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Old 05-04-2013, 01:10 PM   #51
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Some of you guys think that just because you were irresponsible at your age that all kids don't know jack $hit about handling (moderately) high hp cars (in reality, 400hp is nothing special).

the odds are against any 16 yr old being responsible. the problem is, the part of your brain that controls reasoning is the last to fully develop, and that doesn't usually occur till your about 25 yrs old. it's not just a coincidence that most kids are irresponsible, irrational, and reckless. there's a reason we make them wait till they're 18 to make their own decisions, and wont let them drink (legally) till they're 21. it's biological. you combine that with a very powerful car, and virtually no experience and things could get ugly fast.

now that being said, sure, the op's kid may be the exception and fall into that 10% or so that are responsible, we all develop differently. but if he's not, buying him a 400 HP sports car with horrible visibility could very well end very expensively, tragically, or both.
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:15 PM   #52
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I don't know if this has already been mentioned or not - but something to consider. The Camaro has very very large blind spots. It's a large car, with a low(er) stance. And it has a long, and high hood. These are serious implications for a new driver. I like to think of myself as a very good and experienced driver however I had had a hard time judging curbs and other objects in parking lots because of the hood and blind spots. I haven't hit anything at all, but I have gotten close.

I think the camaro is a great car, and if you feel your son is responsible enough to be able to keep a leash around his foot (and ego) then a 2SS would be fine. I would just advise that he gets several months, or a year, of alone time driving around town under his belt in something much less expensive and fast before moving into a camaro.

Also, DON'T tell him to never turn off TCS or EST. That will make him want to turn it off, and he will wrap the car around a tree. DO take him to an empty parking lot with no parking stops or poles and let him turn it off and get it gas while turning. That will give him a sense of how the car handles (also do it with TCS and EST on so he knows what it feels like when it kicks in) and so he also knows how easy it is to lose control with it off. And how dangerous it can be.
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I vote for learning something more appropriate / cheap for a couple of years while in high school. Then going for a LOADED ss for college / after high school if he does well with his first car.

It isn't purely an attack on his driving ability either. Hauling around friends / passengers is not good on a car, experience that instead of trash a nice car. Then you have the attention aspect that cars like this can draw.

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Do you have a link for that video?
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289343
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OP hasn't posted again since his second "thanks" post". I call troll post now.
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Old 05-04-2013, 05:47 PM   #56
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Good idea not letting your son decide which one he gets. And it's good to only have those two options for him. Let's a child know they do not always get everything they want. And to have a public forum help decide which one you buy for him is the way to go. Money is not an issue, 2SS is the answer.
Not get everything he wants, he is buying him a CAMARO for his first car LOL
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:29 PM   #57
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THIS!

The amount of jealousy in this thread is ridiculous. If the guy has money, knows that his kid is responsible, and is willing to make his son happy, why shouldn't he buy him an SS?

Some of you guys think that just because you were irresponsible at your age that all kids don't know jack $hit about handling (moderately) high hp cars (in reality, 400hp is nothing special).
Maybe you missed the part in the OP's first post where he said, "Any feedback?"

Apparently to you, that should only mean supportive feedback.

And it's not jealousy. It's common sense, combined with a healthy suspicion of BS.
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:31 PM   #58
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I only skimmed through the topic, but I hope you are paying for this kid's college education if you are willing to drop nearly $40k on a car for him.

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Here's my take on the subject: Get it for him, but set him a budget. Anything over the budget he has to pay for; IMO give him a 25k out the door limit. He can easily get a new or used V6 with that money. If he wants to get an SS, find a used one in good condition. As an example, I got my 2012 2SS with 12k miles for 29k before taxes. Personally, I think that a 16 y/o can handle the power of ANY Camaro because of all the safety built into this car. This is NOT the old days, and these cars are much easier to drive. I would buy my child a Camaro any day over a 1990s beater Honda Civic. Safety should be your number one priority, and a Camaro is very safe, a beater on the other hand, is not.
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OK, my .02. Wasn't there a similar thread last month where the Dad wanted to know how to detune a ZL1 so he could give it to his son? Parents these days. I've been to many funerals and hospital rooms of teenage drivers and passengers who got in over their heads on the road. Oh yeah, I did a lot of stupid sh*t behind the wheel when I was a teen. So, I say no Camaro.
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I got my 2LT at 16 and I have modded it pretty drastically to make it unique. I have also driven many exotic cars because of my fathers job. I don't have the desire for a faster daily driver than my v6 camaro. I have proven myself able to handle a lot of power but realistically I believe the 2LT was the right choice.
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as others have said, only you know your son. the only thing I can add is that in a month the last of my three kids will grudate high school. in the 8 yr or so that I had one attending high school every year there were about 3-6 kids killed in car accidents that were primarily caused by mom and dad getting them that mustang or BMW that they just couldn't handle. IMO, no 16 yr old has the maturity, experience, nor skill to safely operate a high performance vehicle on a daily basis. inevitably, they get comfortable in it and begin to get careless. what they think they can do begins to exceed what they can do.

again, just my opinion, and only you know your son. but personally, I wouldn't put mine in one.
I agree 100% - father of (3) 20+ year old boys.
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THIS!

The amount of jealousy in this thread is ridiculous. If the guy has money, knows that his kid is responsible, and is willing to make his son happy, why shouldn't he buy him an SS?

Some of you guys think that just because you were irresponsible at your age that all kids don't know jack $hit about handling (moderately) high hp cars (in reality, 400hp is nothing special). Btw, did you guys see that video of the Pedderized 1LE being driven by a high school kid, setting faster times than a ZL1? Take a look.

