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Old 02-25-2008, 09:26 PM   #126
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... at 80% because we don't know much about him, Camero at about the same
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I think that this helps to confirm Camero's place as being who he claims
I said that other bit first remember . . . but now after what Scott said, you are up there with him and 3whiterag at as close to being 100% as possible.
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Cool I felt my stock just go up! If this forum doesn't hear from me again it's because I emailed Scott and he had me silenced.
There's gonna have to be a set of protocols determined at GM for how employees can confirm/deny/hint people on the forums.
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:33 PM   #127
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...There's gonna have to be a set of protocols determined at GM for how employees can confirm/deny/hint people on the forums.
I'm pretty sure they already have disclosure agreements. If they didn't sign one when they were hired, they did when they were put on the Camaro project. I'm betting that online communications is covered in there.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:51 PM   #128
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My goodness, Camero. Let me know when enough of these guys have kissed your butt huh?
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:09 PM   #129
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My goodness, Camero. Let me know when enough of these guys have kissed your butt huh?
WELL!!!! After all the crap we put him through...I feel bad.
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:11 PM   #130
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Wow, I love men that can feel guilty
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:11 PM   #131
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:19 PM   #132
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I'm pretty sure they already have disclosure agreements. If they didn't sign one when they were hired, they did when they were put on the Camaro project. I'm betting that online communications is covered in there.
I don't think the problem is so much GM personnel, as 3rd party suppliers and such.

Anyone else familiar with the Corvette ZR1 leaks from last year?

Photos like this. The infamous warehouse photos that showed the engine.



These were reportedly from a guy who worked at the shipping company. Supposedly the Romulus Michigan police were called in to investigate and the guy got fired. Dunno how much was media hype and how much was true, but the photos were definitely real and showed the LS9 long before GM wanted us to see it.

The GMT900 studio leaks were similar. Someone, possibly from the security company that guards the studio, took photos of the until-then unreleased 2007 Escalade and Tahoe.



If you can't even trust your own security and shipping personnel, who can you trust?
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:21 PM   #133
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Wow, I love men that can feel guilty
Hey, if women can be fans of the Camaro then men can feel guilty



Oooo K we have gone a tad off topic now.

The thread is titled "New Snow-testing photo of Camaro Prototype (black-on-black grill)"

I love every shot of the new Camaro. I have yet to see it look bad, from any angle. Sure there have been poor quality shots, but I can see through that stuff. Regarding the front vent, I believe that it has a mesh screen behind it. So that could be part of what might make it look closed. That or the hood camo being tucked in behind.
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:41 PM   #134
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[QUOTE=DGthe3;47336]Hey, if women can be fans of the Camaro then men can feel guilty QUOTE]
That is a good thing!
This car will look good in any weather snow, sleet , rain and especially in the sunshine.
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:42 PM   #135
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Who was doubting Camero's credibility anyway? I thought we had already established that he knew what he was talking about! Especially with all the talk about the fuel door location and everything... But we've already burned that bridge I guess!


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Camero is also right when he says the lights aren't velcro'd or hot-glued in. I took a little bit of 'liberty' with that to illustrate that the lights are not production intent. (in fact we just received one of the marketing IVER units and it has plugs rather than lights) If you were to look closely at one of the mules, you WOULD think that they're production intent because the lights are enclosed in a finished black composite panel -- that covers the headlight "bucket" if you will............

Lights are NOT production.
WHAT?!? Those lights won't be on the production car?! Are you kidding me!? And I liked them so well!!!!












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Oooo K we have gone a tad off topic now.

The thread is titled "New Snow-testing photo of Camaro Prototype (black-on-black grill)"

I love every shot of the new Camaro. I have yet to see it look bad, from any angle. Sure there have been poor quality shots, but I can see through that stuff. Regarding the front vent, I believe that it has a mesh screen behind it. So that could be part of what might make it look closed. That or the hood camo being tucked in behind.
I'm just glad someone can finally hold their dang hand steady to take a pic! I would probably be shakin' all over too though!
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:04 AM   #136
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:19 AM   #137
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Nice job!! Even with all that stuff hanging all over the place on the car it looks mean
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:13 AM   #138
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Scott, thanks for piping up for Camero. I could only imagine how frustrating that could have been.

