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Old 04-28-2013, 12:13 AM   #1
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New Camaro Owner- Love/hate

Last month I bought my first new car in more than 10 years. 2013 Victory Red, 2SS, RS, Black Rally Stripes, Hurst short throw, Dual mode. Overall, I love the car. Now i'm still in the break in period, but I find there are a few things that bug me and one thing I hate. I'm not wild about CAGS, or Hill start assist. The big problem is I HATE the Pirelli P Zeros. Many moons ago I auto crossed and road raced so I'm pretty sensitive to the overnight flat spotting and the loss of grip as the temperature drops. Even when warm, I find them mediocre on roll in and grip, fair to poor in the wet. Short version, the car deserves better tires.
I've called the dealer (many miles away in KC) no help, except to say "we hear this all the time about these tires". They did have their accessory guy call me. He left me a voice mail that basically told me that "buying new tires are expensive" (doesn't sound like any special deal in the offing). I did send Chevy an e-mail and while I was busy they left me a voice mail and an e-mail. So...anybody have any experience on such a situation? Were they any help? I'd be willing to put up a few more bucks to get off these bad tires, but not too many .... I did just drop most of my cash on the car.
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:24 AM   #2
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You're first post is supposed to be introducing yourself and giving us pics of your car. Not bashing the Pirellis
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:27 AM   #3
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They aren't likely to just replace them free or at a discount. They will likely give you a decent price (my local dealer will price match) on new tires, but you will be out of pocket for new tires. I don't see that they are bad enough to simply replace them, but it's your car and your tires.

The P-Zeros at one time were very highly rated, especially in comparison to the other available 20" tires. Tire technology is always changing, and now most brands carry a 20" tire. The last tire review I remembering seeing (last summer I believe), of the dozen or so tires tested, the P-Zeros were towards the bottom of the list. In any case, there are numerous options available now.
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:29 AM   #4
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Well, you do know I'm about out of cash!
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:32 AM   #5
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I wasn't looking for them to be free, but if they can give me a deal I'd go for it. I feel like I missed the details on my pre-purchase homework, so it's frustrating and somewhat embarrassing. I'll be paying more attention to tire performance on my next car purchase, but it's likely to be an SUV... not quite the same degree of criticality to handling / performance.
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Then I guess you will be keeping the P-Zeros. You should be able to get 20,000+ miles out of them.
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:44 AM   #7
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I won't keep them 20K. I have a nephew that says he wants them as his tires are bald. So if I can get a deal on some new ones and get the nephew off bald tires it could be good all around.
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Old 04-28-2013, 01:12 AM   #8
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Welcome to this site and congrats on the new SS. To be honest with you most people (myself included) don't know about these tires like you do. With the kind of racing experience such as yours then it makes sense that you can find the pros and cons of these rubbers a lot easier than the average Joe. GM knows that and it's clear because of the tires they are planning on putting on the new Z/28. Btw I'm surprised that even being in Dallas you still notice the cold tires. SoCal (Orange County) streets heat up quickly daily and I know Dallas isn't Canada.
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Old 04-28-2013, 01:50 AM   #9
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I don't race my car but never noticed a problem with these tires on the road And I live in northern jersey. The only thing that they really aren't good for is when its snowing outside. Anything else I have no issues.
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I am in SC, and it is the overnight flat spotting that I hate about these tires. However, I am not ready to buy a new set of 21" tires.
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Old 04-28-2013, 10:24 AM   #11
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We have had some late cold snaps here (into the 30s in the morning, climbing to 70s in the afternoon) so I've had a chance to see what the "delta T" did to the tires. I haven't raced in years, but it sticks with you. Thanks for the compliment Palutz59, but " back in the day" I could have figured these tires out in less than 20 miles, it took me about 500 before I really was disappointed in them. Although the first 300 was highway with my kids in the car, so no pushing it there. The flat spotting is probably worse for me, I'm an airline pilot so the car sits for two or three days then is driven for 3 or 4. Still the flat spotting is the worst, the vague roll in is a close second. It's unacceptable for a Camaro to have vague roll in and a Cadillac CTS to be so precise.
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Old 04-28-2013, 10:55 AM   #12
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A performance alignment should wake up the rubber. It will cause a bit more wear.
Suspension / Brakes / Chassis

Personally I like the P-Zeros. They feel like a good compromise between wets and drys. When cold, sh$t. 60-70F
Stickier is going to be more wear, but you know that.


