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Old 04-21-2013, 11:32 AM   #76
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You can't use the most optioned ZL-1 as a starting point. Everyone knows you don't compare things like this. What they're stating is it'll be more expensive than the MSRP of $54,995 base priced ZL-1. $60-64,995 for the Z/28. Out the door, $70k

It's a Chevrolet. Not a corvette, not a Cadillac not Mercedes or Porsche or BMW. Chevrolet equates to value. $70-80k as MSRP is utterly ridiculous.
The current most expensive Camaro costs $69,565. That's right now, today. How can the Z/28 be both the most expensive Camaro EVER, and at the same time be less than the most optioned ZL-1 ? That would make the ZL-1 Vert the "MOST EXPENSIVE CAMARO EVER" and would mean that GM is just blowing smoke when they publicly say otherwise?

So even though GM states that the Z/28 will be the most expensive Camaro ever, you're saying that the Z/28 is going to be $5 to $10K less than the currently most expensive Camaro?

Lots of wishful pricing logic and daydreaming going on around here. Good luck to all that are truely going to attempt to get one.
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You can't use the most optioned ZL-1 as a starting point. Everyone knows you don't compare things like this. What they're stating is it'll be more expensive than the MSRP of $54,995 base priced ZL-1. $60-64,995 for the Z/28. Out the door, $70k

It's a Chevrolet. Not a corvette, not a Cadillac not Mercedes or Porsche or BMW. Chevrolet equates to value. $70-80k as MSRP is utterly ridiculous.
I gotta disagree on this one..."Everyone knows you don't compare things like this"....?....I'd for sure say that applies to how you compare the LS7 to the engine swap for the LS3...lol...

"Most expensive Camaro ever"...to me means just that...above the highest priced, highest optioned model currently available...Yeah, it's a Chevy, but I don't think we'll see a "Biscayne" or Joe Six-Pack discount for the highest priced Camaro ever....
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Doesn't GM use the base coupe as baseline whenever they talk about pricing?
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Doesn't GM use the base coupe as baseline whenever they talk about pricing?
Probably...as a teaser to make the price look low...but it never stays there after you actually look and buy...lol...

Don't foresee a "base coupe" in the Z/28...I think comparing it to other model lines is an exercise in futility, personally....It's a totally different animal, built under a whole different system from development to assembly...Not gonna be cheap...JMHO....
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Probably...as a teaser to make the price look low...but it never stays there after you actually look and buy...lol...

Don't foresee a "base coupe" in the Z/28...I think comparing it to other model lines is an exercise in futility, personally....It's a totally different animal, built under a whole different system from development to assembly...Not gonna be cheap...JMHO....
Well, it only has one option. It's going to have to be built at Oshawa, right? This car is going to have a warranty since it will be a streetable car and have a VIN. It's going to utilize a good portion of standard parts of the Camaro, they are just going to change certain sequences in the plant to assemble the car to make it cost efficient. It's not like they are going to build it like the COPO's.
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Well, it only has one option. It's going to have to be built at Oshawa, right? This car is going to have a warranty since it will be a streetable car and have a VIN. It's going to utilize a good portion of standard parts of the Camaro, they are just going to change certain sequences in the plant to assemble the car to make it cost efficient. It's not like they are going to build it like the COPO's.
That I couldn't tell you....Just sayin' though if "just change certain sequences in the plant to assemble the car to make it cost efficient.." was the plan, we would have seen mix-'n-match options on all these cars from day one in 2009...

My guess is these will actually be built closer to how they build copos in Michigan, instead of how they build assembly line cars in Oshawa...
To my knowledge, no LS7 engines make it to Oshawa...

True they are not COPO's, but if they weren't street legal, they probably would be...Street legal isn't gonna make them cheaper, just because they aren't COPOs...
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Boris, you're showing a propensity for jumping to unfounded and terribly inaccurate conclusions...and a sense of close-mindedness, that I perceive as "unworldly" and intolerant.

What's my age? Might I be a grandfather? Of tween/teenaged grandchildren? Who listen to what?

