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Old 04-21-2013, 08:10 PM   #26
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Ok most replies on here are 100% right, but to be straight! Forward it's basically a mod to give some hp gain 2-10hp(depending on which CAI) even with no aftermarket exhaust u get alil more rumble( sounds better) and when u pop ur hood open to show it looks better then just a black box( appearance) and increase in MPG ( a long as u don't drive like me cause you won't see that lol ) and if u want real increases in performance get ( headers, exhaust, tune) that's just my 2cents
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http://www.vararam.com/camaro-vs-comp.html this pretty much gives some testing details
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If you look on this topic, I just posted the difference that switching from a K&N to a CAI inc w/ADM race scoop, to an ADM w/Race Intake wscoop! I definitely like the ADM CAI and race scoop over any others. It will give you the lowest IAT's and it also puts your MAF inside your sealed air box instead of leaving it out!!

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Old 04-21-2013, 10:36 PM   #29
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I definitely like the ADM CAI and race scoop over any others. It will give you the lowest IAT's and it also puts your MAF inside your sealed air box instead of leaving it out!!
That's not necessarily a good thing. By moving the IAT sensor to the box, you're not fueling the proper IAT for the air entering the engine. Does it really matter what the IAT reading is if it's not being accurately accounted for by the PCM?

OP. You don't NEED a CAI at all. However, they CAN provide a very good cost/benefit ratio. The better CAI's will net you in the 12-15whp range. If you take a cost of $350-400, that comes to $23-33/HP which is a good ratio.
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k and n filter clean or not has no gains sorry to burst your bubble
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Yeah they used to be great and big hyped, but now there are so many better options out there.

I think K&N sell some today just with their name.

I think Cold Air Inductions got the best name for what they sell haha
WHAT??? You people smoke crack? How many cold air kit companies use K&N filters? answer: a butt ton. K&N is probably the best bang for the buck cause Camaro 5 forum nutswings off cold air induction incs nuts!!!! I think CAI (the brand) is a ripoff! Metal hot piping for $4-$500? El PASS- O!


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WHAT??? You people smoke crack? How many cold air kit companies use K&N filters? answer: a butt ton. K&N is probably the best bang for the buck cause Camaro 5 forum nutswings off cold air induction incs nuts!!!! I think CAI (the brand) is a ripoff! Metal hot piping for $4-$500? El PASS- O!


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Used to be a big K&N user, but I had two filters that fell apart when I was cleaning them. Yes I was using K&N cleaning solution and using gently running water. After that I quit using their products and moved to stock filters.

Then when I got my camaro I bought COld air inductions because of the power gains and like most say, you get what you pay for. I'm a strong believer in that.
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My k&n actually was very good quality but it was a bit restrictive the Vararam on the other hand it feels awesome!
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I'm new to upgrading newer cars and I guess you can say set in my ways. My question is why do I need CAI? I'm having trouble understanding why I need something that cost so much for such little gains that I feel I can get from a clean K&N filter. I don't see where I'm getting any extra air coming in that would justify needing that setup. Can anyone please explain to me why I need it other than "New cars just need it" or "It is needed with headers because u need the extra air coming in because of the exhaust going out." All input will be greatly appreciated.
If you cant see the difference in the maze the air has to go through and the restrictive pipe they put on the car stock then you need new glasses before you get a CAI.

The stock tube is designed for quietness not performance.
if you want the car to breath you need a CAI flat out.
a lame K&N filter in the stock setup will do nothing at all.

a GOOD CAI is an absolute 15-20hp no BS. this is not snake oil.

There are neutral studies posted here that show the gains No BS.
The car drives completely different with more power across the entire band after the change.
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If you cant see the difference in the maze the air has to go through and the restrictive pipe they put on the car stock then you need new glasses before you get a CAI.

The stock tube is designed for quietness not performance.
if you want the car to breath you need a CAI flat out.
a lame K&N filter in the stock setup will do nothing at all.

a GOOD CAI is an absolute 15-20hp no BS. this is not snake oil.