CAGS can be avoided.
HSA, I don't know.
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Old 04-28-2013, 11:19 AM   #13
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Being a former autocrosser and road racer, did you consider the 1LE package? Just curious. WX CAVU to you.
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The big problem is I HATE the Pirelli P Zeros. Many moons ago I auto crossed and road raced so I'm pretty sensitive to the overnight flat spotting and the loss of grip as the temperature drops. Even when warm, I find them mediocre on roll in and grip, fair to poor in the wet. Short version, the car deserves better tires.
I've called the dealer (many miles away in KC) no help, except to say "we hear this all the time about these tires". They did have their accessory guy call me. He left me a voice mail that basically told me that "buying new tires are expensive" (doesn't sound like any special deal in the offing). I did send Chevy an e-mail and while I was busy they left me a voice mail and an e-mail. So...anybody have any experience on such a situation? Were they any help? I'd be willing to put up a few more bucks to get off these bad tires, but not too many .... I did just drop most of my cash on the car.
Your opinion is you hate the tires.
They are a summer performance tire, and not a "cheap" tire by any means.
That is the tire Chevy puts on the car, and of course you are free to replace them with another brand/type of your choice.
But don't expect Chevy to pay for them or give you a discount.

The tires have went through extensive testing, and passed all requirements Chevy held them too.
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Old 04-28-2013, 11:54 AM   #15
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I got 3 sets of rims , 1 has my snow tires on them , 1 set of rims has my all-seasons on them , and my other set have a set of worn out all season that I am going to put p-zero's on them .
It might sound like a lot of $ to invest , But once you get the rims you are going to use your rubber no matter what, Look into the used wheels/tires section here , there are some nice deals sometimes .
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Old 04-28-2013, 11:59 AM   #16
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I did strongly consider 1LE, but at this point in life I don't see any auto cross in my future and I have 2 kids that I take to school/track meets/ swim meets and practices so a little more "street-ability" was desirable. If I did get one, I was going to peal the hood wrap and go rally stripes on it. seems a little silly just to get what you want, but i'm in the same boat right now. A few years back I sold my '91 ZR1 Corvette because I wasn't using it. I couldn't pick up both kids from school and while I'm not bringing pipe and lumber home with it, I feel like I can pick up some stuff at Home Depot when I'm in the Camaro. In the final analysis it called to me, but not enough.
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You're first post is supposed to be introducing yourself and giving us pics of your car. Not bashing the Pirellis
I have to agree with Adam for a change.

From what I understand the dealer is in KC and you are in Dallas? I would guess they have no incentive to give you a deal on tires since you won't be a service customer.
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You're first post is supposed to be introducing yourself and giving us pics of your car. Not bashing the Pirellis

His choice on his first post, not yours!
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:07 PM   #19
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Man, 3 sets of rims and all that hassle. I'm not up for that. I'd sell the car and get something else first.
As for the testing and requirements, the 787 met all of Boeings tests too. As did the Cadillac 8-6-4 back in the day. It's less a question of their testing than their customer service. I'm not expecting Lexus level response. But they do have a disappointed customer, they at least need to know that.
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:23 PM   #20
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Overnight flat spotting?

My car sat from December to march during winter and I barely noticed any. Drove a few miles and it was fine.


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Old 04-28-2013, 01:40 PM   #21
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Again, I'm pretty sensitive to it, but I had them demonstrate flat spotting when they sat outside a restraunt for 2 hours. It was low ambient, mid 40s or so. Still, makes me nostalgic for 1970s truck tires with nylon cords. Ahhh, 3 on the tree.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:12 PM   #22
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Again, I'm pretty sensitive to it, but I had them demonstrate flat spotting when they sat outside a restraunt for 2 hours. It was low ambient, mid 40s or so. Still, makes me nostalgic for 1970s truck tires with nylon cords. Ahhh, 3 on the tree.
I know what you mean, they are just made to last too long. They also like to thump when they are cold. Thump thump thump just like most factory tires.

It will get better, when you pick out your own tires for it.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:14 PM   #23
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I broke down and bought the Continental Extreme contact DWS tires when the Pirellis got worn out. They are great, Ultra High Performance all season tires, but they are also very pricey.
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Old 04-28-2013, 03:43 PM   #24
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I was leaning strongly toward Goodyear Eagle GT, but I'll give the Conti's a look. Not too impressed with Pirelli obviously, so I won't look at them. And historically haven't had good grip out of Michelin, The Miche's on the CTS are unlike any others I've driven so I might consider them, but they are still down the list a ways.
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There are a few people that have the Nittos and Michellin Pilots and love them. I considered those also, but wanted higher mileage tires.
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