-90+K pricing simply is speculative...and unfortunately could be "encouraging" to a higher-than-necessary final figure.

The car will "simply" cost what it costs, to purchase. The final decision on that Base figure is GM's decision...and theirs alone. Let's not "encourage" a price that is unrealistic, in either direction, but particularly one that is too high...
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As a consumer, I'd like the car to be priced "as reasonably as possible". As a Corporation, GM will price it "suitably", respecting development costs added to parts and production costs vs. planned volume vs. expected demand (considering a likely 16-month-or-so build cycle).

All this chatter of $70-80-90+K pricing simply is speculative...and unfortunately could be "encouraging" to a higher-than-necessary final figure.

The car will "simply" cost what it costs, to purchase. The final decision on that Base figure is GM's decision...and theirs alone. Let's not "encourage" a price that is unrealistic, in either direction, but particularly one that is too high...
Agreed. I mean they can sell you a Camaro for 23,345 (on their website) and make a profit. They sell the most of these V6 cars. GM won't tell you what their business plan is and they shouldn't. But my take was that the Camaro was the car for the working man and the Corvette was for his boss. If this car starts pushing 60k you might start stepping on the working man's toes. Granted it is a track beast - but they made it a street car for a reason. The fact that they kept it a street car tells me they want to sell this car and sell as many as they can. To me the price needs to be under 60k (especially with dealers going to mark this up atleast another 10k).

If they just wanted a track beast then they should have went the COPO route - no VIN track only and limited production run
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As a consumer, I'd like the car to be priced "as reasonably as possible". As a Corporation, GM will price it "suitably", respecting development costs added to parts and production costs vs. planned volume vs. expected demand (considering a likely 16-month-or-so build cycle).

All this chatter of $70-80-90+K pricing simply is speculative...and unfortunately could be "encouraging" to a higher-than-necessary final figure.

The car will "simply" cost what it costs, to purchase. The final decision on that Base figure is GM's decision...and theirs alone. Let's not "encourage" a price that is unrealistic, in either direction, but particularly one that is too high...
This is my concern as well. Chevy is and always has been a HIGH-VALUE product or Big Bang for the Buck offering. I don't see that changing.

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Agreed. I mean they can sell you a Camaro for 23,345 (on their website) and make a profit. They sell the most of these V6 cars. GM won't tell you what their business plan is and they shouldn't. But my take was that the Camaro was the car for the working man and the Corvette was for his boss. If this car starts pushing 60k you might start stepping on the working man's toes. Granted it is a track beast - but they made it a street car for a reason. The fact that they kept it a street car tells me they want to sell this car and sell as many as they can. To me the price needs to be under 60k (especially with dealers going to mark this up atleast another 10k).
Yes, they have stated they will sell as many as we want. That should be shown to and discussed with EVERY dealership. And I still say UNDER $60K.
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Why all the drama over price?? The car will be between $60-$65K...more than that, or into the $70's even and this car will NOT sell, except for a VERY limited few! GM is in the business of making money, even at a limited production model, this car needs to sell almost as good as the ZL1.
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I can't see it under $60k if its MORE than a ZL-1. MSRP: $62-$65k. Out the door, $70k.

The camaro WAS a working mans car. It is for a v6-1LE. Now they're making models that fit every mans desire.
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I can't see it under $60k if its MORE than a ZL-1. MSRP: $62-$65k. Out the door, $70k.

The camaro WAS a working mans car. It is for a v6-1LE. Now they're making models that fit every mans desire.
at 70k id rather have a used ZR1
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at 70k id rather have a used ZR1
Nah, I prefer camaro to Vette (muscle car to sports car). That's just me tho.
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I updated the OP and come up with over $70K
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I updated the OP and come up with over $70K
Now how much to add for the spool-valve dampers?
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I think the seats are a little high for the Recaros. The mustangs are a $1500 upgrade, so ours should be similar.
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First - looking at chevy.com and building a Z06 with the Z07 package (carbon ceramic brakes) the price comes in at $7500.

I cannot imagine the Z/28 being more than this.


expanding on this spread sheet here is some data VIR lap times compared to price.

$112,000 ZR1 - 2.45.63
$88,585 Z06/Z07 - 2.53.50
$64,515 - CTS-V - 3.04.20
$57,885 Grand Sport - 2.58.80
$56,500 - ZL1 - 2.52.38
$36,035 - 1LE - 2.58.34

*VIR times are either lightning lap times or GM videos
**prices are from Chevy.com or Cadillac.com

Tried doing all these cars for Nurburgring but only came up with 4 times
ZR1 - 7.19.63
Z07 - 7.22.68
ZL1 - 7.41.21
CTSV - 7.59.32

SS was 8.19.xx but no 1LE time could be found

I still think Chevy can do this for high 40s low 50s but the price will probably be closer to 60.

Unless given direct goals from the top - it might be hard to place a price on this car.

I have also heard other car manufacturers say one thing and the release with something else - i won't believe the "more than zl1' until i see a release from GM then again the big Corvettes are going away probably until 2015/16 so the ZL1 and Z/28 might get a chance to flex their muscles. That is unless the Stingray is every bit the track car the Z/28 is and retails for 55k

Tough decisions by GM imo
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Somethings to add to the spreadsheet...

How much extra for the secondary liquid-to-liquid cooling system for the transmission and differential ? I'll throw $1,500 out there over and above the ZL1's air-to-liquid setup.

How much extra for the stainless hydroformed tri-y exhaust headers ? I'd venture $1,500 more than the ZL1's cast iron (maybe they are stainless?) exhaust manifolds.

There's another $3,000... LOL !!!
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I think you've just made the Z/28 a $200,000. car. You must work in government purchasing.
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So you guys thinks that's funny, eh? Well some might think you are hiding behind the Internet, without the balls to say something this insulting man to man...

...but me, nah... I don't work for government purchasing.

I sell to government purchasing and make a shit ton of money doing it.
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