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Old 04-25-2013, 01:29 AM   #1
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Alright so not too long ago, I decided I was going to get into detailing my car a little more seriously. So I went out and bought a pc, some microfiber pads, some polish and decided to try my hand at polishing. I've yet to do much just because school has me busy. Well school ends in 2 weeks for me and I have all summer to play around with products and such.

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Here's where I need your guys help. I'm looking into a few foam pads for polishing (I want to test foam vs microfiber to see what I like best), I want a foam pad for applying wax or sealant, and that's it for now I think. So which should I buy for these purposes and how much of each should I look into?

Yes I think I've caught the detailing bug
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If you go to autogeeks or autopia and get to where the pads are, you should find a nice list of the colored pads and what their best suited for. Black or red is what they recommend for waxes and sealants. One or two should be plenty. You can probably get a package deal on several pads, if you want to try a few different ones out. I have Orange, Yellow, white, and black pads. I like the Lake Country pads.

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This is what I would recommend:

http://www.autopia-carcare.com/flat-pads-6-pack.html

1/2 orange, 2/3 white, 2 blue.

Mark one blue pad with a BF on the back and use it for your BFWD. I say that because once you use BFWD on a pad, you will never get it all out. That will forever be a BFWD pad, which is fine. You still have another blue pad to mess with other waxes and sealants.
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I assume you can't just throw the foam pads into the washer like you can the microfibers so anything special I should do to clean them?

Okay, so I'd do compound with orange and polish with white? And apply wax or sealant with blue?
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I assume you can't just throw the foam pads into the washer like you can the microfibers so anything special I should do to clean them?

Okay, so I'd do compound with orange and polish with white? And apply wax or sealant with blue?
Correct. Cleaning foam pads is the worst part of detailing. It's the bane of my existence and a huge part of the reason I use almost exclusively MF discs now.

Anyway, to clean, what I do is dunk them in water, spray some APC on the pad, and scrub it with a brush like this (which you should already have for your MF pads anyway). Sometimes it helps to soak them in a bucket of water with some APC as well. Polishes come out easier than sealants for obvious reasons. They make special pad cleaning bucket things, but I've never used one.

Orange- cutting
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Blue- sealant, liquid waxes, etc. You can also use a blue pad (or a gray) to apply a jeweling polish like SF4500. The pads have no cut and soft composition so it really allows you to finesse that last little bit of shine out of the paint when you want to go balls-out crazy car show finish.

On my vehicle, and for certain clients with a discerning eye and deeper pockets, I do my cutting and polishing with MF discs followed by a final polish with a blue pad and SF4500.
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Correct. Cleaning foam pads is the worst part of detailing. It's the bane of my existence and a huge part of the reason I use almost exclusively MF discs now.

Anyway, to clean, what I do is dunk them in water, spray some APC on the pad, and scrub it with a brush like this (which you should already have for your MF pads anyway). Sometimes it helps to soak them in a bucket of water with some APC as well. Polishes come out easier than sealants for obvious reasons. They make special pad cleaning bucket things, but I've never used one.

Orange- cutting
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Blue- sealant, liquid waxes, etc. You can also use a blue pad (or a gray) to apply a jeweling polish like SF4500. The pads have no cut and soft composition so it really allows you to finesse that last little bit of shine out of the paint when you want to go balls-out crazy car show finish.

On my vehicle, and for certain clients with a discerning eye and deeper pockets, I do my cutting and polishing with MF discs followed by a final polish with a blue pad and SF4500.
Alright, thanks! I've seen the pad cleaning bucket by grit guard but for 130, I don't think I can justify the price since I only really do this to my car. I've been wanting to try out sf4500, how do you like it? Does it justify the $40 price tag?
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Not Matt, but Sf4500 is pretty much one of the best finishing polishes out there!
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Alright, thanks! I've seen the pad cleaning bucket by grit guard but for 130, I don't think I can justify the price since I only really do this to my car. I've been wanting to try out sf4500, how do you like it? Does it justify the $40 price tag?
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Not Matt, but Sf4500 is pretty much one of the best finishing polishes out there!
^^The man speaks the truth. It's phenomenal if you want to go the extra mile and you have a set of 1% eyeballs (you see things 99% of people never would). Certainly not necessary to go to that extent for a great finish, but it really will push it over the top. It's also nice if your car doesn't really have any swirls or anything major and you just want to spruce up the paint.

