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Old 04-16-2013, 09:46 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Camaro V6 ACM Exhaust Mod w/ Secondary Cat Delete

Just had this done today with AutoCouture Motoring in Fairlawn, NJ. They worked on all my previous cars including a 2012 E92 M3.

Basically a secondary cat delete with a mod to the stock mufflers where most of the internals are bypassed and therefor you get a straight pipe set-up through the stock muffler. Also had my mufflers painted black as to make them invisible from the rear.

Not only do you get a deeper and appropriate exhaust note, but also roughly 15 extra HP, estimated.

The whole mod is cheap and the results speak for themselves, watch and judge.



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Old 04-16-2013, 09:54 PM   #2
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15 hp? Wheres the dyno sheet? Those stock mufflers are still really heavy compared to aftermarket systems. Cool vids it seems your mod really woke up the stock mufflers
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Old 04-16-2013, 09:58 PM   #3
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15 hp? Wheres the dyno sheet? Those stock mufflers are still really heavy compared to aftermarket systems. Cool vids it seems your mod really woke up the stock mufflers
I just did the Mod today, the HP "estimate" is just that. Secondary cats are far less restrictive than primaries, but on average reduce HP output by 10 (give or take) HP. A less restrictive muffler adds a little power too, hence the estimate based on a professional tuning and modding company. Could be more, could be less. And yes, they are heavy, but maintain a stock look and cheaper than buying aftermarket mufflers.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:52 PM   #4
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Nice Pictures what what are you actally deleteing the Muffler or the cats and from where to where. if i am right. We have 4 cats, 2 baffles and then the 2 Mufflers
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:41 PM   #6
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Nice Pictures what what are you actally deleteing the Muffler or the cats and from where to where. if i am right. We have 4 cats, 2 baffles and then the 2 Mufflers
Yes, the secondary or rear smaller cats were deleted and replaced with straight pipe leaving only the forward 2 primary cats. The mufflers are still there, but now modified to be free flowing which makes them sound better and frees up a lil more HP.
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Old 04-19-2013, 06:35 PM   #7
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I did the same with my secondary cats and added Borla mufflers ( axle back of course) ..... in addition, I added a CAI . Needless to say, I'm very happy with the improved sound. Not sure about the hp gain but not sure I would really notice
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:53 PM   #8
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I did the same with my secondary cats and added Borla mufflers ( axle back of course) ..... in addition, I added a CAI . Needless to say, I'm very happy with the improved sound. Not sure about the hp gain but not sure I would really notice
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I never heard of this car having 4 cats. I think what you are calling the secondary cats are the resonators. The only sets of cats, one on each side, are between the two O2 sensors on each side below where it mounts to the head. There is actually 2 sets of resonators in the system. A set behind the cats and another set right behind the H-pipe, or at least I think they are behind the H-pipe and not in front of. Been a while since I been under the car.

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V6 camaro has 4 cats. 2 primaries off the headers followed immediately by 2 secondaries. The resonators are the bigger looking cans in the middle of the car. I have pics I can upload if the secondary cats removed. They are cats for sure, 200 cel by the looks of it.
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I never heard of this car having 4 cats. I think what you are calling the secondary cats are the resonators. The only sets of cats, one on each side, are between the two O2 sensors on each side below where it mounts to the head. There is actually 2 sets of resonators in the system. A set behind the cats and another set right behind the H-pipe, or at least I think they are behind the H-pipe and not in front of. Been a while since I been under the car.

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V6 camaro has 4 cats. 2 primaries off the headers followed immediately by 2 secondaries. The resonators are the bigger looking cans in the middle of the car. I have pics I can upload if the secondary cats removed. They are cats for sure, 200 cel by the looks of it.
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V6 camaro has 4 cats. 2 primaries off the headers followed immediately by 2 secondaries. The resonators are the bigger looking cans in the middle of the car. I have pics I can upload if the secondary cats removed. They are cats for sure, 200 cel by the looks of it.
The ones behind the cats are resonators. Below is a picture of the HFC's from Solo and they have installed a bigger resonator then the factory had. The smaller one on each pipe is the cat as you can see a threaded bung on each side of it for two O2 sensors, behind the rear O2 sensor is a longer looking bigger pipe but that is a resonator not a cat. The stock cats have the same set up on the resonator on the stock is a lot smaller. But if you wish to call it a cat that is fine but I would not eliminate either of the 2 sets of resonators on my exhaust due to the sound of rasp and drone.



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BTW, does your state have emission inspections on vehicles? If they were cats and you just eliminated half of them you are probably not going to pass emission testing. Just a thought.

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Does anyone know if deleting the smaller cats voids your warranty? Thx.
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The ones behind the cats are resonators. Below is a picture of the HFC's from Solo and they have installed a bigger resonator then the factory had. The smaller one on each pipe is the cat as you can see a threaded bung on each side of it for two O2 sensors, behind the rear O2 sensor is a longer looking bigger pipe but that is a resonator not a cat. The stock cats have the same set up on the resonator on the stock is a lot smaller. But if you wish to call it a cat that is fine but I would not eliminate either of the 2 sets of resonators on my exhaust due to the sound of rasp and drone.



