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Old 07-02-2015, 06:24 AM   #1
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The Dreaded AFM lifter failure

So I have a 2014 2SS Convertible auto with 21k miles. I'm driving home Sunday minding my own business having a shake, cruising down i10 and 70 mph with the top down and the windows and stereo up. This is about 10pm when suddenly I see idiot lights start flashing. I started noticing I was having to give it a little more pedal to keep my speed. I thought 1st thing that I had a leak or the plug came off of the Mass Air. Then over the sounds of Ozzy Osborne I hear CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK!!!

I pull off and into the gas station where the sound is even more amplified. My guess is I've dropped a lifter, there's a spring broken or I've busted a rocker arm. It's on the left back in about the middle of the head. I get home which is less than a mile away and revert back to my stock ECU flash and remove my CAI. I had it towed to my dealer who says the next day "Yeah it's broke alright!" I'm sorry could you be a little more vague? He says he won't know until his master mechanic pulls the valve cover off and then the head but they will replace the lifter if that's what it is and button it back up.

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Old 07-02-2015, 08:15 AM   #2
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Sorry this happened to you, especially with no warning at all. I would like to know why this is happening. Is it tune related, a crapshoot if it will happen, or is it just inevitable that it's going to happen to the L99 no matter how well you maintenance your car. Thanks
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Old 07-02-2015, 08:23 AM   #3
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Maybe your car doesn't like Ozzy?
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That sucks. Why did you change the tune and take the intake off before sending in back to the dealer?
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Old 07-02-2015, 09:59 AM   #5
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That sucks. Why did you change the tune and take the intake off before sending in back to the dealer?

I just wanted to remove any dumb questions or situations. I had a 93 octane tune from SCT4 and Cold Air Industries intake. When most dealers see these parts the go into panic mode and start blaming aftermarket parts for the failure of the Chevy parts.


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Old 07-02-2015, 10:04 AM   #6
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Be aware if there's major engine failure they COULD pull your tune files. Not trying to add fuel to the fire, but it sounds like you know the potential here.
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Old 07-02-2015, 10:22 AM   #7
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Admit it, you were listening to Black Label Society featuring Ozzy Osbourne, and your car couldn't stand anymore of Zack Wylde's pinch harmonics so it committed suicide.
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Old 07-02-2015, 10:22 AM   #8
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Be aware if there's major engine failure they COULD pull your tune files. Not trying to add fuel to the fire, but it sounds like you know the potential here.

While I do know... I also know I bought this car as a Certified Chevy with this air intake AND tune already in it. While I didn't discover the tune part until after I bought it, I'm going to tell them "Hey you certified it"
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Old 07-02-2015, 10:24 AM   #9
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Admit it, you were listening to Black Label Society featuring Ozzy Osbourne, and your car couldn't stand anymore of Zack Wylde's pinch harmonics so it committed suicide.

Hey hey now. I'm a follower of BLS!
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I just wanted to remove any dumb questions or situations. I had a 93 octane tune from SCT400 and Cold Air Industries intake. When most dealers see these parts the go into panic mode and start blaming aftermarket parts for the failure of the Chevy parts.


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Admit it, you were listening to Black Label Society featuring Ozzy Osbourne, and your car couldn't stand anymore of Zack Wylde's pinch harmonics so it committed suicide.
HAHAHA!

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Did you have AFM tuned off?


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Old 07-02-2015, 10:49 AM   #13
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Did you have AFM tuned off?


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Yes I did. Only things were the standard tune from SCT4 for 93 octane plus AFM turned off, top end turned off and I think it was 2% richer at WOT.
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What is an SCT400 tune?

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I had some dumbass on these forums try to argue that the l99 was more reliable than ls3
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I had some dumbass on these forums try to argue that the l99 was more reliable than ls3
The fact that there's a known issues with the AFM cams and lifters in the L99 should be enough to convince anyone the LS3 although MOSTLY the same motor as the L99 is more reliable and reliable as the L99 lifters and cams are the weak point. I'm going to say a very large prayer that I can convince them to just upgrade the motor to be the LS3. I can hope.... right??

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I had some dumbass on these forums try to argue that the l99 was more reliable than ls3
soooo.....the LS3 gets oil pump failures and the L99 has AFM lifter failures. good job.
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soooo.....the LS3 gets oil pump failures and the L99 has AFM lifter failures. good job.

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I would want to ditch all the AFM lifters and go with $1200 ported ls3 heads from summit with the hollow intake valve, and ditch the cam and add headers, and beef the suspension, and dyno tune it, and build the rear, and etc etc etc.... But its a dealer they may change out one friggin lifter for the pain it is.....
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Lame and late......pay attention.
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I would want to ditch all the AFM lifters and go with $1200 ported ls3 heads from summit with the hollow intake valve, and ditch the cam and add headers, and beef the suspension, and dyno tune it, and build the rear, and etc etc etc.... But its a dealer they may change out one friggin lifter for the pain it is.....
You know they will just change that one lifter.
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Unless you had the Ozzy?Randy Rhoads "Tribute" live album (their album, not the dumb one that came out lately with new bands) you were in for trouble....

All that aside, hope you get fixed up soon. That sucks!
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Subscribing for updates. This lifter issue will be my justification to do a Cam later and have that fixed. I only have 9K on mine now, I will likely pass the years before mileage.
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