Op, if you know your son is more than capable of handling the car, obviously get him the SS.
ha ha what a joke this comment is....400 hp is nothing special for a 16 yr old...are you on crack..you think people starting out driving are able to handle this car....there is always exceptions but please man. New drivers should be worried about learning the rules of the road..i have an l99 and there is no way my 14 yr old will be driving that when shes 16..jealousy...no...use your head its just plain old common sense
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ha ha what a joke this comment is....400 hp is nothing special for a 16 yr old...are you on crack..you think people starting out driving are able to handle this car....there is always exceptions but please man. New drivers should be worried about learning the rules of the road..i have an l99 and there is no way my 14 yr old will be driving that when shes 16..jealousy...no...use your head its just plain old common sense
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Hello, my first post . My son is turning 16 this October and I really want to get him a new car. Him and myself always had an eye for a camaro. I am still debating wether to get him a camaro 2ss or a 2lt. Any feedback?
Sure , get him the SS , then in about 23 days flat , he will be making up a story about the ZL1
Just get him the ZL and get over it , at once .
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Are you asking for feedback on the goodness of a SS or LT as a car, or as a father are you seriously asking a message forum for feedback whether to get your son a Camaro. I would hope the later is not true. If you feel your son is responsible enough to respect a 400 hp car, there are many 16-18 yr olds in the enthusiast community who imo are more responsible than adults, break him in right with the good stuff.
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THIS!

The amount of jealousy in this thread is ridiculous. If the guy has money, knows that his kid is responsible, and is willing to make his son happy, why shouldn't he buy him an SS?

Some of you guys think that just because you were irresponsible at your age that all kids don't know jack $hit about handling (moderately) high hp cars (in reality, 400hp is nothing special). Btw, did you guys see that video of the Pedderized 1LE being driven by a high school kid, setting faster times than a ZL1? Take a look.

Op, if you know your son is more than capable of handling the car, obviously get him the SS.
Just to make sure, you know that a 1LE isn't even close to the same league as a zl1 right?
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Old 05-04-2013, 10:29 PM   #68
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ha ha what a joke this comment is....400 hp is nothing special for a 16 yr old...are you on crack..you think people starting out driving are able to handle this car....there is always exceptions but please man. New drivers should be worried about learning the rules of the road..i have an l99 and there is no way my 14 yr old will be driving that when shes 16..jealousy...no...use your head its just plain old common sense
well said. I'm turning 26 in a few weeks and I still get easily egged on to hammer the car. I can't imagine how easily he's gonna be persuaded to show off. He's 16 for gods sakes, just get him a V6, he should be happy to get it [I would have felt like the luckiest kid in the world]. If he cries about you not getting him a V8 then you know you've done a great job raising him

also on a side note I think it's really stupid to buy your child something so expensive, especially when he didn't work for it. Not a good way to show your child the value of money and hard work.

...and one more thing, no I don't think people that make comments like I did are ''haters'' or ''jealous'' I think they have brains and just use common sense.
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Paying for it

I actually made him pay for it. I told him since he was a little kid that he was getting a new car. I am retired military and made many tours to Iraq which separated us. I feel like this is a way to repay him because I want too! I'm not getting it to spoil him... I am getting him it because he deserves it. He has had a job for 3 years now mowing yards. Saving money for gas, insurance and any extras he wants. Even if I was buying the car for spoiling him I don't see the big deal. You guys who are making comments like he is not deserving it because he didnt work it are just jealous and I don't see how this mean anything.
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I actually made him pay for it. I told him since he was a little kid that he was getting a new car. I am retired military and made many tours to Iraq which separated us. I feel like this is a way to repay him because I want too! I'm not getting it to spoil him... I am getting him it because he deserves it. He has had a job for 3 years now mowing yards. Saving money for gas, insurance and any extras he wants. Even if I was buying the car for spoiling him I don't see the big deal. You guys who are making comments like he is not deserving it because he didnt work it are just jealous and I don't see how this mean anything.
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I actually made him pay for it. I told him since he was a little kid that he was getting a new car. I am retired military and made many tours to Iraq which separated us. I feel like this is a way to repay him because I want too! I'm not getting it to spoil him... I am getting him it because he deserves it. He has had a job for 3 years now mowing yards. Saving money for gas, insurance and any extras he wants. Even if I was buying the car for spoiling him I don't see the big deal. You guys who are making comments like he is not deserving it because he didnt work it are just jealous and I don't see how this mean anything.
jealous....sorry not even close, you wanted input...some you like..some you don't, make your own decision. Really that's all that matters in the end anyway
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:35 PM   #73
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I think with all the blind spots the Camaro has plus you add in 320-420+ HP for a first time driver is not a good idea, I don't care how responsible they are. Let them learn how to drive in a beater for a few years then if they are ready they can move up to the Camaro.
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Don't get him the SS, the V6 has enough power for a 16 year old already. you'll just be wasting that extra thousands of dollars if you get him the V8

ps. i got mine pretty much the same age. i drove both the SS and the 6 and of course i would like to have the SS but in reality, do i need that extra 2 cylinders? no. saved my parents a lot of money going with the V6 and i'm pretty sure you like saving money too, right?
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One thing new drivers don't understand is the laws of physics; if you break the laws of physics, there is instant punishment--there is no probation, no parole, no insanity defense, no OJ Simpson defense, no do-overs. You can jump a curb on a bicycle, can't do it in a car without substantial damage. Kids have trouble grasping that concept. It's just a fact that kids tear up their first car, because they don't understand the laws of physics. Good luck.
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