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Old 02-25-2008, 09:02 AM   #101
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:41 AM   #104
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Those are DEFINITELY Brembo calipers.

I'll even go to far as to say those are the same calipers used on the 2004-2008 CTS-V. With the script on the side, they even look like parts-bin CTS-V units.

4 piston front, 4-piston rear. The Challenger, Charger, Magnum and 300C SRT models use a similar arrangement.

I hope those brakes are not limited to just a top of the line SS model. I'd LOVE to option those out on a Z28.
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Well now, we have conflicting reports from people who have posted insider information before. Or at least bits and pieces of such information. I think that this helps to confirm Camero's place as being who he claims. Anyone else with me on this?

This is an online and mostly anonymous forum. So that means about the only member we can be sure is speaking with any kind of authority would be Fbodfather. So everone else goes firmly into the category of "speculator". Even if Camero posted his paystub online we still couldn't verify the truth in his statements. So take it all with a grain of salt and respectfully agree or disagree. Hell, pick sides if you want. But don't make the mistake of thinking anyone is a credible source when it comes to what GM is doing with the Camaro. Unless we are repeating what GM already said. And we won't know for sure until GM says it.
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Old 02-25-2008, 03:26 PM   #106
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This is an online and mostly anonymous forum. So that means about the only member we can be sure is speaking with any kind of authority would be Fbodfather. So everone else goes firmly into the category of "speculator". Even if Camero posted his paystub online we still couldn't verify the truth in his statements. So take it all with a grain of salt and respectfully agree or disagree. Hell, pick sides if you want. But don't make the mistake of thinking anyone is a credible source when it comes to what GM is doing with the Camaro. Unless we are repeating what GM already said. And we won't know for sure until GM says it.
Of course. I could be a 14 year old kid, a 22 year old engineering student, or a 31 year old mechanic. Any of us can be anything regardless of our claims. We can all lie about anything we want. As a result, we need to take everything with a grain of salt as you suggested. But when people post technical information we need to know how big of a grain. The type of info that these people post has alot to do with thier credibility. The catch 22 of all this is, the only ones that could truly confirm that anything is true, are the others that make similar claims. But Fbodfather can't say much, neither can 3whiterag. I'm sure they know what engines the Camaro will get, as an example. But they can't tell us one way or the other. 80Zedder sounds like he is who he claims, we don't know. I could try to arrange to meet up with him while he's at work but then you would have to trust that I actually did that.

the whole point is, you can't trust everything but you need to trust somethings. Numerically, I would rate fbodfather at 99.99% reliable, 3whiterag at 99% (even though he doesn't say much), 80Zedder at 80% because we don't know much about him, Camero at about the same. But then we have RadCannon and CapitainSam. I put them at 50% at best. Nobody can really prove who they are, only show that its unlikely that they are lying.

anyhoo, back on topic
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Old 02-25-2008, 03:31 PM   #107
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The grill looks great. Just slap my SS on it and we're good to go. My only concern is the lack of a cowl hood. I see a little slope, but I fell in love with the cowl on the concept. I hope someone designs a nice cowl in the aftermarket if GM doesn't make one.
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Old 02-25-2008, 03:33 PM   #108
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And please everyone be Clear on this:

Those DGthe3 mentioned...there's nothing against you as a poster. We love all members we can get on this site - especially the good ones (And boy do we have great members, here). The only questioning is on the info you give. Similar ratings could be applied to the rest of us here (and I daresay that the credibility factor for us would be MUCH lower.
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Old 02-25-2008, 03:37 PM   #109
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Amen, I dont like all the B.S. that some people will put out there so others will just say "oh yeah he knows whats going on" if you know it you know it, I just love seeing whats going on with the camaro and guessing like the rest of yall on whats going to happen next!

oh and by the way I keep seeing the new photos and just loving every minute of it!!!!
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Old 02-25-2008, 03:58 PM   #110
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Well, I can say this for sure....just so everyone knows...I am not at all affiliated with the Camaro team, GM, or anything even remotely close to the automotive industry. Everything I say about the Camaro is based on observation and what I've read. It will either be common knowledge/assumed fact, opinion, or complete guess, but I will never pose as a person "in-the-know" (I can only wish for that.....lol).