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That I couldn't tell you....Just sayin' though if "just change certain sequences in the plant to assemble the car to make it cost efficient.." was the plan, we would have seen mix-'n-match options on all these cars from day one in 2009...

My guess is these will actually be built closer to how they build copos in Michigan, instead of how they build assembly line cars in Oshawa...
To my knowledge, no LS7 engines make it to Oshawa...

True they are not COPO's, but if they weren't street legal, they probably would be...Street legal isn't gonna make them cheaper, just because they aren't COPOs...
Correct, thus far....but all of the motors are shipped in to Oshawa for assembly, why wouldn't the LS7 be any different?
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Correct, thus far....but all of the motors are shipped in to Oshawa for assembly, why wouldn't the LS7 be any different?
You got me on all that, brother...How, where, what exact procedure they're gonna use to build these I have not heard, or don't know if it even matters...just guessing...
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You got me on all that, brother...How, where, what exact procedure they're gonna use to build these I have not heard, or don't know if it even matters...just guessing...
Ha, yep, it's all speculation til we hear more later in the year.
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The current most expensive Camaro costs $69,565. That's right now, today. How can the Z/28 be both the most expensive Camaro EVER, and at the same time be less than the most optioned ZL-1 ? That would make the ZL-1 Vert the "MOST EXPENSIVE CAMARO EVER" and would mean that GM is just blowing smoke when they publicly say otherwise?

So even though GM states that the Z/28 will be the most expensive Camaro ever, you're saying that the Z/28 is going to be $5 to $10K less than the currently most expensive Camaro?

Lots of wishful pricing logic and daydreaming going on around here. Good luck to all that are truely going to attempt to get one.
Not to mention those are '13 prices....'14s will probably be bumped up even more....
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Are they going to offer the Build your own Z/28 camaro engine at GM's Performance Build Center, that is a $6000 upgrade.
Probably...Plus another 2k if you wait... 4K if you watch...6K if you help....lol....
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The current most expensive Camaro costs $69,565. That's right now, today. How can the Z/28 be both the most expensive Camaro EVER, and at the same time be less than the most optioned ZL-1 ? That would make the ZL-1 Vert the "MOST EXPENSIVE CAMARO EVER" and would mean that GM is just blowing smoke when they publicly say otherwise?

So even though GM states that the Z/28 will be the most expensive Camaro ever, you're saying that the Z/28 is going to be $5 to $10K less than the currently most expensive Camaro?

Lots of wishful pricing logic and daydreaming going on around here. Good luck to all that are truely going to attempt to get one.
First, theyre different cars. When a dealership tells you the price of a vehicle, they DO NOT give you the most optioned price of the vehicle. NO DEALERSHIP does this. They go off of the BASE price. GO to a dealership and ask them the price of a ZL-1. Dont ask them about this or that option! Ask them the price of the ZL-1. Its $54,995. $10000 over that price is a SIGNIFICANT increase over the car. If this car is $70k+, production will be 600 tops. Im not saying youre wrong. It may be true, but if thats case, theyre not selling many AT ALL! If I was to spend that amount of money, I can find a vehicle that would match it AND be an excellent street car. Those parts added, youre paying a HUGE premium on them if thats the case. The car wont be worth that much IMO. But if thats the case, 75+% will be garage queens. Morons buying them up as an investment. Hardly an investment.

BASE for BASE, the Z/28 will be the MOST EXPENSIVE CAMARO TO DATE!

The COPOs are going for $150000+ right now. in 20 yrs they wont be worth that. I believe these cars will be like baseball cards. Once were good money, now you can pick em up for peanuts. Once thebaby boomers are gone, the price will fall dramatically.
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First, theyre different cars. When a dealership tells you the price of a vehicle, they DO NOT give you the most optioned price of the vehicle. NO DEALERSHIP does this. They go off of the BASE price. GO to a dealership and ask them the price of a ZL-1. Dont ask them about this or that option! Ask them the price of the ZL-1. Its $54,995. $10000 over that price is a SIGNIFICANT increase over the car. If this car is $70k+, production will be 600 tops. Im not saying youre wrong. It may be true, but if thats case, theyre not selling many AT ALL! If I was to spend that amount of money, I can find a vehicle that would match it AND be an excellent street car. Those parts added, youre paying a HUGE premium on them if thats the case. The car wont be worth that much IMO. But if thats the case, 75+% will be garage queens. Morons buying them up as an investment. Hardly an investment.