So say you polish your car out to perfection and 6 months later you have kept swirls and damage to an absolute minimum and you just get a wild hair up your ass and want to restore the "pop," this is what you'd reach for.

My advice is put that $40 to better use with more necessary detailing supplies, then add these "nice to have" items when you're stocked up and have a little extra cash.
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Not Matt, but Sf4500 is pretty much one of the best finishing polishes out there!
No worries, I was looking for your opinions as well!

Might have to invest in that one too then
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No worries, I was looking for your opinions as well!

Might have to invest in that one too then
If you have the extra money, go for it. But if you are on a budget and allocating money to best bang for buck items, I agree with the below


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^^The man speaks the truth. It's phenomenal if you want to go the extra mile and you have a set of 1% eyeballs (you see things 99% of people never would). Certainly not necessary to go to that extent for a great finish, but it really will push it over the top. It's also nice if your car doesn't really have any swirls or anything major and you just want to spruce up the paint.

So say you polish your car out to perfection and 6 months later you have kept swirls and damage to an absolute minimum and you just get a wild hair up your ass and want to restore the "pop," this is what you'd reach for.

My advice is put that $40 to better use with more necessary detailing supplies, then add these "nice to have" items when you're stocked up and have a little extra cash.
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Do you guys have any recommendations of bang for the buck items? I've been reading a lot about the carpro eraser. Seems like the same thing as an ipa wipedown but don't really know.
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Do you guys have any recommendations of bang for the buck items? I've been reading a lot about the carpro eraser. Seems like the same thing as an ipa wipedown but don't really know.
Hands down best bang for the buck item is ONR.

Eraser is the same idea as IPA. Supposedly more effective, but I've never had a problem with plain old IPA

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Do you guys have any recommendations of bang for the buck items? I've been reading a lot about the carpro eraser. Seems like the same thing as an ipa wipedown but don't really know.
let's see... assuming you've listed all you have above:

Blackfire Midnight Sun is my overall all time favorite wax taking in consideration everything price, packaging, ease of use, etc.

Chemical guys soaps are some of the cheapest and most effective. I don't recommend anything else from them though.

Meguiar's D156 is my favorite spray wax (although in reality it is a spray sealant). Pretty cheap too.

ONR is the best rinseless and not badly priced either.

Looking for something specific? CD07 has that huge list, but that's his best of category list not best bang for buck list.

As for eraser, I wouldn't bother unless you are going to be applying a coating.
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let's see... assuming you've listed all you have above:

Blackfire Midnight Sun is my overall all time favorite wax taking in consideration everything price, packaging, ease of use, etc.

Chemical guys soaps are some of the cheapest and most effective. I don't recommend anything else from them though.

Meguiar's D156 is my favorite spray wax (although in reality it is a spray sealant). Pretty cheap too.

ONR is the best rinseless and not badly priced either.

Looking for something specific? CD07 has that huge list, but that's his best of category list not best bang for buck list.

As for eraser, I wouldn't bother unless you are going to be applying a coating.
Have you used ONRWW? Wondering if it would be a better option.

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I recently picked up Sonax net shield and the beading is awesome. I was it wary of applying it as some said it was tough, but I had no issues. Beading is crazy, but it is a bit steep for a sealant.

also make sure to use coupon codes you can easily find 15-20% off for autogeek, autopia, detailers domain. Always helps to save money or as an excuse to buy more and most of those websites will let you add a free sample of certain items, on any purchase above $50.
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Hands down best bang for the buck item is ONR.

