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Old 05-04-2013, 11:02 AM   #26
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:06 AM   #27
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so they put an aluminum trucklid on it, but how much weight are they really saving on car that was 3,880 pounds?
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:08 AM   #28
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so they put an aluminum trucklid on it, but how much weight are they really saving on car that was 3,880 pounds?
300lbs I believe or something like that on the Z/28.
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:10 AM   #29
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No, 100 pounds on the Z/28 from many things, not just the trunklid. but how much weight savings on an SS just by changing the trunklid, idk
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:10 AM   #30
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Well I agree that it's not eye candy for sure.
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:25 AM   #31
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does the 2014 look more aggressive than the 2012???
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:32 AM   #32
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i'm guessing he was talking about the front end.
and no it doesn't really either.
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:05 PM   #33
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I would have loved to see how the Z28 would have looked with the 2013 styling.
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:11 PM   #34
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So is a trans cooler standard now for the 2014 SS or was he mistaken? It wasn't standard for 2013 and I haven't heard anybody else say that.
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:21 PM   #35
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I love the styling of the 2014 model and it does look a little more aggressive I like the lights of the 10-13 models but it always felt like something was missing I love these new taillights on the 14 and plan on getting one soon as I can
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:30 PM   #36
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I like the new front end styling. But the 2014 ZL1 will have the same front end as the 2012/13 models. The new rear styling looks poorly proportioned. I don't like the bumper/valence treatment. And the tail lights look like they were pulled off a shelf at Home Depot. Maybe it will grow on me but def not digging it. Showed it to a friend of mine who is not a car guy and his immediate response was: "that looks like a Toyota". Not good...
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:14 PM   #37
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The front is similar to the Jetta hybrid 2013, the rear came from a prelude, imagine this camaro with 4 doors. Maybe then it will look right. Aggressive looking ???
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Old 05-04-2013, 02:42 PM   #38
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First time to comment.
I have been on Camaro5 since the beginning, and owned a 2010 2ss, but got tired of the payment! I wish I still had one, and probably will get another one, but it will not be a 2014.
I personally do not like the look of the new 2014's as well. It is still cool and a Camaro but I think GM went the wrong direction. It is starting to look too generic, like other cars. It doesn't look destinctive as the 2010-2013.
The front end is what bothers me the most. The RS looks wall eyed. Like a pug. If they would center the halo's it would look better. The lower grill is bigger, but then is covered partially, and the parking light openings should be on the same level as the grill. The tail lights are ok and they are trying to be like the 69's but they are too flat and boring. The lisence plate opening is too big, out of proportion. Certain angles the front upper grill/headlights bucket area looks similar to the 1982-1992 front headlight bucket area.

The 2012-13 toyota camary has a similar front view.

The 2014 Camaro just doesn't grab you like the 2010-2013.

The problem with doing a retro theme is where do you go from there. I'm sure thats why GM was hesitant to do it when Mustang did it in 2005.

I'm also thinking GM wanted to slim down the looks of the Camaro because it has gotten criticism about being bulky looking. I personally think it (2010-2013) looks muscular and tough. I think the new design has stretched everything horizontally trying to give it a slimmer look. They should slim down the belt line, lower the side window area. From the A pillar to the B pillar should angle down a bit more. Plus this would help with visability also.

All that said the 2014 Camaro is still cool looking but just a slight mis-step.

