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Old 05-10-2013, 12:19 AM   #18
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If you don't understand why the ZL1 is better the GT500, then you should probably get a GT500...
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:21 AM   #19
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It's a "to each their own" kinda thing. I love my ZL1. And my dear Jeffrey, my gay friend of 15 plus years, he loves his Super Snake. He's said it's the Best car he's ever owned to pickup his Boy-Toys!
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:22 AM   #20
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You can do a million things to make the ZL1 smoke a GT500 in a straight line, that can't be said about the GT500 aftermarket.
I disagree with the above statement, there is a large aftermarket for both cars.

Both are great cars for different reasons. The people that "get it" understand this to be true.
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:40 AM   #21
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I disagree with the above statement, there is a large aftermarket for both cars.

Both are great cars for different reasons. The people that "get it" understand this to be true.
Agreed, kinda tired of the which is better and why did chevy build this threads.....I already had my fast straight-line car = 643rwhp 2006 300c SRT8. Ran 10.73@128.5mph, not many/any stock Shelby's doing that. Decided it was time to start taking turns with that kind of power. Tried a CTS-V for 6 months and didn't feel connected to the road at all, tried a Shelby GT500 and the live axle was just useless. Tried the ZL1 and was smitten.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:00 AM   #22
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Agreed, kinda tired of the which is better and why did chevy build this threads.....I already had my fast straight-line car = 643rwhp 2006 300c SRT8. Ran 10.73@128.5mph, not many/any stock Shelby's doing that. Decided it was time to start taking turns with that kind of power. Tried a CTS-V for 6 months and didn't feel connected to the road at all, tried a Shelby GT500 and the live axle was just useless. Tried the ZL1 and was smitten.

Great post from someone who has experienced those cars.
My ZL1 is perfect except for some wheelhop when I lose traction in second gear. Otherwise a great car in road handling over any surface.
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Old 05-10-2013, 04:09 AM   #23
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You know what, I wrote a long post reiterating a whole bunch of stuff above, but whatever, I love my ZL1, I drive Chevy's. Here's my list

Past:
-1977 K5 Blazer
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and further my brother still has his first car, 1989 S-10 Blazer, about to be an antique, my other brother's first car was a 2000 Camaro
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Old 05-10-2013, 07:30 AM   #24
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Ummmm...no. I ordered my 2012 ZL1 the day the order banks opened and took delivery the day it arrived at the dealer, mid-June 2012. I ordered my 2013 GT500 in March 2012 and took delivery on May 20th, 2012. Both cars were in development at the same time, GM just never saw Ford putting the kind of power they did into the GT500 that year.
um yes. the first 12 ZL1's hit the road in late april/earlymay of 2012 and as you state above your 13 mustang came to you in may of 2012. that means the 12 zl-1 was roughly a year late. most other cars on the market you buy the new model year in the last quarter of the year not in the second quarter of its actual model year. this is why mustang guys always want to compare the 12 Zl to the 13 gt500.
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Old 05-10-2013, 07:32 AM   #25
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not to mention as we have seen that ZL-1's that have the extra 80 h.p the gt500 got blow the gt500's away.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:04 AM   #26
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The Shelby came out after the ZL1. Also let's not forget that the Shelby also essentially put all of its eggs into one horsepower basket here the ZL1 was the best handling camaro ever (now beat by the Z/28). In anything other than a straight run, the ZL1 consistently beats the Shelby by a margin of a few seconds or more. All in all, the ZL1 is the better car and many reviewers have come to that conclusion too.
What is beat by the Z/28? The ZL1? That Z/28 has not even hit the streets yet to prove it self. Yea GM talks about this but they are just hyping the car up for sales.

Listen, the ZL1 is proven and to be honest, I seen here at atco dragway that race between a stock shelby and a stock ZL1 go both ways with each winning a race against each other so dont sell off the ZL1, its a bad arss machine with all the goodies. Put the right driver in it and its a new ball game.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:04 AM   #27
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I disagree with the above statement, there is a large aftermarket for both cars.

