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Old 06-27-2013, 11:36 AM   #1
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Why can't GM offer closer to Mustang

I'm puzzled why a Mustang gets one engine and one automatic transmission and Camaro fans have to drop down to a 400 HP engine to get an automatic.
If the ZL1 can handle an automatic why not the LS3 ?
Also Mustang gets the good exhaust in the package and we have to pay 800 plus for the NPP. The short throw shifter is in all GT Mustangs where the short throw is an option in a Camaro, more bucks.
Mustang also offers 3:55 gears and 3:91 gears as an option where your only rear end choice with Camaro of a 3:91 is to go for the 1LE package.
Seems GM could tidy up the Camaro and have an even better car.
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:38 AM   #2
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the sales of the last 3 years or so, says otherwise. GM is doing fantastic on the Camaro.
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:58 AM   #3
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I'm puzzled why a Mustang gets one engine and one automatic transmission and Camaro fans have to drop down to a 400 HP engine to get an automatic.
If the ZL1 can handle an automatic why not the LS3 ?

Also Mustang gets the good exhaust in the package and we have to pay 800 plus for the NPP. The short throw shifter is in all GT Mustangs where the short throw is an option in a Camaro, more bucks.

Mustang also offers 3:55 gears and 3:91 gears as an option where your only rear end choice with Camaro of a 3:91 is to go for the 1LE package.
Seems GM could tidy up the Camaro and have an even better car.
1. It is done to avoid the gas guzzler tax. The ZL1 gets hit with this.

2. The Mustang does not have a dual mode exhaust, you are paying for some mechanical stuff with the NPP. Having a short throw shifter does not mean much when it is coupled to the crappiest Chinese Tranny on the planet.

3. I'd love me some gear choices for sure. 3:73 would be my choice.
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Old 06-27-2013, 12:09 PM   #4
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In 2009 -2010 the Camaro out sold the Mustang for the first time in like 25 yrs and it has every years since. Even without having a convertible over the first few.

SOMETHING works! May not be your choice but plenty of us here think its a better car than the Mustang. Of which I've owned about 15.
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Old 06-27-2013, 12:54 PM   #5
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As a mustang owner, the exhaust is still very quiet. Also, you have the option of 3.73 gears. I am not aware of any options from Ford for a 3.91 gear set. Ford Racing does put out a set of 4.10s and 4.56s though The auto mustang gets a 3.15 gear set. The engine technically gets the same power, but the losses are still higher and the gears are still taller.
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Old 06-27-2013, 01:26 PM   #6
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Despite all of that , I still choose my camaro over a mustang and others.

... and you can get the 3.91gears on any camaro just not from factory
And maybe some ppl dont really care for a short shifter
also the LS3 & L99 are close in 1/4times I believe
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Old 06-27-2013, 01:30 PM   #7
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Despite all of that , I still choose my camaro over a mustang and others.

... and you can get the 3.91gears on any camaro just not from factory
And maybe some ppl dont really care for a short shifter
also the LS3 & L99 are close in 1/4times I believe
LS3 is faster of course.


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Old 06-27-2013, 01:34 PM   #8
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I'm puzzled why a Mustang gets one engine and one automatic transmission and Camaro fans have to drop down to a 400 HP engine to get an automatic.
If the ZL1 can handle an automatic why not the LS3 ?
Also Mustang gets the good exhaust in the package and we have to pay 800 plus for the NPP. The short throw shifter is in all GT Mustangs where the short throw is an option in a Camaro, more bucks.
Mustang also offers 3:55 gears and 3:91 gears as an option where your only rear end choice with Camaro of a 3:91 is to go for the 1LE package.
Seems GM could tidy up the Camaro and have an even better car.

I'm wondering where you are getting the gear ratios from? The GT track package is 3.73, with 3.31 standard on the manual, and 3.15 on the auto. No 3.91 in sight.

Mustang exhaust has never been raved about. In fact reviews have said the Mustang is so quiet you wouldn't even realize it was a V8 without the GT labeling. Also if you are talking about "in cabin", they put in a special resonator because it's so damn quiet.

