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Old 05-12-2013, 12:50 PM   #35
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Should of gotten the 1le!
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Old 05-12-2013, 01:09 PM   #36
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Probably should have stuck with a Mini van or PT Cruiser ...
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Old 05-12-2013, 02:05 PM   #37
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Last month I bought my first new car in more than 10 years. 2013 Victory Red, 2SS, RS, Black Rally Stripes, Hurst short throw, Dual mode. Overall, I love the car. Now i'm still in the break in period, but I find there are a few things that bug me and one thing I hate. I'm not wild about CAGS, or Hill start assist. The big problem is I HATE the Pirelli P Zeros. Many moons ago I auto crossed and road raced so I'm pretty sensitive to the overnight flat spotting and the loss of grip as the temperature drops. Even when warm, I find them mediocre on roll in and grip, fair to poor in the wet. Short version, the car deserves better tires.
I've called the dealer (many miles away in KC) no help, except to say "we hear this all the time about these tires". They did have their accessory guy call me. He left me a voice mail that basically told me that "buying new tires are expensive" (doesn't sound like any special deal in the offing). I did send Chevy an e-mail and while I was busy they left me a voice mail and an e-mail. So...anybody have any experience on such a situation? Were they any help? I'd be willing to put up a few more bucks to get off these bad tires, but not too many .... I did just drop most of my cash on the car.
The CAGS is easy to get rid of, just buy a $12 CAGS eliminator on e-bay. Takes about 5 minutes to install. I don't think the Hill Start Assist is going to be so easy to get rid of. If you could simply turn it off, I don't think all these people would be on here complaining about it. Everybody seems to hate it. I don't think you're going to get much help from GM because you don't like your tires. After all, they're the ones who decided that these would be the best tires for the car and you bought the car with those tires on it, so it's your tires that you don't like now. Just replace them with something that you do like. If it were me, I'd wait until they're worn out. It won't take long. They don't wear that well either. Or you could replace them now and sell the old ones. There's quite a lot of demand, since they wear so quickly. Your call.
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Old 05-12-2013, 02:27 PM   #38
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It is well known that the P-Zeros suck as the temperatures drop. But in warmer weather (summer conditions), they usually have excellent grip. Some guys even complain about having a hard time getting them to spin during the hot months of the year.

But most guys that are really into performance get aftermarket wheels (stock wheels are pretty heavy at 32 - 34 lbs) and better tires (suited to what type of performance their focused on).

Also, aggressive driving (occasional burnouts) and the P-Zeros may only last 8K miles or so. And the P-Zeros like to be heated up for increased traction (despite what most people say about street radials)
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Old 05-12-2013, 02:32 PM   #39
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Overnight flat spotting?

My car sat from December to march during winter and I barely noticed any. Drove a few miles and it was fine.


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Old 05-12-2013, 02:46 PM   #40
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Last month I bought my first new car in more than 10 years. 2013 Victory Red, 2SS, RS, Black Rally Stripes, Hurst short throw, Dual mode. Overall, I love the car. Now i'm still in the break in period, but I find there are a few things that bug me and one thing I hate. I'm not wild about CAGS, or Hill start assist. The big problem is I HATE the Pirelli P Zeros. Many moons ago I auto crossed and road raced so I'm pretty sensitive to the overnight flat spotting and the loss of grip as the temperature drops. Even when warm, I find them mediocre on roll in and grip, fair to poor in the wet. Short version, the car deserves better tires.
I've called the dealer (many miles away in KC) no help, except to say "we hear this all the time about these tires". They did have their accessory guy call me. He left me a voice mail that basically told me that "buying new tires are expensive" (doesn't sound like any special deal in the offing). I did send Chevy an e-mail and while I was busy they left me a voice mail and an e-mail. So...anybody have any experience on such a situation? Were they any help? I'd be willing to put up a few more bucks to get off these bad tires, but not too many .... I did just drop most of my cash on the car.
You should go test drive a Mustang GT. talk about poor performance oem tires those are far worse. I found the P Zeros acceptable here in Az but its never cold here.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:22 PM   #41
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Latest update. GM Corporate Bulletin Number 03-03-10-007G. Information on Tire/Wheel Characteristics (Vibration, Balance, Shake, Flat Spotting) of GM Original Equipment Tires (Jul 13, 2012).
The document acknowledges the flat spotting problem and mentions that some tires have nylon overlays, not sure if this applies to p-zero. Got a call from GM help center but was unable to take it. Will try and get in touch with them tomorrow.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:24 PM   #42
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Damning with faint praise, but you're nicer about it than I am.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:41 AM   #43
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I don't have plans to track my car, but the 1LE package was too good of a deal to pass up. I always wonder when I see someone with a non 1LE 2013 why they chose that route. There is really no negative aspects of the 1LE package.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:33 AM   #44
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I was stretching the budget to reach 2SS. Took several pay cuts over the last 10 years, and company I work for is now coming out of BK. Thing are looking up finally, but ZL1, and 1LE was just a bridge too far. Love the wheels though.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:29 AM   #45
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I don't have plans to track my car, but the 1LE package was too good of a deal to pass up. I always wonder when I see someone with a non 1LE 2013 why they chose that route. There is really no negative aspects of the 1LE package.
Haha. In that case you could wonder why everyone didnt buy the ZL1, no negative aspects there either.