There are neutral studies posted here that show the gains No BS.
The car drives completely different with more power across the entire band after the change.
I also noticed the throttle response is damn near instant. My tune helps, but I think once I get my longtubes I will notice a huge change
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WHAT??? You people smoke crack? How many cold air kit companies use K&N filters? answer: a butt ton. K&N is probably the best bang for the buck cause Camaro 5 forum nutswings off cold air induction incs nuts!!!! I think CAI (the brand) is a ripoff! Metal hot piping for $4-$500? El PASS- O!


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David any credibility you ever had just went out the window..
CAI INC, Rotofab and Vanaram are the only names even worth mentioning in Camaro Cold Airs.
ALL produce consistently high numbers and do what they are designed to do.

Whenever you are ready to bring your "beast" to hang with real cars we will be sure to show you.

Tired of your constant Cheerleading and down talking of everything but your dealer and it's partners.
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If you look on this topic, I just posted the difference that switching from a K&N to a CAI inc w/ADM race scoop, to an ADM w/Race Intake wscoop! I definitely like the ADM CAI and race scoop over any others. It will give you the lowest IAT's and it also puts your MAF inside your sealed air box instead of leaving it out!!
+1 after doing this the car inhales like a tornado under heavy acceleration.
and the scoop is high quality metal not flimsy.
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I don't want it because of the price to gain ratio. I will buy it if anyone can honestly explain to me why I need but so far no one can other than saying the camaro just needs it. I recently ordered the 1 7/8 TSP long tube headers with off road extensions and within the next month or 2 I will be ordering a cam from them as well.
if 300 bucks for 15HP scares you then you better just hand the keys back to the dealer.
this is the cheapest HP to be had on the Camaro flat out.

and it is a key piece to the puzzle in the end.
you cant make power if you arent getting air into that engine.
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if 300 bucks for 15HP scares you then you better just hand the keys back to the dealer.
this is the cheapest HP to be had on the Camaro flat out.

and it is a key piece to the puzzle in the end.
you cant make power if you arent getting air into that engine.
+1 or just leave it stock and don't mod at all everything else that you add to it will definitely benefit from a cai no matter who makes it whether its Vararam,cai,rotofab,etc. Its a supporting mod you will NEED it if can+heads hence abbreviation h/c/I.
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WHAT??? You people smoke crack? How many cold air kit companies use K&N filters? answer: a butt ton. K&N is probably the best bang for the buck cause Camaro 5 forum nutswings off cold air induction incs nuts!!!! I think CAI (the brand) is a ripoff! Metal hot piping for $4-$500? El PASS- O!


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The way I read the OP's post was that he has the K&N OEM replacement filter. That filter, however well it may or may not flow, shows ZERO HP gains over the OEM filter. That isn't a reflection of the filter but the restrictive airbox it's inside of. Yes many companies use the K&N cone filter but they gain HP by building a better intake system, not just a better filter. For the record, the S&B filter that came with my Halltech Yellowjacket is considerably better than the K&N cone filter.

Now if you want to say the K&N OEM replacement filter is the best bang for your buck, then you're completely WRONG.
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15-20HP for $350 is the best ratio you're going to get, pair it with Long tubes and they are the most HP per $ mods.
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David any credibility you ever had just went out the window..
CAI INC, Rotofab and Vanaram are the only names even worth mentioning in Camaro Cold Airs.
ALL produce consistently high numbers and do what they are designed to do.

Whenever you are ready to bring your "beast" to hang with real cars we will be sure to show you.

Tired of your constant Cheerleading and down talking of everything but your dealer and it's partners.
whoah, what??? Credibility? My dealer? huh? I post on here as an individual, and my opinions are my own based on my 15 yrs + of modifying my personal cars.Als my experience is based upon what I learned from Callaway cars, Hennessey performance engineering, working in a Chevrolet Service dept, and working with technicians EVERYDAY! I'm not a fan of metal intakes and cold air intakes by themselves are a joke. I don't buy a cold-air intake kit based on it's numbers alone. I've ALWAYS stated its a building block mod and there is TOO MUCH FOCUS on JUST the INTAKE alone!!!(escpecially on Camaro5)
I don't like mis-information and speak up when I feel it's being posted on threads.

I will gladly bring my new '13 1LE out to more events when it arrives. I have a mileage cap on my current '12 before it's traded in and has been parked for a month.

