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Old 06-13-2014, 04:51 PM   #1
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Camaro Long Tube Headers Question

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I have a 2013 Camaro SS and was looking at purchasing some headers. The headers I'm choosing between are Kooks and Borla. I know a lot of you will say go with the kooks, but personally I don't think there will be a huge difference and I'm mostly paying for the Kooks brand name. Anyway, I'm wondering if either the Kooks or Borla headers will drop right in without any problems. For those of you that have had either brand installed, did you have to make any modification to drop them in and get them installed? I just want to avoid paying for any unnecessary labor.

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Old 06-13-2014, 05:06 PM   #2
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The ONLY modification you'd have to do (which generally you don't) is dimple the primary tube that comes closest to the steering shaft for clearance. Most people don't have to do this at all though... I installed a pair of 2" XS power longtubes and they fit just perfect without any modifications. If you take it to a shop, they're probably going to unbolt the steering shaft regardless (simple to do).
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:14 PM   #3
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Between those 2 Kooks all day long ,twice on Sunday. No fitment problem on your car with Kooks.
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Old 06-13-2014, 06:02 PM   #4
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I just had Stainless Power headers and high flow cats installed and the installer said he didn't have to do any mods at all. Not even unbolt the steering shaft. Plus they are a LOT cheaper than the other brands. Don't pay for a name.
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Old 06-13-2014, 06:02 PM   #5
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I have TSP 1 7/8 Headers, with Offroad Pipes and their 3" Exhaust, everything went on without a single issue and no modifications needed. You can get everything for the same price as a set of Kooks Headers + Catless Leads and have a full 1 7/8 Primaries to a full 3" exhaust. It is very loud though, especially since im running a mild cam.
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Old 06-13-2014, 06:45 PM   #6
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As the OP had said it was between Borla and Kooks ,I picked Kooks .But my own car has Stainless Power ,and the fit is perfect and at under $700.00 you can not beat them for the money IMHO.
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Old 06-13-2014, 06:48 PM   #7
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Between the two, Kooks all the way
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Old 06-13-2014, 07:07 PM   #8
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Kooks is top notch.
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Old 06-13-2014, 07:42 PM   #9
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Myself I would do Kooks over Borla.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:06 PM   #10
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Depending on the header and or a piece of mind, you may need the O2 sensor extensions, but other than that, you shouldn't face any fitment issues.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:28 PM   #11
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Thanks for the fast responses guys. Would you say that the Kooks and Borla LT Headers will have about the same HP gains?
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:41 PM   #12
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From my experiences, depending if you go 1 7/8 or 2", its all debatable and very close in numbers. I think it really comes down to personal preference and sound output. I had Doug Thorley Tri-Ys with the ceramic coating on my SS and loved the looks and sound. I am currently leaning towards the Stainless works long tubes for my Z.
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Old 06-13-2014, 09:02 PM   #13
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Go with the Kooks. I installed mine myself with a jack and stands. It's easier with air tools, but not impossible with hand tools it just takes way longer. Perfect fitment and excellent quality. Pretty sure Borla headers only come in 1 3/4" primaries, so that alone should exclude them from your list.
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Out of the two, I'd pick Kooks for sure. However, I wouldn't pick either on my own.

For quality on a budget, I'd pick Stainless Power. Kooks 1 7/8" won't outperform them by much if at all - hell, SP may outperform Kooks for all we know - and they are half the price.

For quality at a higher price point, I'd pick LG. I feel their 1 7/8" headers are superior to both ARH and Kooks - the other two premier top-tier brands - at a similar price point. I was incredibly impressed by their initial release thread, the detailed video showing the parts and I think they have the best merge collectors available from what I've seen.

If money is truly no issue, I'd consider getting stepped Kooks 1 3/4" -> 1 7/8" from Maryland Speed. They are by far the most expensive due to very limited availability, but they're probably the best overall performers on the market for those not going into extreme horsepower builds.

Just my opinion. I will not be putting LT's on my car anytime soon because I want to keep my warranty, but if I were to buy headers today I'd go with Stainless Power because I feel they provide the best quality, value and performance per dollar from a brand you can trust.
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If you're running cats with long tubes, it will not void your warranty. Not unless you run mid pipes and get it tuned
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Old 06-13-2014, 11:49 PM   #16
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If you're running cats with long tubes, it will not void your warranty. Not unless you run mid pipes and get it tuned
All longtubes will throw a Check Engine Light.

Vehicles will not pass state inspection with a CEL. You will need to get a tune to remove that problem. Longtube headers require a tune.

Any and all tunes void your GM warranty.

Therefore, LT's void your warranty. Or you'll never legally drive your car on roads in states with inspection. Solo cats and shorties are really the only option to keep your warranty.
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Might as well go with the best... AR Headers
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Old 06-14-2014, 12:02 AM   #18
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Might as well go with the best... AR Headers
I'm pretty darn impressed by these.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ight=super+pro

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ight=super+pro

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http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346825

Maybe I'm a sucker for shiny things, but if I had the coin and didn't care about my warranty I'd go this route.
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American Racing Headers hands down.
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Old 06-15-2014, 03:00 PM   #20
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I want good HP gain with a deep muscle car rumble sound for my SS! If there isn't much of a difference between the HP gains then my question would be which one has that deeper rumble sound?
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Kooks because you can switch mid pipes. If you want an awesome deal, call us at the number in the sig
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