Oh yeah, money.


Im definitely not impressed with the P-Zeros. I would also rate them at "acceptable".
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:34 AM   #46
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I was stretching the budget to reach 2SS. Took several pay cuts over the last 10 years, and company I work for is now coming out of BK. Thing are looking up finally, but ZL1, and 1LE was just a bridge too far. Love the wheels though.
For what it is worth, the 1LE package cost just about the same as the 2SS upgrade over the 1SS. I guess its individual preference. For me the performance was much more important than the 2SS bells and whistles, so it was 1LE for me!
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:38 AM   #47
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Personally, this ongoing junk about flat spots is way overblown. Yes, I have felt them, but after some driving, they smooth out. It's the price you pay for a softer compound tire.

Oh, my I have a flat spot, that goes aay after a few miles of driving. Run for the hills, Storm the castle, let's burn 'em down.

Just thinking this is a bit of an over reaction.

But to each their own. I love my car, I love the handling, and I haven't had issues with these tires at all!
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:40 AM   #48
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Old 05-17-2013, 05:01 PM   #49
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To each their own is the surest truth.
As a pilot, I stay tuned in to feedback from the machine. I guess some think that's too much... so be it. I can't ignore the feedback, and I'm pretty sure when your in the back of my plane you don't want me to. Also, while i'm off on a trip, the car usually sits for 3 days. That probably causes more intense flat spotting so I'll admit this has at least two good reasons to be more of a problem for me than the usual owner.
I don't find these tires to be acceptable, I apologize to those that feel offended by such an audacious statement but I'm sure there a better tires than these and I'm sure there are worse.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:48 PM   #50
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Theres nothing wrong with a little flat spotting it rolls away pretty quickly and is indemic with softer rubber higher grip tires. Ours are low profile if your nostolgic for some old rubber you will feel like your floating with big balloons for tires and the cornering waiting to rip the wheel off the rim if you go to fast.........Thats the way older performance tires were and are with higher sidewalls. I use the tires in oregon, your in texas. Drive through the first pair then get what you want. I use them in heavy rain and even snow and you dont hear me rippin on em. Frankly I think the wear rating bites at 220 and will buy longer lasting probably stiffer tires next set with 440 or 480 wear rating all season performance and they may suck? And cost more.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:53 PM   #51
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You like them, that's great. But my standards for them are a lot different than yours, don't think you should have a problem that.... some folks drive Mustangs too. I also remember "older performance tires" a bit differently than you. I have a "Driver of the year 1982" plaque on my wall that was hard to win, but that might not be as far back as you meant. Watched many races from 1/4 dirt to F1 and lots in between, have yet to see anyone roll a tire off a bead. (Did see a guy lose a whole wheel assembly and finish a Solo 1 autocross run on the rotor).
I do think you'll be able to find tires that do a better job for you and perhaps with good tread life, but your probably right about the cost.
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