I hope no one is really lying about who they are or what they do. I would love for that to be true, but I know that it may not be. Almost everything that is stated as Camaro fact on here has to be taken with a grain of salt, even the "spy pics" have to be viewed that way (I still believe that many of them are what GM wants you to see, not what some spy photographer managed to capture...different topic).

Anyway, I hope I'm considered "one of the good ones" that Dragon mentioned (even though I can provide no insider information). If not, then I'll have to work on that. It has been a lot of fun being a member of this group, "getting to know" a lot of you, and sharing the enthusiasm we all have for this incredible piece of machinery.
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Those DGthe3 mentioned...there's nothing against you as a poster. We love all members we can get on this site - especially the good ones (And boy do we have great members, here). The only questioning is on the info you give. Similar ratings could be applied to the rest of us here (and I daresay that the credibility factor for us would be MUCH lower.
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This is an online and mostly anonymous forum. So that means about the only member we can be sure is speaking with any kind of authority would be Fbodfather. So everone else goes firmly into the category of "speculator". Even if Camero posted his paystub online we still couldn't verify the truth in his statements. So take it all with a grain of salt and respectfully agree or disagree. Hell, pick sides if you want. But don't make the mistake of thinking anyone is a credible source when it comes to what GM is doing with the Camaro. Unless we are repeating what GM already said. And we won't know for sure until GM says it.

Camero is for real. (altho it hurts to read his name -- too many people misspell it as it is!!!)

(by the way, camero -- please drop me an email at my work addy so I know who you are -- I think I do -- but not 100 percent certain......)

Camero is also right when he says the lights aren't velcro'd or hot-glued in. I took a little bit of 'liberty' with that to illustrate that the lights are not production intent. (in fact we just received one of the marketing IVER units and it has plugs rather than lights) If you were to look closely at one of the mules, you WOULD think that they're production intent because the lights are enclosed in a finished black composite panel -- that covers the headlight "bucket" if you will............

Lights are NOT production.
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didn't you already tell us this...dont we all know this already???
not to be annoying ... my source tells me the lights aren't ready yet but you may have more knowledge as to what the lights actually look like... can you give a possible text description as to what they look like?
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Old 02-25-2008, 06:21 PM   #115
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...Maybe a little billet? Naw...too much weight.
You can say that again! I saw that grill in that exact spot in the shops and tried to pick it up and almost couldn't! I think they said it was like 70lbs or something like that! And when it was painted you couldn't even tell it wasn't plastic!
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once again, the "big boss apple sauce" himself tells once agin, those lights arent production. Thanks for the info fbodfather, even tho you've been pounding it into our heads, just joking

And now, we even know camero is the real deal! Well, now that we know that, maybe we should start listening to him too, and not just fbodfather.

But ive said it many times, this car is cool no matter what headlights it has!! Just be glad the famed Camaro is coming back, WITH AVENGENCE!!!
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Camero is for real. (altho it hurts to read his name -- too many people misspell it as it is!!!)

(by the way, camero -- please drop me an email at my work addy so I know who you are -- I think I do -- but not 100 percent certain......)

Camero is also right when he says the lights aren't velcro'd or hot-glued in. I took a little bit of 'liberty' with that to illustrate that the lights are not production intent. (in fact we just received one of the marketing IVER units and it has plugs rather than lights) If you were to look closely at one of the mules, you WOULD think that they're production intent because the lights are enclosed in a finished black composite panel -- that covers the headlight "bucket" if you will............

Lights are NOT production.
Thanks for clarification, once again.

