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Old 11-23-2013, 09:55 PM   #18
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What if the tune just does speed corrections, and removes the governor?
It wouldn't matter, to them its 1's and 0's. They aren't going to start dissecting what the tune did, just that it was done. It's not open for interpretation from gm's point of view.
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Old 11-23-2013, 09:57 PM   #19
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Nice write up chase. This is exactly why I'm looking at the kooks lt's with green cats and no tune. I don't mind voiding my exhaust warranty, but don't want to void entire powertrain for the time being.
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Old 11-24-2013, 05:38 PM   #20
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I have a tune and my rear end was replaced under warranty.

I have a tune, headers, intake, tb, HF cats, and my rear end clunking noise could not be fixed by changing the fluid/friction modifier.

When the dealer decided they wanted to open up the rear end, they had to send the file to GM containing a snapshot or w/e of ecu. GM gave them the go ahead, even with my tune, and they replaced the ENTIRE rear end. Total would have been $1,750 and I got a new rear end with the rest of the car at 25k miles.

So dont give up hope if you think your mods or tune actually didnt cause the damage.
Absolutely. Like I said in the opening post the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)) still applies. They can not deny a warranty repair unless the issue in question is the direct result of the tune.

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Nice write up chase. This is exactly why I'm looking at the kooks lt's with green cats and no tune. I don't mind voiding my exhaust warranty, but don't want to void entire powertrain for the time being.
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:22 PM   #21
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Has anyone looked into buying an additional ECM and tuning it is a good work around? Id think that switching that out would work.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:34 PM   #22
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Has anyone looked into buying an additional ECM and tuning it is a good work around? Id think that switching that out would work.
would be interested in this as well
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:30 PM   #23
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Has anyone looked into buying an additional ECM and tuning it is a good work around? Id think that switching that out would work.
Doesn't work.

There are too many variables that are synced between the ECM, BCM, and PCM. Once GM pulls the ECM they'll see none of the variables line up.

That and you'll be hard pressed finding a dealer that'll program a second ECM to your VIN
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Old 01-02-2014, 03:23 PM   #24
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Doesn't work.

There are too many variables that are synced between the ECM, BCM, and PCM. Once GM pulls the ECM they'll see none of the variables line up.

That and you'll be hard pressed finding a dealer that'll program a second ECM to your VIN
My dealer actually told me to do this. Mod friendly. They told me they would make sure all the numbers matched if I proceeded with a dyno tune and long tube headers for my car. The dealership stated they have done this on all the camaros in their performance department. If anything goes wrong with the car they will swap the computer with the stock one thats been untouched.
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My dealer actually told me to do this. Mod friendly. They told me they would make sure all the numbers matched if I proceeded with a dyno tune and long tube headers for my car. The dealership stated they have done this on all the camaros in their performance department. If anything goes wrong with the car they will swap the computer with the stock one thats been untouched.
I'm willing to bet that GM won't care what they "told" you. They'll still void your powertrain warranty.
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My dealer actually told me to do this. Mod friendly. They told me they would make sure all the numbers matched if I proceeded with a dyno tune and long tube headers for my car. The dealership stated they have done this on all the camaros in their performance department. If anything goes wrong with the car they will swap the computer with the stock one thats been untouched.
That dealer is committing fraud. Good luck with that.
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My dealer actually told me to do this. Mod friendly. They told me they would make sure all the numbers matched if I proceeded with a dyno tune and long tube headers for my car. The dealership stated they have done this on all the camaros in their performance department. If anything goes wrong with the car they will swap the computer with the stock one thats been untouched.
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That dealer is committing fraud. Good luck with that.
I would be leery of doing it even if the dealer told you to and that they would help. If push came to shove I doubt they would admit involvement. Sometime you just have to pay to play.
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I've thought about a spare ECU/PCM whatever you call it.

But then there is OnStar...

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Old 01-03-2014, 01:24 AM   #29
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I've thought about a spare ECU/PCM whatever you call it.

But then there is OnStar...

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Doesn't work. They are all linked.
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Old 01-03-2014, 11:08 AM   #30
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This is the reason I have my T/A. I can understand GM not warranting any car that's been tuned. Just like Samsung wont warranty a laptop that's been opened. Or a phone that's been rooted.

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That is an excellent comparison.
First statement in this thread you made that I disagree with Chase.

The warranty on laptops and cell phones do not have anything like the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, in effect.

Don't forget what you stated earlier: "If you get a tune and then have an engine or drive train problem you are most likely going to have a serious uphill battle. The thing to keep in mind is that the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)) still applies. They can not deny a warranty repair unless the issue in question is the direct result of the tune. If there is no link then they have to honor the warranty. If there is you are on the hook."

Many think and feel that GM is just out to screw them over if they do *any* mods and then have trouble, they are not, they will honor the warranty if you deal with them honestly.

You will find many instances where this is so, I am an example, my LS3 engine was replaced under warranty due to a faulty lifter destroying the block even though I had numerous drive train and suspension mods including a tune. GM concluded my actions did not cause the lifter failure, that it was a defective part and they replaced the engine under warranty.

Mods can and do sometimes cause problems, however if you have problems and it is not caused by your changes, odds are GM will cover it, being honest open and reasonable under such circumstances will help your odds drastically.
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I have email communications from my Chevy dealership and the GM district manager stating that a speedo recal tune and 3.91 gear install from a local performance shop will not void my powertrain warranty.

I know that's not quite the same as a performance tune, but I know a lot of guys on here are saying that even a speedo recal tune will be treated the same way as a performance tune by GM = voided warranty.

Getting to this point with my dealership required some discussion, since they first told me that any modification would void the warranty. I don't think they even know how to recalibrate a speedometer. Once I got past the initial superficial "we know everything" barrier, they were very understanding and easy to work with. Anyway, I'm happy with the response I received and am much more comfortable now going forward with my 3.91 gear install.
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I have email communications from my Chevy dealership and the GM district manager stating that a speedo recal tune and 3.91 gear install from a local performance shop will not void my powertrain warranty.

I know that's not quite the same as a performance tune, but I know a lot of guys on here are saying that even a speedo recal tune will be treated the same way as a performance tune by GM = voided warranty.

Getting to this point with my dealership required some discussion, since they first told me that any modification would void the warranty. I don't think they even know how to recalibrate a speedometer. Once I got past the initial superficial "we know everything" barrier, they were very understanding and easy to work with. Anyway, I'm happy with the response I received and am much more comfortable now going forward with my 3.91 gear install.
Good info. That has been a big question for a lot of people. If you can, post the email.
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I would be leery of doing it even if the dealer told you to and that they would help. If push came to shove I doubt they would admit involvement. Sometime you just have to pay to play.
Either way pay to play I will. The dealership said they would do it. Their call if I go that route and do the work through them. Will I? Probably not. Most likely them trying to earn business. I could careless what their motives or offers are. If they go that route it is up to them to make that fraud move not mine. Honestly I am not having them do the work. As you stated pay to play. I would rather have the work done right anyways. After what the dealership did to my car when it went in for warranty work I wouldnt let them touch it in the aftermarket world. The reason I commented is me just stating places will do it was all. Fraud is a correct termn though. I 100% agree
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