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Old 04-16-2013, 08:15 AM   #1
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Attention New owners with manual transmissions:

Have you gotten your telephone survey yet? This is the one from the GM Engineers not the customer satisfaction survey. They call all new GM owners about a month after you take delivery of your new vehicle to see if there are any issues with your car. This is the perfect place for those of us who dislike HILL START ASSIST (HSA) to voice our concerns!! I told them that I love my new camaro but when they asked me if there were any annoyances, I told them of my dislike of HSA and how it caused me to stall several times and that it would be nice to be able to TURN IT OFF if we wanted.
Maybe if enough of us speak up they will issue an update to the computer to allow disabling or a adjusting HSA.

Hey, itís worth a shot, right!?!
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:24 AM   #2
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I think you will get quite a few people to agree with you based on what I've been reading over the last year since it was made standard equipment.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:33 AM   #3
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Have you gotten your telephone survey yet?:
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Even in my credit report I have this as my main number.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:48 AM   #4
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I never got any call. Purchased in December.

I gave 2 phone numbers, my cell and a 'work' line that's just a google voice number that forwards to my cell.
Either they only call land lines (which would be stupid considering 60% of the country doesn't have one) or they show up as Unknown or Blocked on caller ID which means they won't be answered and won't be given the option to leave voicemail.

I've called customer service myself and they pretty much told me it was a safety feature and they're sorry I was unhappy.

I got a JD Power survey to fill out online then a couple of weeks later got another, much longer and more detailed survey in the mail.
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:43 AM   #5
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My Dad bought a Malibu in December and I got my Camaro in March, we both have land lines and we both got calls from a caller ID of " General Motors"......
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Old 04-16-2013, 12:19 PM   #6
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Never got a call...
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:09 PM   #7
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My wife's 2012 Sonic 6 speed manual has that. It holds the car for a few seconds when I let off the brake. I love it. Why don't you like the hill assist?
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:31 PM   #8
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My wife's 2012 Sonic 6 speed manual has that. It holds the car for a few seconds when I let off the brake. I love it. Why don't you like the hill assist?
I don't have a manual but when you say 'a few seconds' is that literal? It would drive me nuts if I want to go but I can't until the car says it's OK.

To the OP - have to agree. If it's a nanny there should be a way to turn it off. Personally I would want control of my vehicle in that situation - I knew how to control my manual vehicles on hills. When I would buy one, one of the first things I would do is go out and find some hills so I could determine how that specific vehicle would handle it.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:44 PM   #9
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I have a 2013 SS manual. Honestly, I don't understand what the big deal is. Within a few days/weeks you don't even actively think of it. When I get to uphills I know to take my time moving my foot from the break to the accelerator and ease gently. In fact, I have it down so seamless now that I probably take off without a noticeable "jump" when the break is released.

I can understand how it takes getting used to but it's really an advantage if you learn how to use it (IMHO).
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Old 04-16-2013, 06:59 PM   #10
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It's like having a paper route, saving up for a brand new shiny bike, buying it only to find out it comes with training wheels and you can't take them off..........When you have 30+ years of driving a standard it's really hard ( and annoying) to learn a different way to start on hills. I wouldn't mind it near as much if it was 1/2 a second instead of two...and this happens even when I'm trying to pull into my garage. There are dozens of people (especially in the 1LE forum) who hate it even more than I do.
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Old 04-16-2013, 07:40 PM   #11
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Hill Start sounds stupid as I have posted before isn't that why they put a hand E brake in the car. How do you time 2 seconds and after that does the car roll backwards.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:17 PM   #12
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My wife has an 08 VW Passat with hill assist and we both hate it, but with the VW you actually have the option to turn it on or off. It's actually a feature you need to turn on, meaning it's not on every time you start the car. Yes my wife drives a manual.

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Old 04-17-2013, 10:52 AM   #13
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I have a 2013 SS manual. Honestly, I don't understand what the big deal is. Within a few days/weeks you don't even actively think of it. When I get to uphills I know to take my time moving my foot from the break to the accelerator and ease gently. In fact, I have it down so seamless now that I probably take off without a noticeable "jump" when the break is released.

I can understand how it takes getting used to but it's really an advantage if you learn how to use it (IMHO).
I don't want to "take my time...and ease gently," I want to GO!
Almost had a horrible wreck because I started to pull out into rush hour traffic and the HSA held me and I stalled.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:05 AM   #14
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I thought I heard HSA deactivated when the clutch started to grab?? He'll if it holds the car that long I prefer the handbrake method if the hill is that bad.
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:37 PM   #15
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My wife's 2012 Sonic 6 speed manual has that. It holds the car for a few seconds when I let off the brake. I love it. Why don't you like the hill assist?
My wife's Subaru has it (and thank God that its default setting is "off"). On the handful of times when I've used it just to see what it was all about, it was of no advantage whatsoever. When you start up even without stalling it'll feel like something is dragging or there's something wrong with the car, kind of like you (or a passenger) keep setting the P-brake and nobody remembers to take it off. It's a driveability issue for which there is no excuse, except under truly unusual circumstances. And a blatant insult to those of us with somewhat longer experience driving stick.


