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Old 04-16-2013, 08:05 PM   #15
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yea and if you look there are alot of used ZL1's for sale. over priced and the Z/28 will be to. Want to sell cars don't over price.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:09 PM   #16
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I never said that is what they would sell for, but GMs cost on them is probably around there.

A new LS3 goes for $7k easy if you are talking a brand new long block.
Right. But you were using the "new" prices when saying how much they would offset the cost of buying an LS7 and the carbon ceramic rotors. So that's like saying I'll sell my SS, buy a ZL1, and I'll only be out like $18,00.

Was just pointing out the flaw in your budgeting.
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GM offically said the Z/28 will be the most expensive Camaro, so for sake of arguement let's start at a MSRP of $60,000 for a high end ZL1.

Now add $17,000 MSRP for the LS7 engine and subtract $11,000 MSRP for the LSA engine. That's a bump of $6,000. Now I'm at $66,000

And add another $1,000 MSRP for the dry sump equipment that is external to the LS7 and engineered into the Zeta Chassis. Now I'm at $67,000.

Add another $7,500 MSRP for the track suspension and brake systems and I'm up to $74,500.

Wheels? How about $1,000 more? And tires? How about adding $2,000 for the Trofeos? Now I've got $77,500.

Aero body parts... Plus $1,000. Extra capacity cooling equipment, plus $1,000. And now at $79,500

And lastly, for the badge that makes Steve, Steve.... Plus $10,000

I come up with $89,500 with the Steve badge premium.... LOL !!!

Destination, plus $1,000

Stealership markup, plus $15,000

Sales Tax, plus $9,000

Out the door... $114,500... Oh, wait a minute, you wanted Air Conditioning on this track beast too ?!?!? How about some dealer applied special paint sealant too ???? hmmm...
So GM will be selling a stripped Camaro frame for $60k? Get real. The Z/28 will be around $65k plus taxes and fees.
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Old 04-16-2013, 09:49 PM   #18
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So GM will be selling a stripped Camaro frame for $60k? Get real. The Z/28 will be around $65k plus taxes and fees.
So the stripped COPO Camaro was just offered by GM at $55K. No engine, no transmission. I say you get real... LOL !!!

Z/28 is not stripped, so add in the LS7 and it comes with a transmission too. Z/28 also has a $10K suspension and braking system. I'll credit you $2.5K to pull out the ZL1 MRS and end up with an MSRP bump of $7.5K for the Z/28.

Have you priced Trofeo R tires? $65K is just $5K above the MSRP for a fully loaded ZL1. All the track parts on the Z/28 are going to be way more than $5K.
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So the stripped COPO Camaro was just offered by GM at $55K. No engine, no transmission. I say you get real... LOL !!!

Z/28 is not stripped, so add in the LS7 and it comes with a transmission too. Z/28 also has a $10K suspension and braking system. I'll credit you $2.5K to pull out the ZL1 MRS and end up with an MSRP bump of $7.5K for the Z/28.

Have you priced Trofeo R tires? $65K is just $5K above the MSRP for a fully loaded ZL1. All the track parts on the Z/28 are going to be way more than $5K.
The COPO is not a production Camaro.

You don't add the price of the Z/28 components on top of a fully loaded ZL1. You can subtract the costs of the ZL1 components that aren't used and add in the costs of the Z/28 components but even then, we don't know what GMs cost is per part.

Still, I would be shocked to see the Z/28 MSRP be much higher than $65-70k.
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I'm going to speculate that GM has a significantly different formula than the diverse variety shown here. This is, to say the least, very entertaining.
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I did that in my original post.

LS7 is $17K MSRP. LSA is $11K MSRP. I added the $6K diff..

I just did the same on the suspension and brakes, giving $2.5K "credit" for the removed ZL1 parts and only bumping the Z/28 the $7.5K diff.

You will be shocked when the MSRP comes out. Or I'll owe you a beer - LOL !!!
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I'm going to speculate that GM has a significantly different formula than the diverse variety shown here. This is, to say the least, very entertaining.
Definately entertaining. Fun too...
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Definately entertaining. Fun too...
I'd add at least 1k per test-track video that gets released prior to pricing...lol...

I, too think it will be pricey...If the same logic was used with the ZL1 compared to the SS by those hoping for an inexpensive Z/28, they would have the ZL1 priced at 45k...

Trading this for that at over-the counter prices I don't think really works...

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I did that in my original post.

LS7 is $17K MSRP. LSA is $11K MSRP. I added the $6K diff..

I just did the same on the suspension and brakes, giving $2.5K "credit" for the removed ZL1 parts and only bumping the Z/28 the $7.5K diff.

You will be shocked when the MSRP comes out. Or I'll owe you a beer - LOL !!!
If the Z/28 tops $100k, I'll buy you a six pack.
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If the Z/28 tops $100k, I'll buy you a six pack.
You're on for a six pack !!!

But that's over $100K out the door with the stealership ripoff markups, taxes, tags, destination, etc...

We won't count any auctioned Z/28s at Barrett-Jackson just to keep you in the game - LOL !!!
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My take

1SS 1LE - 35,000

I am thinking the cost to make the LS7 is about 7000 and the LS3 3500
So add 3500

Brakes - removal of stock brake system 1500. Add Carbon - 6000
So 4500 extra

Seats, glass, other tweaks - 2000.

I am seeing a 10k cost. Who knows what the margin is on these cars - I will say 30% so $13,000.

Labor and factory Overhead should be no different than any other Camaro.

$48,000!!!

Im sure all the nickel and dime stuff will push this over 50k MSRP and don't forget the gas guzzler tax.

They say it is more expensive than the ZL1 but outside of the brakes I don't see it. Maybe in the R&D but I am pretty sure the ZL1 was flogged pretty heavily too.

I will stick with my 48-50k just because everyone is shooting for 60+
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GM publically announced that the 2014 Z/28 is going to be the most expensive Camaro ever offered.

So with that in mind, leaving the 2013 COPO base model at $86,000 out of this to appease most here...

I just went over to Chevy.com and here is the current most expensive Camaro offered, the 2013 ZL1 Vert.

Look below, see where is says Total MSRP $69,565 ???

Now Z/28 fans, start from above this number as GM has made it clear that the Z/28 is going to be even more.

What part of "most expensive Camaro ever offered" don't ya get ??? LOL !!!
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GM publically announced that the 2014 Z/28 is going to be the most expensive Camaro ever offered.

So with that in mind, leaving the 2013 COPO base model at $86,000 out of this to appease most here...

I just went over to Chevy.com and here is the current most expensive Camaro offered, the 2013 ZL1 Vert.

Look below, see where is says Total MSRP $69,565 ???

Now Z/28 fans, start from above this number as GM has made it clear that the Z/28 is going to be even more.

What part of "most expensive Camaro ever offered" don't ya get ??? LOL !!!
I think they (GM) meant the most expensive Camaro Coupe in production let's compare apples to apples, shall we
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