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Old 04-21-2013, 12:42 AM   #1
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Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE vs Ford Mustang GT Track Pack! - Head 2 Head

I don't know if this has been posted but I found it quite interesting. I'm a life long Mustang/Ford guy. I had a 64 1/2 when I was 17. Now I'm 45 & considering a 2SS 1LE.

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Old 04-21-2013, 09:20 AM   #2
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:22 AM   #3
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lol ford got their asses kicked love that line.
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:28 AM   #4
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Long time ford guy? Hmp...camaro must have really impressed you. Either car will be a good choice and your not going to be pushing them to the limit so any short comings of either will most likley not even be seen. If I were in your shoes id say pick the one you wouldn't mind driving for a few hors straight. I love my Z but its just not a car id want to have to drive for a long time.
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Yeah I'm a long time ford guy. I also used to have a Pantera. The Camaro's rear suspension is what made look at it a few years ago. I didn't like the way the front end pushed so I stayed away. this new (to me) 1LE package caught my attention. I never leave anything even remotely stock suspension wise. The tranny/axle/wheel bearing upgrades can get spendy. Plus I think I could drive the car for awhile & not hate the way it handles. There really isn't any straight roads where I live.
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Not rocket science. GM designed the 1LE to be faster. Ford didn't design the track package Mustang to be faster so much as they did to better withstand the abuse of the track environment through mostly modifications to the cooling systems.
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If I was buying one car right now for under 40k and the 2014 Vette and 2015 Mustang weren't so close to make me wait, I would definitely go with a 1LE. In red. With the dual mode exhaust.
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so many reviews, all with the same verdict. I'm glad I'm trading my 12 SS for the 13 1LE...being built next week!
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Not rocket science. GM designed the 1LE to be faster. Ford didn't design the track package Mustang to be faster so much as they did to better withstand the abuse of the track environment through mostly modifications to the cooling systems.
Not rocket science. Gem Designed the 1LE to be faster. Ford designed the track pack to be 3 seconds slower.

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Long time ford guy? Hmp...camaro must have really impressed you. Either car will be a good choice and your not going to be pushing them to the limit so any short comings of either will most likley not even be seen. If I were in your shoes id say pick the one you wouldn't mind driving for a few hors straight. I love my Z but its just not a car id want to have to drive for a long time.
I love long trips in my ZL1, but you're right, my 1997 Anniversary Edition....not so much.
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Not rocket science. Gem Designed the 1LE to be faster. Ford designed the track pack to be 3 seconds slower.

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Slower then what? The track pack doesn't add any new suspension components or different tires to an already in production since 2011 Brembo package. Ford left the stuff unchanged while Chevy knew they had to improve certain things to compete, and they far exceeded the bench mark set by the new GT 3 years ago when it comes to muscle car's place in the sports car market. They did a great job with the FE4 revision in 2012, and an even better job for 2013 with the 1LE option. Ford is at the end of the product cycle with the current platform (thank God). They could have easily matched the 1LE's performance, or certainly come close to it, just by going with different springs rates and shocks, bigger sways, and same tires that Chevy is using on the 1LE, but it makes no sense to release anything like that with the 2015 remodel on the horizon.
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Lol what do you expect, the car with a log axle can't match IRS. Baffles me as to why Ford never made an IRS SVT Cobra for the S197 gen.
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I venture to say the biggest difference maker in this matchup is rubber. The Camaro is sporting full race 285/35/ZR20s Supercar G tires, while the GT has basically a street tire with the Pirelli 255/40/R19 summer tire. I suspect with equivalent rubber this race would be much closer.
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I venture to say the biggest difference maker in this matchup is rubber. The Camaro is sporting full race 285/35/ZR20s Supercar G tires, while the GT has basically a street tire with the Pirelli 255/40/R19 summer tire. I suspect with equivalent rubber this race would be much closer.
This, people seem to convienently forget the tire equation when it comes to track times and the HUGE differences they can make.
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Not rocket science. Gem Designed the 1LE to be faster. Ford designed the track pack to be 3 seconds slower.

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Go research what's included in the track package and get back to me. You'll find it's nothing that makes the car handle better or go faster over a regular Brembo car.

