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Old 04-21-2013, 08:04 PM   #18
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Go to the Engine Mod section of these forums and you see very quickly that a CIA, Long Tube headers, Exhaust and a tune will be very noticable!
By far the best MODS you can do for the money! Just a CIA not much there but you add the other three! they all go perfect together and it will be a totaly different car. Go to that forum and read around. You'll learn alot. Good section. Personaly I wouldn't do a CIA if I didn't plan on doing the others. Your helping letting air in but it still has to go out.
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Old 04-21-2013, 08:18 PM   #19
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Anyone who's telling you "You Don't need it" Doesn't understand how an internal combustion engine works.
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Old 04-21-2013, 08:35 PM   #20
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Thanks for the input guys. I really appreciate everything and I will be buying a CAI.
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Old 04-21-2013, 08:43 PM   #21
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Your engine is basically a big air pump. The greater the volume of air you can efficiently suck in and blow out the more power you can make. The thing you have to keep in mind is that your engine is a system of systems and each one effects and builds on the other. If you upgrade one area and not the others then you will not see the full benefit of that upgrade.



Thanks for the help and clarity, I have another question you might be able to help with. I'm wanting to order a cam in the next few months and have been looking at TSP LS3 231/236 or the LS3 235/239. I'm wanting a cam that is almost too big for street but not quite big enough for the track. As you familiar with these cams or are the any other cams you might recommend?
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Old 04-21-2013, 08:49 PM   #22
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it's well worth the money, it looks good, it sounds good, it frees up a lot of space under the hood which makes maintenance much easier, you'll be glad you bought it and it will pay for itself is gas savings over the years, not to mention replacing paper filters. Do it right, just buy the whole intake, you've got a $25,000 car, a $300 intake is a drop in the bucket.
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Old 04-21-2013, 08:55 PM   #23
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k and n filter clean or not has no gains sorry to burst your bubble
IMO k&n is crap.
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Old 04-21-2013, 08:57 PM   #24
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IMO k&n is crap.
Yeah they used to be great and big hyped, but now there are so many better options out there.

I think K&N sell some today just with their name.

I think Cold Air Inductions got the best name for what they sell haha
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:10 PM   #25
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Vararam!!! Ftw lol I had a k&n and I can tell the Vararam is just a different sense of power all together.
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:10 PM   #26
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Ok most replies on here are 100% right, but to be straight! Forward it's basically a mod to give some hp gain 2-10hp(depending on which CAI) even with no aftermarket exhaust u get alil more rumble( sounds better) and when u pop ur hood open to show it looks better then just a black box( appearance) and increase in MPG ( a long as u don't drive like me cause you won't see that lol ) and if u want real increases in performance get ( headers, exhaust, tune) that's just my 2cents
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:16 PM   #27
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http://www.vararam.com/camaro-vs-comp.html this pretty much gives some testing details
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Old 04-21-2013, 10:52 PM   #28
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If you look on this topic, I just posted the difference that switching from a K&N to a CAI inc w/ADM race scoop, to an ADM w/Race Intake wscoop! I definitely like the ADM CAI and race scoop over any others. It will give you the lowest IAT's and it also puts your MAF inside your sealed air box instead of leaving it out!!

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Old 04-21-2013, 11:36 PM   #29
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I definitely like the ADM CAI and race scoop over any others. It will give you the lowest IAT's and it also puts your MAF inside your sealed air box instead of leaving it out!!
That's not necessarily a good thing. By moving the IAT sensor to the box, you're not fueling the proper IAT for the air entering the engine. Does it really matter what the IAT reading is if it's not being accurately accounted for by the PCM?

OP. You don't NEED a CAI at all. However, they CAN provide a very good cost/benefit ratio. The better CAI's will net you in the 12-15whp range. If you take a cost of $350-400, that comes to $23-33/HP which is a good ratio.
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Yeah they used to be great and big hyped, but now there are so many better options out there.

I think K&N sell some today just with their name.

I think Cold Air Inductions got the best name for what they sell haha
WHAT??? You people smoke crack? How many cold air kit companies use K&N filters? answer: a butt ton. K&N is probably the best bang for the buck cause Camaro 5 forum nutswings off cold air induction incs nuts!!!! I think CAI (the brand) is a ripoff! Metal hot piping for $4-$500? El PASS- O!


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WHAT??? You people smoke crack? How many cold air kit companies use K&N filters? answer: a butt ton. K&N is probably the best bang for the buck cause Camaro 5 forum nutswings off cold air induction incs nuts!!!! I think CAI (the brand) is a ripoff! Metal hot piping for $4-$500? El PASS- O!


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Used to be a big K&N user, but I had two filters that fell apart when I was cleaning them. Yes I was using K&N cleaning solution and using gently running water. After that I quit using their products and moved to stock filters.

Then when I got my camaro I bought COld air inductions because of the power gains and like most say, you get what you pay for. I'm a strong believer in that.
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My k&n actually was very good quality but it was a bit restrictive the Vararam on the other hand it feels awesome!
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:10 AM   #33
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I'm new to upgrading newer cars and I guess you can say set in my ways. My question is why do I need CAI? I'm having trouble understanding why I need something that cost so much for such little gains that I feel I can get from a clean K&N filter. I don't see where I'm getting any extra air coming in that would justify needing that setup. Can anyone please explain to me why I need it other than "New cars just need it" or "It is needed with headers because u need the extra air coming in because of the exhaust going out." All input will be greatly appreciated.
If you cant see the difference in the maze the air has to go through and the restrictive pipe they put on the car stock then you need new glasses before you get a CAI.

The stock tube is designed for quietness not performance.
if you want the car to breath you need a CAI flat out.
a lame K&N filter in the stock setup will do nothing at all.

a GOOD CAI is an absolute 15-20hp no BS. this is not snake oil.

There are neutral studies posted here that show the gains No BS.
The car drives completely different with more power across the entire band after the change.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:13 AM   #34
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If you cant see the difference in the maze the air has to go through and the restrictive pipe they put on the car stock then you need new glasses before you get a CAI.

The stock tube is designed for quietness not performance.
if you want the car to breath you need a CAI flat out.
a lame K&N filter in the stock setup will do nothing at all.

a GOOD CAI is an absolute 15-20hp no BS. this is not snake oil.

There are neutral studies posted here that show the gains No BS.
The car drives completely different with more power across the entire band after the change.
I also noticed the throttle response is damn near instant. My tune helps, but I think once I get my longtubes I will notice a huge change
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