Camero, congrats on the recognition. I bet it feels a lot better now that people will knock it off when you say something and they want to doubt you. Also, seeing as though it was pretty obvious the billet grill wouldn't be making it (and it'll be some sort of plastic), ...awe heck. I'm sure you couldn't say anyway....nevermind.

Glad to hear the production model will be made as close as possible (halo's) to the original (halo's) concept so that we won't (halo's) be able to tell the difference (halo's)!!!



Oh...and Camero...seeing as though you are taking part in this whole 5th Gen production, ..............I guess I get to complain to YOU about the change in gas cap location!!!!!!




(yeah, yeah....I'm over it) *cough* drivers side *cough*
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:27 AM   #139
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hehe. can't let it go huh Tag. I admit it looks awesome, but I don't mind as long as I can blow the doors of my stepfather's porsche from a 30 ish roll and look just as nice...BETTER THAN his car doing it.
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:33 AM   #140
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Anyone else think its awesome that there are basically only 4 complaints (justified or not)
1) Gascap
2) Rear bumper
3) Headlights
4) Vent cut-outs

Out of the . . . hundreds of details, those four things have gathered 90% of the attention. And we don't even know everything about the headlights or rear vents yet. That is very very impressive. I almost feel bad for the engineers who had to make everything fit the design. But then again, they are engineers working on the Camaro. Therefore, I have no pitty for them, their worst day would still be pretty good in my books
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:47 AM   #141
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Oh, I let it go. But, if I knew complaining enough would eventually get it back on the drivers side, every post of mine would be a complaint!!! Nah..I can live with it....but I don't want to have to.

I can't say anything else until I see the production model. But, of those 4, they are very minor details...but can make a very big difference for the die hard 5th Gen enthusiast.
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Old 02-26-2008, 08:20 AM   #142
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Even going by that p-chop... I'd drive it. I don't care enough about the tiny details I've yet to see in person to really make a complaint. Come, what.. September? Then I'll make my assumptions. :P
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Old 02-26-2008, 09:12 AM   #143
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I dont feel bad... I believed Camero from the start... but, then again, I'm a mechanical engineer by education and can see how things would fit together during the design study and pre-production phase
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Thanks for clarification, once again.

And I just want to be clear. I only used Camero as an example. I, In no way, meant to insinuate that he was deliberatly lying or not to be trusted. It's just that we really can't verify anything that anyone says. Myself included.

Sincerely I meant no offense. And I apologize if my earlier post reads with any malice in it.

No offense taken! It's wise to be skeptical -- way too much bad info. out there!
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Cool I felt my stock just go up! If this forum doesn't hear from me again it's because I emailed Scott and he had me silenced.

(Scott I almost said hi to you at the reveal in Engineering South last week but I don't think you have any idea who I am. But I'll say hi tomorrow just in case!)
Hey -- come up and say hi ANYTIME! Remember -- it takes many many people to make this great car and you have a hand in it as well!!!!

Sorry I'm not at the meeting today -- stuck in Milwaukee!
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:25 AM   #146
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...And now, we even know camero is the real deal! Well, now that we know that, maybe we should start listening to him too, and not just fbodfather.
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Scott, thanks for piping up for Camero. I could only imagine how frustrating that could have been.

Camero, congrats on the recognition. I bet it feels a lot better now that people will knock it off when you say something and they want to doubt you. Also, seeing as though it was pretty obvious the billet grill wouldn't be making it (and it'll be some sort of plastic), ...awe heck. I'm sure you couldn't say anyway....nevermind.
My vote goes for the BILLET GRILL!!!!

Glad to hear the production model will be made as close as possible (halo's) to the original (halo's) concept so that we won't (halo's) be able to tell the difference (halo's)!!!
My vote also goes for the HALOS!!!!! lol


Oh...and Camero...seeing as though you are taking part in this whole 5th Gen production, ..............I guess I get to complain to YOU about the change in gas cap location!!!!!!




