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Old 05-30-2013, 08:28 PM   #201
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I wasn't suggesting it as a cure. If it modifies the behavior maybe it may offer another clue.
I know. Just having a bit of fun, and you might be right about it leading to something else.
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Old 05-30-2013, 10:25 PM   #202
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I know. Just having a bit of fun, and you might be right about it leading to something else.
It's all good. Any news on yours yet?
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Old 05-31-2013, 05:17 AM   #203
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It's all good. Any news on yours yet?
It is at the dealer, splitter installed and detailed for delivery tonight. I went after work to see it, but they had it out filling it up. I then went back after my wife and I took care of some business and they had it locked up inside. We will see it, and drive it (never have driven a 1LE before) tonight when we pick it up. I did not sleep much last night! Are they holding CHP at Commerce?

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Old 05-31-2013, 06:11 AM   #204
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Just in time for the weekend and CHP in ATL.
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Old 05-31-2013, 08:04 AM   #205
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Just in time for the weekend and CHP in ATL.
That would be fun, but it is too far from Brunswick. I am thinking I am going to get the synth oil out tomorrow, start the 500 mile break-in period, and put a coat of wax on the car. That along with the usual lawn work!
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Old 06-01-2013, 10:30 AM   #206
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That would be fun, but it is too far from Brunswick. I am thinking I am going to get the synth oil out tomorrow, start the 500 mile break-in period, and put a coat of wax on the car. That along with the usual lawn work!
The worst thing you can do to a new car is change the oil.
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Old 06-01-2013, 10:39 AM   #207
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I wouldn't be afraid to change just the filter at that mileage and top it off.


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Old 06-01-2013, 02:31 PM   #208
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I was just thinking,we 2013 1SS guys have been waiting for awhile to get the issues worked out with the wiring,so we could hook up the 4 pack gauges.Ofer from Gen5diy resolved that issue,and i now have my working gauges.Since apparently he is one smart dude,maybe he is the guy who can resolve this issue?
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Old 06-03-2013, 12:44 PM   #209
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So i spent a couple of hours at the dealership this weekend with the service tech. The results are less than i hoped for. First off, i confirmed that the HSA comes on in reverse when facing dowhill. It just needs a steeper hill than facing uphill. Because of this and the fact that the 3-axis accelerometer is used for the stabilitak system as well, the dealership would only recalibrate to a true zero because of liability concerns, which is understandable.
One thing i did learn about the system is that works differently than others have reported. It dosn't hold the brake pressure that you stopped the car with, instead it looks at the incline of the hill and calculates the brake pressure needed to hold the car and uses that. Based on that, if the zero calibration is off, it would be using the wrong pressure.
After re-zeroing the sensor, it might be a little better but far from satisfactory. Taking off on my test incline repeatedly, ignoring the 2 sec delay and using just enough power to overcome the brakes caused my clutch to start burning after the fourth time.
The service tech. has been in contact several times with the factory and is on our side, but he said they have no interest in changing anything at this time.
My suggestion is for everyone to go to their respective dealerships and complain to the service department. For me, i'll continue to use the parking brake to the first click until i can play the the sensor angle. Hopefully, i can find a setting that keeps HSA from coming on for most of the hills i drive while still allowing me to backup on level ground.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:44 PM   #210
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So i spent a couple of hours at the dealership this weekend with the service tech. The results are less than i hoped for. First off, i confirmed that the HSA comes on in reverse when facing dowhill. It just needs a steeper hill than facing uphill. Because of this and the fact that the 3-axis accelerometer is used for the stabilitak system as well, the dealership would only recalibrate to a true zero because of liability concerns, which is understandable.
One thing i did learn about the system is that works differently than others have reported. It dosn't hold the brake pressure that you stopped the car with, instead it looks at the incline of the hill and calculates the brake pressure needed to hold the car and uses that. Based on that, if the zero calibration is off, it would be using the wrong pressure.
After re-zeroing the sensor, it might be a little better but far from satisfactory. Taking off on my test incline repeatedly, ignoring the 2 sec delay and using just enough power to overcome the brakes caused my clutch to start burning after the fourth time.
The service tech. has been in contact several times with the factory and is on our side, but he said they have no interest in changing anything at this time.
My suggestion is for everyone to go to their respective dealerships and complain to the service department. For me, i'll continue to use the parking brake to the first click until i can play the the sensor angle. Hopefully, i can find a setting that keeps HSA from coming on for most of the hills i drive while still allowing me to backup on level ground.
Thanks for the info. I see now that the calibration may vary between cars, so those who claim to have no problems may be be benefitting from an "off" factory calibration. I know that mine has caused me to burn a bit of clutch unexpectedly a couple of times, and it's embarrassing since I learned to drive in a standard back in about '73/'74 and have been driving them since.

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Old 06-06-2013, 10:55 AM   #211
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For now I've been putting it in 2nd gear and after quickly 1st and a quick release of the clutch..works good for now! But this Hill assist is really the worst thing I've ever experienced in a car, seriously.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:18 AM   #212
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I am sure that living in coastal Georgia which is very flat has a lot to do with it, but I have only felt it come on once, and it worked great. No complaints here yet, but we have had the car less than a week.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:52 AM   #213
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It's a stupid feature. I talked to some rep from GM today about it. She was saying that it's a safety feature but she didn't like when I told her it's the most worthless "feature" you could possibly put on a performance vehicle.