BASE for BASE, the Z/28 will be the MOST EXPENSIVE CAMARO TO DATE!

The COPOs are going for $150000+ right now. in 20 yrs they wont be worth that. I believe these cars will be like baseball cards. Once were good money, now you can pick em up for peanuts. Once thebaby boomers are gone, the price will fall dramatically.
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Are they going to offer the Build your own Z/28 camaro engine at GM's Performance Build Center, that is a $6000 upgrade.
No mention of that yet.
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Base for Base....probably a good rule of thumb for different models that have similar upgrades available...Don't think it applies to a Base Z/28, because there will be no such thing...It is "optioned" out to the max as is.
A/C option for Z/28?...Don't think that will qualify to make the car without it the "Base" Z/28 model....

If GM had said..."The base Z/28 is the highest price base model Camaro ever..." perhaps you would have a point...
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Base for Base....probably a good rule of thumb for different models that have similar upgrades available...Don't think it applies to a Base Z/28, because there will be no such thing...It is "optioned" out to the max as is.
A/C option for Z/28?...Don't think that will qualify to make the car without it the "Base" Z/28 model....

If GM had said..."The base Z/28 is the highest price base model Camaro ever..." perhaps you would have a point...
I'm basing my assumption that whenever GM talks about pricing, it's always reflective of base price, no matter what model it is. That's why you see little captions at the bottom of photographs that signify what that model was optioned out when tested.

The Z/28 will have a base price because it has a starting point like any other model. If you add the optional A/C, then that increases the price, no?
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I'm basing my assumption that whenever GM talks about pricing, it's always reflective of base price, no matter what model it is. That's why you see little captions at the bottom of photographs that signify what that model was optioned out when tested.

The Z/28 will have a base price because it has a starting point like any other model. If you add the optional A/C, then that increases the price, no?
I just don't see this car as being in the same game as the rest of the line-up at all....When they use the words "expensive" and "most expensive ever" to describe one of their own cars, I think all bets are off...

There will be no Z/28 advertised with disclaimer of "$_______ as shown" to avoid false advertising....
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I just don't see this car as being in the same game as the rest of the line-up at all....When they use the words "expensive" and "most expensive ever" to describe one of their own cars, I think all bets are off...

There will be no Z/28 advertised with disclaimer of "$_______ as shown" to avoid false advertising....
I find it hard to believe it'll be the same as the difference between a ZR-1 & Z06. Could be! But my question is: why not buy a Vette? The camaro won't outdo a Z06 I don't think right?
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I find it hard to believe it'll be the same as the difference between a ZR-1 & Z06. Could be! But my question is: why not buy a Vette? The camaro won't outdo a Z06 I don't think right?
I'm sure many will base what they buy on many factors that they weigh for why they want a particular car....I don't think the Z/28 is a threat to the Corvette, regardless of how it's priced or how it performs...or vice-versa...
...That it's being debated in the same arena as the Vette I think is a plus for the Z/28...Whether they price it based on what a comparable Vette is, who knows....But it shows it's in high-dollar territory, that's for sure...
and there's a lot more to the Z/28 than just another step-up in the Camaro line....
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But here's my thing comparing to the Z06, you produced this car to run circles around and compete with many others. Those that race, wouldn't they just buy the Vette and upgrade its components a little to race at the competition the Z/28 is up against? After all, the Vette is in the same races no? I understand they built it with passion and to compete with upper class and annihilate the rest. I get that. But I think they're building it more for nastalgic reasons than just a race car.

Perhaps that may be why they'll ask big money for it?
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But here's my thing comparing to the Z06, you produced this car to run circles around and compete with many others. Those that race, wouldn't they just buy the Vette and upgrade its components a little to race at the competition the Z/28 is up against? After all, the Vette is in the same races no? I understand they built it with passion and to compete with upper class and annihilate the rest. I get that. But I think they're building it more for nastalgic reasons than just a race car.
I can't speak for the circuit race guys what they would prefer and why...
But I think they actually built it the other way...For race car reasons, not just nostalgia. The Z/28 does have nostalgia appeal, and a Camaro race enthusiast, purist, "purpose built" (for racing) design.