Eraser is the same idea as IPA. Supposedly more effective, but I've never had a problem with plain old IPA

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I was actually looking at ONR today. I'd need more microfibers though. It might buy more microfiber too... Can never have too many of those

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let's see... assuming you've listed all you have above:

Blackfire Midnight Sun is my overall all time favorite wax taking in consideration everything price, packaging, ease of use, etc.

Chemical guys soaps are some of the cheapest and most effective. I don't recommend anything else from them though.

Meguiar's D156 is my favorite spray wax (although in reality it is a spray sealant). Pretty cheap too.

ONR is the best rinseless and not badly priced either.

Looking for something specific? CD07 has that huge list, but that's his best of category list not best bang for buck list.

As for eraser, I wouldn't bother unless you are going to be applying a coating.
Blackfire Midnight Sun is a good one. I've been looking for a good carnuba as well. I want to have as much sheeting as possible though. I like the new blackice but can't bring myself to pay that price for it. Maybe it'll go on sale sometime and I'll snatch it up.

What about a good trim dressing? I had been using svrt that I bought a while ago but I just ran out of it. I need something that will at least last for awhile. I clean my mom's honda element too and it's one of the early models where a lot of the van is big plastic trim. It's a pain

Looks like this... Look at all that trim I have to coat lol

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Blackfire Midnight Sun is a good one. I've been looking for a good carnuba as well. I want to have as much sheeting as possible though. I like the new blackice but can't bring myself to pay that price for it. Maybe it'll go on sale sometime and I'll snatch it up.
BFMS is carnauba. It has synthetic ingredients in it too, but I'm guessing it's mostly carnauba.

Zymol Glasur (I hear, never used it personally) apparently has the best sheeting for a pure carnauba wax.

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What about a good trim dressing? I had been using svrt that I bought a while ago but I just ran out of it. I need something that will at least last for awhile. I clean my mom's honda element too and it's one of the early models where a lot of the van is big plastic trim. It's a pain

Looks like this... Look at all that trim I have to coat lol
I will refer you to a review of something that is very high on my list of things to get:

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...ux-review.html

After you see his review, look to page 4 to see how it is faring great AFTER 6 MONTHS!!!

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Have you used ONRWW? Wondering if it would be a better option.
Indeed I have. It's up to you really. ONRWW is slicker and the wax seems to last about a week or so. I don't mind waxing so really I use whichever is closer to me (ONR or ONRWW).
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BFMS is carnauba. It has synthetic ingredients in it too, but I'm guessing it's mostly carnauba.

Zymol Glasur (I hear, never used it personally) apparently has the best sheeting for a pure carnauba wax.



I will refer you to a review of something that is very high on my list of things to get:

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...ux-review.html

After you see his review, look to page 4 to see how it is faring great AFTER 6 MONTHS!!!



Thank you sir, much appreciated
The CQuartz DLux looks really promising! The longevity seems to be really good!

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Have any of you tried the permanent tire coating tuf shine makes? I have it just haven't had time to actually use it yet.
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The CQuartz DLux looks really promising! The longevity seems to be really good!



How do you like the longevity on ultima?
It's fantastic. I would get easily 4 months on tires and even more on trim






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Have any of you tried the permanent tire coating tuf shine makes? I have it just haven't had time to actually use it yet.
I'm like you, have it still sitting in the box lol. I've only used the brush.



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I've used the brush and the cleaner. The cleaner is phenomenal though. Even after I clean with Adam's APC at full strength and it looks clean, the tuff shine cleaner gets more dirt and grime out.
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What about for interior? To clean upholstery and such. I really need something there. As well as a really good interior cleaner. I like werkstat satin prot but are there any interior sealants or things like that?
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What about for interior? To clean upholstery and such. I really need something there. As well as a really good interior cleaner. I like werkstat satin prot but are there any interior sealants or things like that?
I've been experimenting with GTechniq W2 lately. That stuff is pretty interesting and versatile. Works well on upholstery.

Ultima interior guard plus is a sealant.

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Have another question and didn't think it deserved a whole other thread. I currently have 2 microfiber polishing pads and 1 compounding one. Should I buy more or will those allow me to do the whole car?
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