And I just want to be clear. I only used Camero as an example. I, In no way, meant to insinuate that he was deliberatly lying or not to be trusted. It's just that we really can't verify anything that anyone says. Myself included.

Sincerely I meant no offense. And I apologize if my earlier post reads with any malice in it.
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... at 80% because we don't know much about him, Camero at about the same.
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(by the way, camero -- please drop me an email at my work addy so I know who you are -- I think I do -- but not 100 percent certain......)
Cool I felt my stock just go up! If this forum doesn't hear from me again it's because I emailed Scott and he had me silenced.

(Scott I almost said hi to you at the reveal in Engineering South last week but I don't think you have any idea who I am. But I'll say hi tomorrow just in case!)

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... my source tells me the lights aren't ready yet but you may have more knowledge as to what the lights actually look like... can you give a possible text description as to what they look like?
Well you've been told by several insiders that the orders from the top and the desire on the part of the entire design team was that nothing be changed from the showcar that didn't have to be.
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in other words... the lights are going to look like the concepts...??? i dont understand... i know most of the front clip will be minimally changed in the sense the shape will be retained but the lights, sidemarkers, even fogs and grill may change... but what the 'headlights' going to look like? the single halo/led/projector combo... or the multi faceted... or under glass etc... you tell me all i know is that they are not going to stay like that...
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Well you've been told by several insiders that the orders from the top and the desire on the part of the entire design team was that nothing be changed from the showcar that didn't have to be.
I'm glad to hear this from someone whom Scott said is for real And I'm happy for you that Scott vouched for you! It's nice to know that someone so close to the project (along with Scott) is posting on this forum with us It also makes me happy to know that there HAS to be a reason you spelled your username that way!! :P

When Scott said IVER units...what does that mean?? I'm missing something! And Scott, it's good to see you're on this board, too...I've found it to be a MUCH friendlier and more inviting atmosphere

CaptianSam...with all of the talk about the headlights...I'm pretty sure that if anyone was allowed to disclose what is planned for production...it would have been said by now...
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That is an awesome looking pic. One thing that I am thinking of from another thread though is the placement of the front plate bracket. Looks like the proper place would be right smack dab on the lower scoop. Might have to move to a one plate state. I have a question for you all. I thought I read that that the silver concept was damaged and they had to cancel its show tour. Anyone else hear or read that?
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Integration Vehicle Engineering Release.

Basically, it's a "beta" car that was mostly hand built using close, but not final, production parts. It'll have rough placeholders like the often discussed headlights. They're meant for testing the integration of the whole car as a completed system.

The next cars will be much closer to final. I think those are called MANVAL. Manufacturing validation. A low volume of cars built with parts meant to represent final production hardware. Once spy shots of those start to surface, you'll likely see things like production grilles, headlights, and paint colors besides white and black. Interior plastics and materials will fit better, have final texturing, and colors.
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Scott, thanks for that.
Camero...if I could shake your hand through the internet, I would.

I truly am sorry for any fustration we caused you. But you can hardly blame us for being over-cautious, right?

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Scott, thanks for that.
Camero...if I could shake your hand through the internet, I would.

I truly am sorry for any fustration we caused you. But you can hardly blame us for being over-cautious, right?

No hard feelings?

Ditto with me camero on one of the posts a while back. I apologize if I came off like a
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Integration Vehicle Engineering Release.

Basically, it's a "beta" car that was mostly hand built using close, but not final, production parts. It'll have rough placeholders like the often discussed headlights. They're meant for testing the integration of the whole car as a completed system.

The next cars will be much closer to final. I think those are called MANVAL. Manufacturing validation. A low volume of cars built with parts meant to represent final production hardware. Once spy shots of those start to surface, you'll likely see things like production grilles, headlights, and paint colors besides white and black. Interior plastics and materials will fit better, have final texturing, and colors.
Thanks a lot for the clarification! I wonder when the shots of the MANVAL cars will come out...oh the anticipation
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