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Old 05-02-2013, 12:16 PM   #1
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quick cam question

HOW DOES THE G6X3 CAM, compare with the night fury cam???? i cant decide!!!!
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:26 PM   #2
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HOW DOES THE G6X3 CAM, compare with the night fury cam???? i cant decide!!!!
Before the NF came out and got popular I was debating between TSP 231/236 and the G6X3. I ended up deciding on the TSP cam because of all of the mentions of potential PTV clearance issues with the G6X3. Neither of those cams has the torque curve that the NF has. I jumped ship and re-decided on the NF after I saw a few graphs that all looked pretty much the same. Easy decision in my mind.

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Old 05-02-2013, 01:42 PM   #3
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Out of those two, I would go NF...
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Old 05-02-2013, 01:53 PM   #4
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any more input on this???: I'm considering doing an Ls3 conversion and getting the night fury myself. Was thinking about doing a custom cam job through jannety or tune time
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What are your goals? Plan to stay NA or FI? Target HP Range? Where do you want it-down low up top or linear?

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Gonna need a stall for sure.
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:24 PM   #7
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Torquer LS3 Camshaft
Have you taken a look at the katech ls3 torquer cam it put down 531 hp and has z pretty nice torque curve a friend of mine has it on his c6 ant its awsome i tried pasteing the dyno graph from katech but couldnt
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:50 PM   #8
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I think the NF is about an all around good cam that can even be used with some boost in the future if you go that way BUT a proven NA cam as well. It's easier drive ability and tuning wise.
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:57 PM   #9
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I think picking one is just hearsay, until you see both cams tested on a good repeatable dyno(engine dyno would be best) under controlled conditions. There is generally not alot of magic to be found between different cams that have similiar lift, durations and separations. I would pick which ever one I could get the best deal on myself.
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I've always there video taping Campers tuning of the NF cam since he was out of state. I saw the numbers it was putting down and witnessed the tuning process. It laid down some pretty damn good numbers on the dyno of broken dreams lol.

The NF and G6x3 are two totally different cams and I would not get the one that has the best deal, I would pick one that is going to meet your needs and goals.

Good luck finding engine or chassis dynos for that matter getting tuned back to back at your local shop lol.
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I've always there video taping Campers tuning of the NF cam since he was out of state. I saw the numbers it was putting down and witnessed the tuning process. It laid down some pretty damn good numbers on the dyno of broken dreams lol.

The NF and G6x3 are two totally different cams and I would not get the one that has the best deal, I would pick one that is going to meet your needs and goals.

Good luck finding engine or chassis dynos for that matter getting tuned back to back at your local shop lol.
Exactly! Back to back never happens! My point exactly, two cams on 10 different chassis dynos in 8 towns is not much better information than none sometimes. Although, its all most have to go on. Little88, would you like to have an actual technical discussion on valve events in particular? Because I would enjoy that much more, rather than parading cams with "names". Or would you just rather make condescending comments for the sake of looking like your something your not?
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Little88, Lets start by posting the specs on both cams, and their installed centerlines. I'll break down the opening and closing points at different centerlines and we can have a technical discussion on the effects of each valve event.
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Sure if you'd like, good luck finding them for these 2 cams. If you have them have at it.

I'm not parading anything, sorry your feelings are hurt but your saying you'd rather just pick a cam that has the best deal? What kind of advise is that for new folks here. I wouldn't recommend a G6x3 for someone's first cam though. Especially "if" the OP has an auto. It's not an easy tune and depending on your gears and stall drive ability is gonna be a MF'r. Gears on an M6 would be a BIG plus. It's just me looking at the bigger picture.
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:48 PM   #14
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Little88, Lets start by posting the specs on both cams, and their installed centerlines. I'll break down the opening and closing points at different centerlines and we can have a technical discussion on the effects of each valve event.
I tried the valve events talk a while back, and basically that discussion ends with "We need an engine dyno!". Actually I believe you joined that discussion .

I'd love to get you babbling about valve events again. Here we go. I don't think I ever rounded up the actual centerlines. .

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The LG is advanced 3* iirc and makes for a 108 ICL that I do know for sure.
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Old 05-02-2013, 04:00 PM   #16
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you should make 500 with the mods u have with the nightfury cam..

however i would opt for a custom grind, thats what i did.
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Oh my feelings aren't hurt, but I was under the impression that both of these cams were within 5 degrees of duration from each other and within a couple degrees of separation. If thats the case the output will be very similiar. I've run multiple cams at different centerlines and different lash points through engines on engine dyno's before at the same sitting, and the internet rules, and general rules of thumb don't always apply. I've seen enough to make me very skeptical of most things I see posted online and for good reason. But lets keep it technical, if the night fury or whatever cam is smaller it will idle better and be easier to tune. lol I agree. lol
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I'll go first.

One way to explain why the NF appears to come on earlier and stronger might have to do with the wider LSA. Peak power-wise I think all 3 cams get to about the same spot... which is not surprising at all, since they are all similarly spec-ed cams. Obviously we need the actual install centerlines to get into the valve event conversation, but I think it's safe to say the NF valves are open at the same time for a shorter duration than the G6X3. That is going to be a quality that some prefer, and others just care about the high end.

I don't race my car. I would choose the NF. I don't really care if it has a name or not. It has been proven to work well, and I seriously doubt I would be able to spec a better cam for my needs.
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But he's talking about valve events like for the

Exhaust
Closes at xx atdc
Opens at xx bbdc

Intake
Open at xx btdc
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But he's talking about valve events like for the

Exhaust
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Closes at xx abdc
I know... last time I checked Lethal Racing doesn't post their Comp Cams spec sheets! We'll have to speculate with what we've got.
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Oh my feelings aren't hurt, but I was under the impression that both of these cams were within 5 degrees of duration from each other and within a couple degrees of separation. If thats the case the output will be very similiar. I've run multiple cams at different centerlines and different lash points through engines on engine dyno's before at the same sitting, and the internet rules, and general rules of thumb don't always apply. I've seen enough to make me very skeptical of most things I see posted online and for good reason. But lets keep it technical, if the night fury or whatever cam is smaller it will idle better and be easier to tune. lol I agree. lol
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G6x3 is on a 107 ICl.
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i got the lg g6x3 its got lots of lift . so u cant mill ur heads . but if u plan to be cam only its a awesome cam. my car pulls like crazy after 3500 rpms. here is my dyno sheet . its was 107 degrees and had a intake issue at the time and didnt know it.

nf is probably a better all around cam tho. but i tell u this the g6x3 and nitrous is one bad combo.
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^^^damn. Lol
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