Both are great cars for different reasons. The people that "get it" understand this to be true.
The ZL1 aftermarket is still much larger. Small block > 5.8.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:15 AM   #28
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You can do a million things to make the ZL1 smoke a GT500 in a straight line, that can't be said about the GT500 aftermarket.
Wow you can't be serious? You do realize that with nothing other than DRs and a tune the 500 can run 10s right? To make the ZL1 a 10-sec car it's going to take some serious coin. The 500 could also take the mod money to improve the suspension to compete with the ZL1 on the twisty track as well, but then it's got the 100-rwhp advantage as well. Saying all this I would still prefer the ZL1 automatic over the 500.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:41 AM   #29
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Agreed, kinda tired of the which is better and why did chevy build this threads.....I already had my fast straight-line car = 643rwhp 2006 300c SRT8. Ran 10.73@128.5mph, not many/any stock Shelby's doing that. Decided it was time to start taking turns with that kind of power. Tried a CTS-V for 6 months and didn't feel connected to the road at all, tried a Shelby GT500 and the live axle was just useless. Tried the ZL1 and was smitten.
I had the same experience. Smitten is the word.
I had a 2010 Shelby (540 stock Hp). The live axle is tiresome. Handling dynamics in real world street racing are mediocre - the car bounces up and down at high speeds. And I think the live axle gives the car a weird look. U can't get tires wider than 285s on the back without a lot of work. Its not to say I don't think the Shelby is a great car and a lot of fun. Its just out of date. And the styling looks tired IMO.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:28 AM   #30
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The ZL1 aftermarket is still much larger. Small block > 5.8.
If you say so...
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:35 AM   #31
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Wow you can't be serious? You do realize that with nothing other than DRs and a tune the 500 can run 10s right? To make the ZL1 a 10-sec car it's going to take some serious coin. The 500 could also take the mod money to improve the suspension to compete with the ZL1 on the twisty track as well, but then it's got the 100-rwhp advantage as well. Saying all this I would still prefer the ZL1 automatic over the 500.
When did I say that it would be cheap?
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:39 AM   #32
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Of course i love chevy, i own a 2011 camaro ss but my question is why did they make the zl1 so under powered compared to the shelby gt500. i used to own a mustang before my camaro and i liked it but the camaro is much better. But why did chevy make the zl1 for the same price as the shelby with 80ish less horsepower?????
Ha ha. welcome to nov 2011.

The ZL1 was anounced before the 2013 GT500 as it was a late 2012 car. It was 30 more hp than the 2012 gt500. they basically got caught with there pants down. Nobody expected 662hp 600lb mustang.

the reason the price is the same is simple. Mag ride and all the coolers and track packs.

a GT500 with PP and TP is $61,450 when I was pricing. that is why I stayed with the Zl1. you can add 80hp to a ZL1 for ~$1500-$2500 depending on how you do it so I stayed with the ZL1 as by my math it was still cheaper in the long run. I did not want the base suspension on the GT500. I am $57,000 into mine and have ~575whp.

honestly though if stock straitline speed is what drives you a used Z06 or GT500 are hands down the best stock choices out there. they do not need any power mods to smash 99% of cars. A ZL1 really needs a couple power mods to be at that piont.

I have been unterly amzazed with the internet banter on these two cars both are wicked and can be made bad fast. Zl1 needs some power. Gt500 can use axels and clutch if your going to run tire. both are 10second capale cars without much money spent.
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:47 AM   #33
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The ZL1 aftermarket is still much larger. Small block > 5.8.
I don't see it this way at all. I see the aftermarket being huge for both cars.

I see it has it always has been though the LSA is a tad cheaper to mod than the 5.8 trinity (very new platform). And before anyone slams me for saying it I am talking like cams, valvesprings, ported heads.

the main difference to me on these car is what you mod. If I had bought a GT500 I would be doing axels, clutch, suspension with simple power bolt ons. Maybe even gears you don't run 200 very oftern be nicer to just pull harder to 180-190.

on a ZL1 I may do heads, or cam eventually before I ever need to touch clutch, shafts, suspension etc.
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:47 AM   #34
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You can do a million things to make the ZL1 smoke a GT500 in a straight line, that can't be said about the GT500 aftermarket.
Are you freakin kidding me........watch this video and tell me that again. Hell, I have a 2012 with just an aftermarket blower swap, X-pipe and custom tune running 10.5's @ 135 MPH!!!!

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