Timing also plays a huge roll here as well. Ford developed the Boss and then GM targeted the Boss with the 1LE and made a pretty good showing. It's no surprise a car built to compete against the Boss can handle a basic GT that Ford didn't bother to upgrade since it's in its final model year, i.e. a lame duck.
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Lol what do you expect, the car with a log axle can't match IRS. Baffles me as to why Ford never made an IRS SVT Cobra for the S197 gen.
Ford went back to the straight axle because that's what most of the customers wanted. There was a grass roots campaign to keep it. At prior job we tuned the suspension on an irs Mustang Cobra & had it handling quite well.
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This, people seem to convienently forget the tire equation when it comes to track times and the HUGE differences they can make.
Tires do make a huge difference but to me it was axle movement, as in wheel hop, that made the most difference. Having to pitch a car in the coner, catch it (usually on the bump stops) ride it out then control the slide isn't the fastest way around the track although it is fun.
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I venture to say the biggest difference maker in this matchup is rubber. The Camaro is sporting full race 285/35/ZR20s Supercar G tires, while the GT has basically a street tire with the Pirelli 255/40/R19 summer tire. I suspect with equivalent rubber this race would be much closer.
Guys, Goodyear G:2 tires are NOT race tires, not even close. They are good tires, sure, but just high performance summer tires; nothing else.

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Poor Ford guys, searching for answers! Uhhh it's the tires! The 1LE isn't any faster than a mustang! It's just the tires!
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Guys, Goodyear G:2 tires are NOT race tires, not even close. They are good tires, sure, but just high performance summer tires; nothing else.
Agreed. While, undoubtedly, tires do make a difference, I was surprised to see someone call the supercar tires full race tires. Made me chuckle out loud.
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Slower then what?
"Slower than what?"

The 1LE it appears.

"Go research what's included in the track package and get back to me. You'll find it's nothing that makes the car handle better or go faster over a regular Brembo car."

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Ford went back to the straight axle because that's what most of the customers wanted. There was a grass roots campaign to keep it. At prior job we tuned the suspension on an irs Mustang Cobra & had it handling quite well.
Lol, they did it to svae money. This is a fact Ford did not even try to hide... http://www.pipedreamproducts.com/sea...rch_data=Swing

http://www.pipedreamproducts.com/sea...rch_data=Swing

We know the track pack doesn't compare but that is the comparison Ford wants the world to focus on by not allowing Mototrend to test the 1LE against the Boss. Popular Mechanics did test both and the 1LE won that track comparison. I am sure there is a track out there that suits the Boss but for $$8-10k more than a 1 LE makes it a tough sell unless your a stang guy.
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Well straight axle does save weight? If the Mustang had IRS it would weigh within 100 lbs of the Camaro SS and with more drivetrain loss, and down on torque.... You can bet an LS3 would handily beat 'em.
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Lol, they did it to svae money. This is a fact Ford did not even try to hide... http://www.pipedreamproducts.com/sea...rch_data=Swing

http://www.pipedreamproducts.com/sea...rch_data=Swing

We know the track pack doesn't compare but that is the comparison Ford wants the world to focus on by not allowing Mototrend to test the 1LE against the Boss. Popular Mechanics did test both and the 1LE won that track comparison. I am sure there is a track out there that suits the Boss but for $$8-10k more than a 1 LE makes it a tough sell unless your a stang guy.
How the heck is the boss 8-10k more, thought the difference between a Base 1SS 1LE and Boss was around 5k................
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The Mustang core audience is still drag racers. And there's nothing better than a solid rear for that. There's already a bunch of pissing & moaning on the Mustang forums about the suspension change and the possibility of a turbo 4 cylinder being offered in the Mustang even though the 4 banger is rumored to make as much HP & torque as the 3.7 V6.
This, let's face it, not many people who are touting the track prowess of the 1LE will ever see a road course, but they will probably see a 1/4 mile track at some point. Same with teh Mustang and THAT is why it has kept the straight axle, better for drag racing and probably 100 times the mustang owners will take their cars to a 1/4 mile track compared to a roadcourse and the same is true of the Camaro.
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