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I have a 2013 SS manual. Honestly, I don't understand what the big deal is. Within a few days/weeks you don't even actively think of it. When I get to uphills I know to take my time moving my foot from the break to the accelerator and ease gently. In fact, I have it down so seamless now that I probably take off without a noticeable "jump" when the break is released.
The biggest part is that it does not agree with the timing that's consistent with most drivers - when it's time to go it's not the time to still be sitting there waiting. A second or two is an annoyance all out of proportion to its absolute magnitude, and shouldn't be added to the driver's state of mind when driving, even if only for a moment.

No way the person driving the automatic tranny vehicle behind you has even a clue why you're waiting the extra odd second or two (hell, he's not even going to be aware that you're driving an stick-shift car to begin with).


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I can understand how it takes getting used to but it's really an advantage if you learn how to use it (IMHO).
So tell me how you're ever going to get used to HSA in one car when none of several other cars available to you are not cursed with it? Or how you'd cope after you have mostly adapted to it and you aren't in that car?

That may be what my daughter is facing come later in the week when she picks up her new MT car (Dodge Dart, FWIW), while still having access to our cars (that are all manual tranny as well). Fortunately for her, I think I've found the disable procedure, making it two out of the three "US Domestic" manufacturers who have seen fit to provide this capability. Do you think they realize something that Chevy hasn't quite figured out yet?


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Old 04-17-2013, 05:28 PM   #16
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LOL its not a two second delay.......Its like go and it it lets you with out going backwards.......Frankly I like my hill start. ANd the lack of delay is from being able to give it gas and over power the braking effect with a little wheel slip if you do it right.
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ANd the lack of delay is from being able to give it gas and over power the braking effect with a little wheel slip if you do it right.
You should not be needing to crutch it like this. Whether there's enough power to easily overpower what's essentially stuck brakes isn't the issue. You simply should not have to.


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Old 04-17-2013, 06:02 PM   #18
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I saw the 1LE forum (or sub-forum) mentioned in post#10 above. How do I get to that sub-forum? I didn't see it in the menu of forums.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:10 PM   #19
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I received a call.

I, too, am unhappy there is not a defeat switch for HSA. I did mention my desire to them. I really hope whatever software update they make will be retrofit to our cars.
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I have a 2013 SS manual. Honestly, I don't understand what the big deal is. Within a few days/weeks you don't even actively think of it. When I get to uphills I know to take my time moving my foot from the break to the accelerator and ease gently. In fact, I have it down so seamless now that I probably take off without a noticeable "jump" when the break is released.

I can understand how it takes getting used to but it's really an advantage if you learn how to use it (IMHO).
I didn't think the terms "take my time" and "ease gently" should be used when discussing Camaros

I don't like HSA. My car still "jerks" when my accelerator 'pressure' overcomes the brakes. I want to decide when the vehicle moves or not. I don't want to be in a position when I have to anticipate when it will move.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:25 PM   #21
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I find myself doing things I would not normally do just to make sure it does not set. My drive is on a hill and when I back out I don't come to a stop but switch to 1st gear while still rolling back. On my drive, I sit and wait until it disengages to pull forward. NOT safe to do but the alternative sucks. On the road I come up in neutral and do the fast shift to 1st after letting it roll back.

Boy aint safety great!!! Been driving since 1973, been driving a manual since 1973. But hey this does prove you can teach an old dog new tricks though.
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Have you gotten your telephone survey yet? This is the one from the GM Engineers not the customer satisfaction survey. They call all new GM owners about a month after you take delivery of your new vehicle to see if there are any issues with your car. This is the perfect place for those of us who dislike HILL START ASSIST (HSA) to voice our concerns!! I told them that I love my new camaro but when they asked me if there were any annoyances, I told them of my dislike of HSA and how it caused me to stall several times and that it would be nice to be able to TURN IT OFF if we wanted.
Maybe if enough of us speak up they will issue an update to the computer to allow disabling or a adjusting HSA.

Hey, itís worth a shot, right!?!
I got a call and told them to get rid of the CAGS 1st-4th sh.t !
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:34 PM   #24
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able to give it gas and over power the braking effect with a little wheel slip if you do it right.
Have you smelt the car after doing that ????? All I smell is burnt brakes and clutch ....That CAN'T be good , especially over time!! just give me a freakin' button to turn it off, I don't need GM babysitting me while I'm on a hill. I'm a big boy and can handle it all by myself.... btw take your foot off the brake and count til it releases the hold...It IS 2 seconds!! I can even understand that some people might like it (although I cannot understand why) all's I'm saying is give me and the dozens of others who have ranted about it on this forum the option...Mustang's can do it for God's sake!
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LOL its not a two second delay.......Its like go and it it lets you with out going backwards.......Frankly I like my hill start. ANd the lack of delay is from being able to give it gas and over power the braking effect with a little wheel slip if you do it right.
It IS a 2 second delay. And it's ride the clutch, overpower the brakes or wait till you roll to leave without stalling.
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