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Old 05-03-2013, 01:41 PM   #1
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Setup for autox.. Need suggestions

I have a 2011 RS/2SS LS3 6M. It still has stock tires, brakes and suspension.

I have added a cold air kit and cat back exhaust for a little more power.

I have recently added the GM convertible strut tower brace. I was lucky my coupe had the drilled and threaded holes and got the brace online for less than 140 with shipping. I have been playing with air pressure but the under steer really sucks.

I want to keep my warranty intact.. Please keep that in mind when suggesting upgrades or changes I can do to help me at Autox.

Thanks in advance for your help.
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Old 05-03-2013, 01:55 PM   #2
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Upgrade your front and rear swaybars to some adjustables from BMR or Pedders. Then dial in your suspension and get an alignment front and back for the kind of sport you are driving in ... autox in this case.

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Old 05-03-2013, 02:01 PM   #3
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Welcome to the site! The best thing you can do to improve handling would be to start with Sway bars and springs (or coilovers if they are in the budget).

The sway bars will greatly reduce body roll and understeer, giving you a neutral feeling in the corners which will improve your times and also greatly inspires confidence!

I recommend looking into the Pfadt ZL spec sway bar set. These sway bars have 3 stiffness adjustments front and rear, so you can fine tune and balance the car to your driving style and tire selection. They do require upgrading to the 2012+ FE4 Rear LCA's, but we include them in the package as well.

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Old 05-03-2013, 04:33 PM   #5
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285x35's on all 4 corners. Then go nuts on the suspension when you're not worried about the warrantee
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Old 05-03-2013, 04:55 PM   #6
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Welcome to the site! The best thing you can do to improve handling would be to start with Sway bars and springs (or coilovers if they are in the budget).

The sway bars will greatly reduce body roll and understeer, giving you a neutral feeling in the corners which will improve your times and also greatly inspires confidence!

I recommend looking into the Pfadt ZL spec sway bar set. These sway bars have 3 stiffness adjustments front and rear, so you can fine tune and balance the car toy your driving style and tire selection. They do require upgrading to the 2012+ FE4 Rear LCA's, but we include them in the package as well.

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This, My car looked like yours around the cones, and that is a 2012 with the better suspension! It was a workout swinging around the cones with all that understeer.I DID THE pFADT ZL1 SPEC BARS, then the springs, then now wider wheels and rad arm bushings.The bars, then springs really helped keeping the car flat around the turns and alot less understeer. Felt like you could now focus on speed and driving
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:24 PM   #7
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Check the new rules. Not sure if anything changed for the stock camaro class. Had a lot of changes recently. If your car did not come with it from the factory as is, then you may break out of class. Depends how strict your tech inspector will be and if anyone will protest.

I ended up in E modified because of FI.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:26 AM   #9
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What class are you trying to fit your car into? That's going to make a difference in what you can do.

Actually, I'm not 100% sure that the car is F-Stock legal even as it sits. Cold air and tower brace sound like some ST class to me. Regionally, I doubt that anybody is going to give you any grief, but you might get some at the National Tour level.


Out of curiosity, what venue was the picture taken at?


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Old 05-04-2013, 03:28 PM   #10
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What class are you trying to fit your car into? That's going to make a difference in what you can do.

Actually, I'm not 100% sure that the car is F-Stock legal even as it sits. Cold air and tower brace sound like some ST class to me. Regionally, I doubt that anybody is going to give you any grief, but you might get some at the National Tour level.


Out of curiosity, what venue was the picture taken at?


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The picture was taken at a local club event at the MetLife stadium parking lot in NJ.

I'm not trying to compete on any regional or national events at this point. Trying to learn the car and get it into good running shape for local road courses and autox.

Thanks to everyone for your advice. I have been thinking sway bars at a minimum and possiblibly upgrade the bushings.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:42 PM   #11
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I have sway bars, drop springs, wider/lighter wheels, and just installed subframe bushings and 1le gears. The biggest change I felt (have not run on the bushings yet, installed today and next autoX is next Sunday) was the sway bars. Huge difference! Also, pay attention to tire pressure and your tread scrub! Have an experienced guy there look at your tires after your first few runs, he can show you what your looking for! Have fun man!
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:45 PM   #12
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I'm same as you, I just go have fun. Believe I'm running ESP now due to tire/sway/long tubes and high flows. Really don't care, just like to go fast!!!! From what I understand, beings 1lr gears are "stock" my class will not change.....
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The 1LE gears are standard on the 1LE and all of the 2010 - 2013 Camaros fall on the same line in Appendix A / E Street Prepared. You're fine.


Runs - NJMP isn't all that far from Central Jersey. Is that what I'm hearing?


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Old 05-06-2013, 08:33 AM   #14
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The 1LE gears are standard on the 1LE and all of the 2010 - 2013 Camaros fall on the same line in Appendix A / E Street Prepared. You're fine.


Runs - NJMP isn't all that far from Central Jersey. Is that what I'm hearing?