If anything GM has made no bones about what the car is meant for, and why it was built that way...

Nostalgia wise, racing and "...a sub-set that actually race" got the purpose built car they wanted......not just some nostalgic knock-off for over-all sales appeal...If it were some sort of racing "poser", I'd say you are right...But I don't think you can look at Corvette's to make that assumption and I don't think that's the case with the Z/28...The real race-guys would sniff that out in a heart-beat...

Yeah, big money for sure....anything purpose built, limited production, serious racing, has got big dollar signs all over it....Just because it's a Chevy that isn't gonna make racing all that less expensive over-all that I can see... All good...It's not my cup of tea, all too rich for my blood for sure...Not sure if I'd buy one even if the price was 40K...lol...For the big dog, a ZL-1 is looking better and better all the time for me...

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I find it hard to believe it'll be the same as the difference between a ZR-1 & Z06. Could be! But my question is: why not buy a Vette? The camaro won't outdo a Z06 I don't think right?
Zl1 and z06 are already neck and neck on the ring.

When the c6 z06 first came out it posted a 7:43.

Zl1 7:41

The corvette isn't SOOO much better than the camaro, even though on paper it may seems so..

1le even beat the grand sport around VIR iirc.

A lot of people seem to think this car was made just to somehow bring that badge back.

The z/28 REALLY is a car for people to track, even with the z06 available for similar price. GM is serious about this car, and it WILL perform. Just watch...
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Boris, you're showing a propensity for jumping to unfounded and terribly inaccurate conclusions...and a sense of close-mindedness, that I perceive as "unworldly" and intolerant.

What's my age? Might I be a grandfather? Of tween/teenaged grandchildren? Who listen to what?

Nothing creepy about me, in this regard. You might consider broadening your horizons a smidgeon. It's a pretty cool world, just beyond your "fenceline"...

Wow just wow.

1st - I don't care who you are or what you do. But you came out and made the assumption "that I am waiting for the die cast model" because I could not afford the Z/28 at a 70k price tag.

2nd - You also assumed that my stock was paid out in pesos or some other bull shit. Sorry once again I never provided any background on my financial situation nor do i plan to other than I can swing for a 60-70k Z/28 if I really wanted.

3rd - Now I am close minded even though in my current situation I am looking for a fun, streetable, and track worthy car. The Z/28 fits. I am also looking at Z06/ZR1s (used) or 911 Turbos (also used) or a C7 (new) but for some reason it is an apples to oranges comparison? How so? They all fit the bill and are priced about the same. I don't care about warranty I just wanted a car that came from the factory and ready to tear up a track. So how is it close minded cross shopping brands new and used?

4th - Intolerant? How? When? I don't like bubble gum music never have..well i did have an MC Hammer tape when I was in 4th grade

So let me clear this up - you have been nothing short of a world class penis to just about all of my posts in the Z/28 forum. Fine it makes you look like a good old fashion dick. Personally I don't care I will most likely never meet you and do not really care to either. I came here to learn some more on the Z/28 and newer refresh 2014 Camaros. I have no brand loyalty but I am very happy GM built this sweet car. I do have my reservations about how they did it (and reading other posts i don't think i am the only one) but that won't stop me from having it if I truly desire.

You also stated that they just will be limited because they just can't make them but i have read a few places now saying GM will make them if you want them. Sooooo which is it?
The first 2 years of the Z06 were 6000 and 8000 cars sold and those were more than 70k each.

With no more Z06 or ZR1 for 2014 the door is open for the Z/28 to be the king of Chevy performance cars. Well if this is true, I can see at least 3000 of these cars being sold. What is the limit that you seem to be so sure of? Do you actually know or are you trying to make an educated guess like me? Until all the info is released it is all speculation. Don't get all butt hurt because my opinion is different than yours.
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