Ill post pics later of the smaller rear cars. Idk about aftermarket setups, but on stock you have the main two primaries off the headers followed by two small ones immediately. I also saw this on a GM schematic of the camaro exhaust system and when you look into them cut off, they have the traditional honey comb mesh. The resonators are the longer tubes before the axle, mid way back. Resonators I left on to eliminate rasp, yes. NJ does have wmmisok standards but no tail pipe test, only OBD 2 port which doesn't show a fault code with secondary cat delete. So this setup which doesn't give off exhaust smell when warm should have no problem passing inspection, not that I have to worry till 2018 anyways, lol. Ill post those secondary cat pics later when I'm home.
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Does anyone know if deleting the smaller cats voids your warranty? Thx.
It would only void your exhaust warranty if they got technical. There are actually federal laws about vehicles warranties that allow mods of cara that don't tamper with normal vehicle operation.
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Ill post pics later of the smaller rear cars. Idk about aftermarket setups, but on stock you have the main two primaries off the headers followed by two small ones immediately. I also saw this on a GM schematic of the camaro exhaust system and when you look into them cut off, they have the traditional honey comb mesh. The resonators are the longer tubes before the axle, mid way back. Resonators I left on to eliminate rasp, yes. NJ does have wmmisok standards but no tail pipe test, only OBD 2 port which doesn't show a fault code with secondary cat delete. So this setup which doesn't give off exhaust smell when warm should have no problem passing inspection, not that I have to worry till 2018 anyways, lol. Ill post those secondary cat pics later when I'm home.
First off not sure how you could possibly have headers since there are none on the LFX engine. They are built into the heads no manifolds or headers. Don't bother with a picture because I have my factory pipes laying on the garage floor and know what you think you are talking about. All I am saying is I have never heard of 2 cats on each pipe and telling you they are resonators. If you want to call them cats so be it.

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First off not sure how you could possibly have headers since there are none on the LFX engine. They are built into the heads no manifolds or headers. Don't bother with a picture because I have my factory pipes laying on the garage floor and know what you think you are talking about. All I am saying is I have never heard of 2 cats on each pipe and telling you they are resonators. If you want to call them cats so be it.

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So that honeycomb mesh inside those "resonators" is what again? Resonators do not have catalytic material in them. Plus, I took pics and sold these cats to a company in PA which buys cats for money, I doubt they would buy resonators. And since you have not cut them off your exhaust and looked inside, how can you say for sure they are resonators. It was the exact same setup on my E92 M3. I did the same exact job on that car. Dw, pics soon to come, we'll let the viewers decide this one.
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There are four cats. Please take a look at this post:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...0&postcount=22

I've never seen a reasonator with the very thick honeycomb like material inside it like the the rear "cats" have.
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First off not sure how you could possibly have headers since there are none on the LFX engine. They are built into the heads no manifolds or headers. Don't bother with a picture because I have my factory pipes laying on the garage floor and know what you think you are talking about. All I am saying is I have never heard of 2 cats on each pipe and telling you they are resonators. If you want to call them cats so be it.

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See my post above.

Also you know darn well he didn't actually mean headers, and instead meant the downpipe coming from the single exhaust outlet.
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First off not sure how you could possibly have headers since there are none on the LFX engine. They are built into the heads no manifolds or headers. Don't bother with a picture because I have my factory pipes laying on the garage floor and know what you think you are talking about. All I am saying is I have never heard of 2 cats on each pipe and telling you they are resonators. If you want to call them cats so be it.

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Thank you for the help KMPrenger. Here are my pics.

And yes, I was thinking headers but really meant the stock set-up the car has.
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looks like cats to me. I've never seen a resonator that choaked up before, but hell I'm no expert either.
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First off not sure how you could possibly have headers since there are none on the LFX engine. They are built into the heads no manifolds or headers. Don't bother with a picture because I have my factory pipes laying on the garage floor and know what you think you are talking about. All I am saying is I have never heard of 2 cats on each pipe and telling you they are resonators. If you want to call them cats so be it.

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Sorry but you're completely wrong. Kmprenger and dkdarius are right. There are a total of 4 cats on the car. 2 per side. Just look at the pictures prenger linked to. All 4 of those are cats. The car only has 2 resonators. 1 on each side.

The pictures darius posted are of the small rear cats. Those are not resonators.
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Sorry but you're completely wrong. Kmprenger and dkdarius are right. There are a total of 4 cats on the car. 2 per side. Just look at the pictures prenger linked to. All 4 of those are cats. The car only has 2 resonators. 1 on each side.

The pictures darius posted are of the small rear cats. Those are not resonators.
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