After driving cars with manual transmissions for over 16 years, I really didn't like their answer of "it's something you'll have to learn to adjust to".
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Old 06-07-2013, 01:04 AM   #214
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I recently took a trip through Northern Arizona and on the road that leads up to a little town called Jerome, a Goldwing took a spill and I was stuck in traffic for a hour on a pretty steep grade. Since I live in Phoenix, I've never been on a hill where HSA engages. On this trip, it made things a hell of a lot easier. Even before I had this car, if I saw a car roll back before accelerating, I always gave it room. Not everybody does that, including this big Ford truck behind me that day. My experience was that HSA worked perfectly. I guess it's hit or miss.

Take a look at this in Google Earth and imagine having to slowly roll up it during 45 minutes in traffic.
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:17 AM   #215
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HSA is definitely tied into the yaw sensor, which is located directly beneath the rear cupholder. I've currently disabled my HSA, along with all my electronic nannies, but I don't think anyone will want to do what I did, lol
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:50 AM   #216
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HSA is definitely tied into the yaw sensor, which is located directly beneath the rear cupholder.
Thanks for pinpointing the location OzzySS. I have a different yaw sensor (without lateral-accelerometer) waiting for me to install when I get back from travel this week.

This should kill the HSA without any adverse affects. If all goes well, I'll post a little write-up on it.
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:54 AM   #217
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I recently took a trip through Northern Arizona and on the road that leads up to a little town called Jerome, a Goldwing took a spill and I was stuck in traffic for a hour on a pretty steep grade. Since I live in Phoenix, I've never been on a hill where HSA engages. On this trip, it made things a hell of a lot easier. Even before I had this car, if I saw a car roll back before accelerating, I always gave it room. Not everybody does that, including this big Ford truck behind me that day. My experience was that HSA worked perfectly. I guess it's hit or miss.

Take a look at this in Google Earth and imagine having to slowly roll up it during 45 minutes in traffic.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=jerom...,+Arizona&z=18
Nobody is saying that there aren't any situations where it would be helpful (noting that the severity of the situations where it will be found helpful will vary among different people).

Only that you should not be forced to have it without the ability to turn it off.

FWIW, in a 45 minute uphill slog, there is no need to creep forward a foot or two just because the moron in front of you thinks he's making real progress by doing so. Eventually, even the moron behind you will catch on (and if we're really lucky, he'll remember it).


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Old 06-07-2013, 06:30 AM   #218
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Thanks for pinpointing the location OzzySS. I have a different yaw sensor (without lateral-accelerometer) waiting for me to install when I get back from travel this week.

This should kill the HSA without any adverse affects. If all goes well, I'll post a little write-up on it.
N/p. I thought about doing the same. Let me know how it works out for ya!
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Only that you should not be forced to have it without the ability to turn it off.
I've noticed that's the way all things work these days. Cars, Google, Windows, etc. Forced progress, right? If your opinion doesn't match at least 50% of the whole, your opinion is irrelevant. The customer should always be right.

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FWIW, in a 45 minute uphill slog, there is no need to creep forward a foot or two
It wasn't like that. Nobody could see around the curve so everyone was clueless which resulted in a random car turning around every five minutes. Believe me, there's nothing I hate more than people who come to a stoplight and creep... creep.... creep....... I stay put until it's time to move.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:20 PM   #220
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Ugh...HSA struck again today. Trying to pull out of the grocery store parking lot, almost stalled after waiting a couple seconds because it didn't release and then almost launched into traffic trying to keep it from stalling!

This POS feature is going to cause me safety issues versus preventing one. I'm still pissed that their solution is to get used to it.
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Old 06-07-2013, 09:48 PM   #221
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N/p. I thought about doing the same. Let me know how it works out for ya!
It worked! I installed the yaw-sensor used in automatic Camaros this evening, and have successfully banished the Hill-Nanny. Everything else works as normal.

Part number 13578326 on the right is the new sensor which lacks the longitudinal-accelerometer that triggers HSA.

Now Hill-Nanny can go live with Skip-Shift Nanny in exile.

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Old 06-07-2013, 10:25 PM   #222
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It worked! I installed the yaw-sensor used in automatic Camaros this evening, and have successfully banished the Hill-Nanny. Everything else works as normal.

Part number 13578326 on the right is the new sensor which lacks the longitudinal-accelerometer that triggers HSA.

Now Hill-Nanny can go live with Skip-Shift Nanny in exile.
I would like to more about this - cost, install difficulty, etc. I would really like to know that changing it out only affects the HSA.
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Old 06-07-2013, 10:47 PM   #223
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Definitely need more details!!
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Old 06-07-2013, 10:55 PM   #224
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:13 PM   #225
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Something has changed my car's HSA characteristics since new - I just did a fair amount of back-to-back-to-back driving with my other MT cars and my driving style on hills with the Camaro is the same as the other non-HSA cars. My Camaro used to wait the full two seconds or jerk rather violently if I overcame the brake pressure with throttle. Now it is way more civilized and releases the brakes with the combination of clutch and throttle. I have no explanation for the change.

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