As far as the HP drop between the auto and manual, there are countless threads on the reasons why. It has to do with AFM, which the ZL1 and Mustang don't have. There are substantial changes required to make this happen, which unfortunately has the effect of some HP loss.
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Old 06-27-2013, 01:46 PM   #9
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There is 26HP difference from L3 to L99, so it's not a huge difference and I'm ok with not having to pay the gass guzzler tax.
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Old 06-27-2013, 03:33 PM   #13
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I'm puzzled why a Mustang gets one engine and one automatic transmission and Camaro fans have to drop down to a 400 HP engine to get an automatic.
If the ZL1 can handle an automatic why not the LS3 ?
Also Mustang gets the good exhaust in the package and we have to pay 800 plus for the NPP. The short throw shifter is in all GT Mustangs where the short throw is an option in a Camaro, more bucks.
Mustang also offers 3:55 gears and 3:91 gears as an option where your only rear end choice with Camaro of a 3:91 is to go for the 1LE package.
Seems GM could tidy up the Camaro and have an even better car.
Same could be said the other way

I'm puzzled why a Camaro gets a better engine and Mustang fans have to settle for less when we've been in the game and had the ability to respond to the 5th gen release.
If the Camaro 1LE can beat the Shelby around Willow Springs then why even mustang?
Also Camaro offers upgraded exhaust and we're stuck with no option.
Camaro's have independent rear suspension while we're still stuck with a live rear axle.
With all the advantages that the Camaro has, we're left to go aftermarket which means more bucks and more hassle.
Seems like GM's tidied up a bit and made the Camaro an even better car.

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Old 06-27-2013, 04:20 PM   #14
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I think GM is getting there. I agree Ford has lots more dealer installed and Ford aftermarket performance options. I think the longer the Camaro is around, we'll see more.
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:32 PM   #15
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Because GM spent a lot of time making such a sexy looking car!!! I mean just look at the sexy PHAT butt on the Camaro!!!
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Old 06-27-2013, 05:31 PM   #16
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I'm puzzled why a Mustang gets one engine and one automatic transmission and Camaro fans have to drop down to a 400 HP engine to get an automatic.
If the ZL1 can handle an automatic why not the LS3 ?
Also Mustang gets the good exhaust in the package and we have to pay 800 plus for the NPP. The short throw shifter is in all GT Mustangs where the short throw is an option in a Camaro, more bucks.
Mustang also offers 3:55 gears and 3:91 gears as an option where your only rear end choice with Camaro of a 3:91 is to go for the 1LE package.
Seems GM could tidy up the Camaro and have an even better car.

I agree that GM could have done better on the exhaust and I see no reason why they did not offer the LS3 in both manual and automatic but I am sure there were reasons.

The Mustang NEEDS the lower gears because of its smaller displacement engine. You need to get the rpms up higher to feel the power, not so much with the much larger 6.2 in the camaro.

Compared to the Mustang, I believe the Camaro is so much better as a comfortable driving car that there is no comparision between the two and when you put the power upgrades on, the camaro handles higher power much more comfortably then the mustang in my opinion.
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Old 06-27-2013, 05:32 PM   #17
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Most suck for the Mustanger's also...

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im sorry did you just compare chevy to ford, you should probobly just leave now
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Yes and Have you ever priced just a mustang g.t with the 5.o engine and put the options you want on it to make it handle and look half decent? You should know you would pay more for one than a fully loaded 2ss/rs by thousands and not have heated mirrors or auto dimming mirrors, or automatic headlights, or back up camera , head up display or this that and the other thing let alone IRS...... Chevy makes a better car.
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Seems like your not happy with all the options? I dont know seems pretty cool you can buy a Camaro from $23 K to $63 K , I like all the options
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Seems like your not happy with all the options? I dont know seems pretty cool you can buy a Camaro from $23 K to $63 K , I like all the options
theres another hidden model thats really hard to get. i "THINK" is in the 80-90k's. "COPO", deriving from the old Central Office Production Order cars. and they run 9's 1/4's off the line.
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theres another hidden model thats really hard to get. i "THINK" is in the 80-90k's. "COPO", deriving from the old Central Office Production Order cars. and they run 9's 1/4's off the line.
With only 138 made over 2 years not much chance of ever owning one:(

Besides the Mustang had special drag model the Cobra Jet.
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