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NJMP is about 90 mins south of where I live. I would really like to get down there for one of their full day racing classes. I'd like to do the paced 100mph class. I'm going to try to get there this summer or fall if possible for the class/track day.
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Old 05-08-2013, 05:43 PM   #15
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With your bone stock SS your absolute first modification should be alignment. The factory aligns to a broad green range to a rather numb set of specs. Find a quality alignment shop and align to these specs.

Front Camber -1.00
Front Toe 0.00

Rear Camber 0.00
Rear Toe IN 0.10
Rear Total Toe 0.20

You SS will feel like it should have felt when delivered new. For your track day change out the OE brake fluid. Have your Chevy Dealer do a complete flush using the Tech II or USB tool to cycle the ABS pump.

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Castrol SRF has been, is the gold standard for brake fluid and is priced like gold. There are a number of good fluids on the market. The most important specification is the wet boiling point. Pick the highest wet boiling point at the best price. Two bottles should be more than enough.

I do use Castrol SRF in my cars.
While the tech is doing the brake fluid have him / her check your pads and rotors. You want a minimum of 60% pad and rotor to hit a road course. Change your engine oil and your SS is ready for your track day!

As you progress, you have so many options available. Foundational Bushes and an upgrade to Z style bars would be next. Depending on how much you enjoy the track event you may go even deeper into your suspension. THE Book for the 5th Gen Camaro will help you develop a solid upgrade path.

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Justicepete, along with the new alignment, which one of the sway bars would you replace to reduce the body roll?
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Justicepete, along with the new alignment, which one of the sway bars would you replace to reduce the body roll?
You have a couple of choices. Your 11 rear sway bar mounts inside the rear struts making it far less effective and efficient than the 12 style or Z bar that mount outside the struts close to the wheel.

Installing a Pedders inboard mount 27mm bar with your OE front will deliver a much better balanced car than you are driving.

Upgrading to the new style ZL1 / ILE bar requires an update of the rear LCAs to the new Z style. We have a complete conversion kit with a 27mm front and 32mm rear bar complete with adjustable front endlinks, rear droplinks and new ZL1 arms. The difference between OE 11 and this setup is H U G E.

We have the 27mm rear bars on sale as we plan to discontinue them in favor of the inboard 32mm and full Z bar upgrade.
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Check out the Pfadt Sway bar....we also can provide the conversion kit. Once you convert, there will be so many options in the future!
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With your bone stock SS your absolute first modification should be alignment. The factory aligns to a broad green range to a rather numb set of specs. Find a quality alignment shop and align to these specs.

Front Camber -1.00
Front Toe 0.00

Rear Camber 0.00
Rear Toe IN 0.10
Rear Total Toe 0.20
O rear camber? Cant see this being any help for corners we are running -1.4 front and rear is maxxed at -1.2, please explain why 0 rear camber with help a car turning hard?
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O rear camber? Cant see this being any help for corners we are running -1.4 front and rear is maxxed at -1.2, please explain why 0 rear camber with help a car turning hard?
Just out of curiosity, how did you arrive at your camber numbers? Trial and error? A recommendation?
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Well rear is just rite at max camber and front is a good in the middle for a daily driven car/ a car that runs full season every event autocross (also wanted to have a hotter/ more aggressive alignment than the buddies stock ZL1 for bragging rights lol) also helps to have unlimited free use of our alignment rack at work
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O rear camber? Cant see this being any help for corners we are running -1.4 front and rear is maxxed at -1.2, please explain why 0 rear camber with help a car turning hard?
Your Camaro has a square wheel and tire set up, 1LE, suspension, etc. It is far from stock. What is the #1 issue common to all SS models when driven hard?
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Your Camaro has a square wheel and tire set up, 1LE, suspension, etc. It is far from stock. What is the #1 issue common to all SS models when driven hard?
Understeer...
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BC Racing Coilovers are a very good option, especially on a budget. They are a white-label for many high end manufacturers and very high quality.

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This, My car looked like yours around the cones, and that is a 2012 with the better suspension! It was a workout swinging around the cones with all that understeer.I DID THE pFADT ZL1 SPEC BARS, then the springs, then now wider wheels and rad arm bushings.The bars, then springs really helped keeping the car flat around the turns and alot less understeer. Felt like you could now focus on speed and driving
Pfadt is awesome! Highly recommend sway bars, very reasonable price for a world of difference.

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Your Camaro has a square wheel and tire set up, 1LE, suspension, etc. It is far from stock. What is the #1 issue common to all SS models when driven hard?
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Understeer...
hard to decide between understeer or the booty swaying or brake fade

ummmm ya understeer...car pushes and keeps pushing until you get fed up and upgrade. hate turning the wheel and the rear wheels decide to drive the car forward. would rather have oversteer atleast the driver can correct that.


a solid alignment changes the car. I did the street/track compromise as I dont feel like getting 2 alignments every other week for my dd and road course car. some bushings and sways and alignment will make your car go where you want and get you a lot closer to neutral steering.
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