Yes I prefer my brands, we all do. I was joking and sarcastic about the CAI (the brand) intakes.

Lighten up
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whoah, what??? Credibility? My dealer? huh? I post on here as an individual, and my opinions are my own based on my 15 yrs + of modifying my personal cars.Als my experience is based upon what I learned from Callaway cars, Hennessey performance engineering, working in a Chevrolet Service dept, and working with technicians EVERYDAY! I'm not a fan of metal intakes and cold air intakes by themselves are a joke. I don't buy a cold-air intake kit based on it's numbers alone. I've ALWAYS stated its a building block mod and there is TOO MUCH FOCUS on JUST the INTAKE alone!!!(escpecially on Camaro5)
I don't like mis-information and speak up when I feel it's being posted on threads.

I will gladly bring my new '13 1LE out to more events when it arrives. I have a mileage cap on my current '12 before it's traded in and has been parked for a month.

Yes I prefer my brands, we all do. I was joking and sarcastic about the CAI (the brand) intakes.

Lighten up
And that is the issue there was NO misinformation given other than your own.

CAIs do and have been proven as such to add a substantial gain to stock cars as the stock tubing is absolute crap designed to silence the airflow rather than letting it breathe as a well designed CAI does.

this is not debatable and has been proven independently many times now.
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I don't want it because of the price to gain ratio. I will buy it if anyone can honestly explain to me why I need but so far no one can other than saying the camaro just needs it. I recently ordered the 1 7/8 TSP long tube headers with off road extensions and within the next month or 2 I will be ordering a cam from them as well.
I really don't care what you put or don't put on your car. I don't understand why you are willing to spend the money for long tube headers with off road extensions with plans to install a cam, yet you put up a huge stink about spending $350 for a C.A.I.

A C.A.I. was the first thing many of us added to our Camaro's. It adds h.p., it adds a deeper sound to the exhaust and it also looks damn damn nice. If you don't want one, it is your car so don't put one on.

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Interesting fact:

Callaway Cars uses K&N filters on their cars. They have been recognized by General Motors as the ONLY Offical tuner of Corvettes Camaros and trucks. You can take museum delivery on a Callaway Corvette at the Corvette museum. They have their own drop ship BAC too (only dealerships have a BAC, other than Callaway Cars)
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OP, keep us updated with the results without a CAI.

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David any credibility you ever had just went out the window..
CAI INC, Rotofab and Vanaram are the only names even worth mentioning in Camaro Cold Airs.
ALL produce consistently high numbers and do what they are designed to do.
I'll add Halltech to this list. It did more than the CAI in the test FYI. For the price, the K&N is a good deal.
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Callaway Cars uses K&N filters on their cars. They have been recognized by General Motors as the ONLY Offical tuner of Corvettes Camaros and trucks. You can take museum delivery on a Callaway Corvette at the Corvette museum. They have their own drop ship BAC too (only dealerships have a BAC, other than Callaway Cars)
And your point?
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I don't want it because of the price to gain ratio. I will buy it if anyone can honestly explain to me why I need but so far no one can other than saying the camaro just needs it. I recently ordered the 1 7/8 TSP long tube headers with off road extensions and within the next month or 2 I will be ordering a cam from them as well.
Then U WILL need a CAI
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Callaway Cars uses K&N filters on their cars. They have been recognized by General Motors as the ONLY Offical tuner of Corvettes Camaros and trucks. You can take museum delivery on a Callaway Corvette at the Corvette museum. They have their own drop ship BAC too (only dealerships have a BAC, other than Callaway Cars)


who cares..
overpriced and under-performing, and no a factory warranty doesn't make up for it.

Any of the awesome shops on this board can build a car that will squash a Callaway for much less, and guess what all of them are using a CAI of some sort not just a filter.


K&N used to be the poop back when there was no one else worth a damn.

K&N filters are great for what they are.. they are a 1 time fee for a high flow reusable filter..
nothing else..

If the tubing getting the air to that filter is obstructed or not ideal it doesn't matter how well your filter flows..
that is what a CAI fixes.
the garbage air intake path that these cars have on them stock.
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