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Old 05-09-2013, 09:00 PM   #1
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Why'd Chevy make the ZL1?

Of course i love chevy, i own a 2011 camaro ss but my question is why did they make the zl1 so under powered compared to the shelby gt500. i used to own a mustang before my camaro and i liked it but the camaro is much better. But why did chevy make the zl1 for the same price as the shelby with 80ish less horsepower?????
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:02 PM   #2
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This discussion is about two years old now. You might wanna search the ZL1 section of the forum.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:05 PM   #3
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The Shelby came out after the ZL1. Also let's not forget that the Shelby also essentially put all of its eggs into one horsepower basket here the ZL1 was the best handling camaro ever (now beat by the Z/28). In anything other than a straight run, the ZL1 consistently beats the Shelby by a margin of a few seconds or more. All in all, the ZL1 is the better car and many reviewers have come to that conclusion too.
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yeah i know was just curious i saw a shelby today and was thinking about it, i will check it out
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:24 PM   #5
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The 5.8 GT500 came out after the ZL1. The ZL1 beat the previous 5.4 GT500 which has 550 hp.
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Of course i love chevy, i own a 2011 camaro ss but my question is why did they make the zl1 so under powered compared to the shelby gt500. i used to own a mustang before my camaro and i liked it but the camaro is much better. But why did chevy make the zl1 for the same price as the shelby with 80ish less horsepower?????
I think the shelby power bump to 650 hp surprised them. They build the ZL1 to compete with the with GT500 when it had 550 hp.

They can't increase the power on the ZL1 beyond 580 hp because they will have the corvette. They may be worried about losing those sales.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:36 PM   #8
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you obviously have never priced the gt 500 shelby..once you add the track pack and the optional this and that and a few accessories to make it look decent your way over 70K........And your a monkey on a stick.........lol I almost got a zl1 for its awesome potential and when pricing both it was ten thousand less with the optional everything I wanted and had nice things the gt 500 could only dream of......like HUD, IRS, magnetoreological shocks, automatic lights, heated seats and rear view mirrors, back up cam....etc etc
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very good info
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:47 PM   #10
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since you own both cars, which one you like? i was thinking about upgrading
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You can do a million things to make the ZL1 smoke a STOCK GT500 in a straight line, that can't be said about the GT500 aftermarket.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:50 PM   #12
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Ummmm...no. I ordered my 2012 ZL1 the day the order banks opened and took delivery the day it arrived at the dealer, mid-June 2012. I ordered my 2013 GT500 in March 2012 and took delivery on May 20th, 2012. Both cars were in development at the same time, GM just never saw Ford putting the kind of power they did into the GT500 that year.
They might be referencing the fact that Ford announced the New GT500 after Chevy introduced the ZL1. Thus raining on GM'S parade
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Ummmm...no. I ordered my 2012 ZL1 the day the order banks opened and took delivery the day it arrived at the dealer, mid-June 2012. I ordered my 2013 GT500 in March 2012 and took delivery on May 20th, 2012. Both cars were in development at the same time, GM just never saw Ford putting the kind of power they did into the GT500 that year.
What he was referring to was, the GT500 was announced at the same time the Pricing was announced for the ZL1. The ZL1 itself and it's specs were released long before Ford announced the new and improved GT500.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:52 PM   #15
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You also have to give props to Chevy for listening to the reviews and fans by improving the suspension as much as they have to allow the ZL1 to use that 580hp at the track and dragstrip alike. Can't say that the Mustang can put that 650hp to the floor without breaking loose. Not without drag radials I'd bet.
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Let me see if I can put this in language you can understand. Chevy make car dat go fast and make turn fast. No straight line only race car but actually take turns fast like real cars do. Oh and cost less than Shelby mustang with crappy 2004 technology. Me make you understand now or me draw picture?
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:10 PM   #17
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If you don't understand why the ZL1 is better the GT500, then you should probably get a GT500...
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:19 PM   #18
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It's a "to each their own" kinda thing. I love my ZL1. And my dear Jeffrey, my gay friend of 15 plus years, he loves his Super Snake. He's said it's the Best car he's ever owned to pickup his Boy-Toys!
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You can do a million things to make the ZL1 smoke a GT500 in a straight line, that can't be said about the GT500 aftermarket.
I disagree with the above statement, there is a large aftermarket for both cars.

Both are great cars for different reasons. The people that "get it" understand this to be true.
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I disagree with the above statement, there is a large aftermarket for both cars.

Both are great cars for different reasons. The people that "get it" understand this to be true.
Agreed, kinda tired of the which is better and why did chevy build this threads.....I already had my fast straight-line car = 643rwhp 2006 300c SRT8. Ran 10.73@128.5mph, not many/any stock Shelby's doing that. Decided it was time to start taking turns with that kind of power. Tried a CTS-V for 6 months and didn't feel connected to the road at all, tried a Shelby GT500 and the live axle was just useless. Tried the ZL1 and was smitten.
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Agreed, kinda tired of the which is better and why did chevy build this threads.....I already had my fast straight-line car = 643rwhp 2006 300c SRT8. Ran 10.73@128.5mph, not many/any stock Shelby's doing that. Decided it was time to start taking turns with that kind of power. Tried a CTS-V for 6 months and didn't feel connected to the road at all, tried a Shelby GT500 and the live axle was just useless. Tried the ZL1 and was smitten.

Great post from someone who has experienced those cars.
My ZL1 is perfect except for some wheelhop when I lose traction in second gear. Otherwise a great car in road handling over any surface.
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You know what, I wrote a long post reiterating a whole bunch of stuff above, but whatever, I love my ZL1, I drive Chevy's. Here's my list

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Ummmm...no. I ordered my 2012 ZL1 the day the order banks opened and took delivery the day it arrived at the dealer, mid-June 2012. I ordered my 2013 GT500 in March 2012 and took delivery on May 20th, 2012. Both cars were in development at the same time, GM just never saw Ford putting the kind of power they did into the GT500 that year.
um yes. the first 12 ZL1's hit the road in late april/earlymay of 2012 and as you state above your 13 mustang came to you in may of 2012. that means the 12 zl-1 was roughly a year late. most other cars on the market you buy the new model year in the last quarter of the year not in the second quarter of its actual model year. this is why mustang guys always want to compare the 12 Zl to the 13 gt500.
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not to mention as we have seen that ZL-1's that have the extra 80 h.p the gt500 got blow the gt500's away.
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