Hopefully, and I'm sure it will, the C6 Camaro will look awesome!
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:40 PM   #39
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I like the 2014 I think they should release the Z28 sooner. I want to order my Z28 as soon as they say we can place our orders.
Spring of 2014 is perfect. Doesn't do GM any good to release it in the Winter.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:44 PM   #40
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I'm curious to know how long Mark Dickens has been with the Camaro design team. The design may have a purpose but in no way is it more aggressive.
quite long, i got to have dinner with him at the z/28 event i went too, he is a great guy and when you see the 2014 camaro in person it looks a 100% better, dont woory the camaro team is not done yet
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:16 PM   #41
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quite long, i got to have dinner with him at the z/28 event i went too, he is a great guy and when you see the 2014 camaro in person it looks a 100% better, dont woory the camaro team is not done yet
I've seen videos, HD pictures. Unfortunately seeing it in person won't change my mind I highly doubt. The only refresh for the ZL1 is the rear end and that alone won't make me trade in my current 12MY. The fact you were chosen to attend the event, I don't see you ever saying anything negative about the refresh. How would that look if you decide to do that? It wouldn't be in GM's favor.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:37 PM   #42
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Knife. Or hammer? One is sharp, one is blunt. Both can be effective tools. So let's just say they are both aggressive.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:42 PM   #43
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I've seen videos, HD pictures. Unfortunately seeing it in person won't change my mind I highly doubt. The only refresh for the ZL1 is the rear end and that alone won't make me trade in my current 12MY. The fact you were chosen to attend the event, I don't see you ever saying anything negative about the refresh. How would that look if you decide to do that? It wouldn't be in GM's favor.
Or maybe he meant what he said and he actually does like the look.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:50 PM   #44
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I've seen videos, HD pictures. Unfortunately seeing it in person won't change my mind I highly doubt. The only refresh for the ZL1 is the rear end and that alone won't make me trade in my current 12MY. The fact you were chosen to attend the event, I don't see you ever saying anything negative about the refresh. How would that look if you decide to do that? It wouldn't be in GM's favor.


The reason why i was chosen is that i am a well known enthusiast in the camaro commmunity. Secondly i will be honest with you when i saw the first pics of the car i hated it and i did say i did not like it in one of my post. After seeing it 2 times i like it alot. Pics never do the justice, just when you do get a chance take a look at one in person, we all have diffrent opinions and im sure gm would not mind if i posted i did not like the 2014, i dont think anyone would just like it or dislike it just because i do.
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Old 05-05-2013, 09:40 AM   #45
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if the over all opinion of the 2014 model was the same for the 2010 camaro this forum along with Chevrolet might not even be here... i agree with camaro 2lt.. sure the 2014 will grow on you as would any new car ,thats the problem....if the 2014 is a car you have to get used to then in my mind it has already failed..... I do like the car,,however, there is no way this car competes with the looks of the early models...
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:09 AM   #46
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I like the 2014's more each time I see them. I would love to have a 2014 SS......now that I have a wish list, wish the SS came with the 427.
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:14 PM   #47
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I'm curious to know how long Mark Dickens has been with the Camaro design team. The design may have a purpose but in no way is it more aggressive.
Many years -- AND - he's one of the main forces behind ZL1 and Z/28.

Question for YOU: Have you seen the car in person?

If not - perhaps you need to.
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:15 PM   #48
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so they put an aluminum trucklid on it, but how much weight are they really saving on car that was 3,880 pounds?

It's late.

Mom's in the hospital and a cousin died -- so I'm not in the best of moods.

You drive a 'yes' - you don't post what you drive -- and you bring up the weight issue -

Are you an automotive engineer? Do you drive a Camaro?


I don't mean to be insensitive - but I am losing patience with people who post stuff like you do and won't even post WHAT they drive.
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:17 PM   #49
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Many years -- AND - he's one of the main forces behind ZL1 and Z/28.

Question for YOU: Have you seen the car in person?

If not - perhaps you need to.
+1 go see the car, i know alot of people that hated it in the pics and when they saw it they loved it
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:20 PM   #50
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The thing about it is that just about everyone here HAS the current version, so they are naturally biased towards that one over the redesign, be it intentionally or not. Just like almost everyone who owns a '68 Camaro thinks the '68 version looks better than a '69...But ask someone who doesn't own either one what their preference is and it's usually the '69 that's considered the better looking version of the Camaro. Same kinda thing here with the 2010-13 vs the '14 redesign. I like my 2010 better, but guaranteed anyone who buys a '14 will believe theirs looks the best. Right now no one owns a '14 so it's of course everyone thinks "their" version is better.
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