(yeah, yeah....I'm over it) *cough* drivers side *cough*

*cough*also voting for driver's side gascap*cough*

haha Tag, I love how inconspicuous you were with the headlights. I'm diggin' it!
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As a boy, I was obsessed with, and absolutely smitten by, the '69 Z/28, the '70 Boss 302, and the '70 AAR 'Cuda. You can imagine the youthful glee I felt when I saw the Concept Camaro introduced. I was so impressed by the concept cars faithfulness to the '69 Camaro. I was a bit doubtful you would retain the console gauges, or the cool dash layout. I was very glad to see you did. But while I was sweating the details, you went and changed the entire front end with those ugly projector headlights! What the hell were you thinking? That completely changes the character of the car. It no longer resembles the '69, or the concept for that matter. It looks like something from Japan! GM, I am begging you. Get this one right. You were so close. Don't screw it up now. I have been waiting to buy the new Camaro since the debut of the concept. I haven't wanted a car that badly since I was a teen. But hear me now. If you blow this design by building it with those ugly lights, I'll buy that damn Dodge Challenger instead. And I am GM guy! I own a CTS-V and a Sierra 3500! Please retain the concept camaro's headlight and grille design, or I'll have to by a Dodge. Al Bundy drives a Dodge, damnit, so please don't make me do that!
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As a boy, I was obsessed with, and absolutely smitten by, the '69 Z/28, the '70 Boss 302, and the '70 AAR 'Cuda. You can imagine the youthful glee I felt when I saw the Concept Camaro introduced. I was so impressed by the concept cars faithfulness to the '69 Camaro. I was a bit doubtful you would retain the console gauges, or the cool dash layout. I was very glad to see you did. But while I was sweating the details, you went and changed the entire front end with those ugly projector headlights! What the hell were you thinking? That completely changes the character of the car. It no longer resembles the '69, or the concept for that matter. It looks like something from Japan! GM, I am begging you. Get this one right. You were so close. Don't screw it up now. I have been waiting to buy the new Camaro since the debut of the concept. I haven't wanted a car that badly since I was a teen. But hear me now. If you blow this design by building it with those ugly lights, I'll buy that damn Dodge Challenger instead. And I am GM guy! I own a CTS-V and a Sierra 3500! Please retain the concept camaro's headlight and grille design, or I'll have to by a Dodge. Al Bundy drives a Dodge, damnit, so please don't make me do that!
People say that what is old news to some people is NEW to others...but this goes beyond that. You have obviously done nothing to research about what you are talking about. I'm sorry Dragon/Tag/(whomever else this applies to) about my rant, because you talked about the old news is new news to someone, but this is rediculous. It won't take you long to see...on this site or others that the headlights represented on the pre-pro Camaro are not what are intended for production. FACT! Don't worry about this, and if you go making demands like that or ultimatums...you won't be received well. Again, I'm sorry for saying some of these things...on a lighter note...welcome to the site, look around, read some threads...bask in the knowledge (and opinions) that all of these fine men and women bring to the table.
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As a boy, I was obsessed with, and absolutely smitten by, the '69 Z/28, the '70 Boss 302, and the '70 AAR 'Cuda. You can imagine the youthful glee I felt when I saw the Concept Camaro introduced. I was so impressed by the concept cars faithfulness to the '69 Camaro. I was a bit doubtful you would retain the console gauges, or the cool dash layout. I was very glad to see you did. But while I was sweating the details, you went and changed the entire front end with those ugly projector headlights! What the hell were you thinking? That completely changes the character of the car. It no longer resembles the '69, or the concept for that matter. It looks like something from Japan! GM, I am begging you. Get this one right. You were so close. Don't screw it up now. I have been waiting to buy the new Camaro since the debut of the concept. I haven't wanted a car that badly since I was a teen. But hear me now. If you blow this design by building it with those ugly lights, I'll buy that damn Dodge Challenger instead. And I am GM guy! I own a CTS-V and a Sierra 3500! Please retain the concept camaro's headlight and grille design, or I'll have to by a Dodge. Al Bundy drives a Dodge, damnit, so please don't make me do that!
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