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Old 05-10-2013, 07:04 AM   #26
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The Shelby came out after the ZL1. Also let's not forget that the Shelby also essentially put all of its eggs into one horsepower basket here the ZL1 was the best handling camaro ever (now beat by the Z/28). In anything other than a straight run, the ZL1 consistently beats the Shelby by a margin of a few seconds or more. All in all, the ZL1 is the better car and many reviewers have come to that conclusion too.
What is beat by the Z/28? The ZL1? That Z/28 has not even hit the streets yet to prove it self. Yea GM talks about this but they are just hyping the car up for sales.

Listen, the ZL1 is proven and to be honest, I seen here at atco dragway that race between a stock shelby and a stock ZL1 go both ways with each winning a race against each other so dont sell off the ZL1, its a bad arss machine with all the goodies. Put the right driver in it and its a new ball game.
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I disagree with the above statement, there is a large aftermarket for both cars.

Both are great cars for different reasons. The people that "get it" understand this to be true.
The ZL1 aftermarket is still much larger. Small block > 5.8.
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You can do a million things to make the ZL1 smoke a GT500 in a straight line, that can't be said about the GT500 aftermarket.
Wow you can't be serious? You do realize that with nothing other than DRs and a tune the 500 can run 10s right? To make the ZL1 a 10-sec car it's going to take some serious coin. The 500 could also take the mod money to improve the suspension to compete with the ZL1 on the twisty track as well, but then it's got the 100-rwhp advantage as well. Saying all this I would still prefer the ZL1 automatic over the 500.
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Agreed, kinda tired of the which is better and why did chevy build this threads.....I already had my fast straight-line car = 643rwhp 2006 300c SRT8. Ran 10.73@128.5mph, not many/any stock Shelby's doing that. Decided it was time to start taking turns with that kind of power. Tried a CTS-V for 6 months and didn't feel connected to the road at all, tried a Shelby GT500 and the live axle was just useless. Tried the ZL1 and was smitten.
I had the same experience. Smitten is the word.
I had a 2010 Shelby (540 stock Hp). The live axle is tiresome. Handling dynamics in real world street racing are mediocre - the car bounces up and down at high speeds. And I think the live axle gives the car a weird look. U can't get tires wider than 285s on the back without a lot of work. Its not to say I don't think the Shelby is a great car and a lot of fun. Its just out of date. And the styling looks tired IMO.
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The ZL1 aftermarket is still much larger. Small block > 5.8.
If you say so...
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Wow you can't be serious? You do realize that with nothing other than DRs and a tune the 500 can run 10s right? To make the ZL1 a 10-sec car it's going to take some serious coin. The 500 could also take the mod money to improve the suspension to compete with the ZL1 on the twisty track as well, but then it's got the 100-rwhp advantage as well. Saying all this I would still prefer the ZL1 automatic over the 500.
When did I say that it would be cheap?
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Of course i love chevy, i own a 2011 camaro ss but my question is why did they make the zl1 so under powered compared to the shelby gt500. i used to own a mustang before my camaro and i liked it but the camaro is much better. But why did chevy make the zl1 for the same price as the shelby with 80ish less horsepower?????
Ha ha. welcome to nov 2011.

The ZL1 was anounced before the 2013 GT500 as it was a late 2012 car. It was 30 more hp than the 2012 gt500. they basically got caught with there pants down. Nobody expected 662hp 600lb mustang.

the reason the price is the same is simple. Mag ride and all the coolers and track packs.

a GT500 with PP and TP is $61,450 when I was pricing. that is why I stayed with the Zl1. you can add 80hp to a ZL1 for ~$1500-$2500 depending on how you do it so I stayed with the ZL1 as by my math it was still cheaper in the long run. I did not want the base suspension on the GT500. I am $57,000 into mine and have ~575whp.

honestly though if stock straitline speed is what drives you a used Z06 or GT500 are hands down the best stock choices out there. they do not need any power mods to smash 99% of cars. A ZL1 really needs a couple power mods to be at that piont.

I have been unterly amzazed with the internet banter on these two cars both are wicked and can be made bad fast. Zl1 needs some power. Gt500 can use axels and clutch if your going to run tire. both are 10second capale cars without much money spent.
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The ZL1 aftermarket is still much larger. Small block > 5.8.
I don't see it this way at all. I see the aftermarket being huge for both cars.

I see it has it always has been though the LSA is a tad cheaper to mod than the 5.8 trinity (very new platform). And before anyone slams me for saying it I am talking like cams, valvesprings, ported heads.

the main difference to me on these car is what you mod. If I had bought a GT500 I would be doing axels, clutch, suspension with simple power bolt ons. Maybe even gears you don't run 200 very oftern be nicer to just pull harder to 180-190.

on a ZL1 I may do heads, or cam eventually before I ever need to touch clutch, shafts, suspension etc.
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You can do a million things to make the ZL1 smoke a GT500 in a straight line, that can't be said about the GT500 aftermarket.
Are you freakin kidding me........watch this video and tell me that again. Hell, I have a 2012 with just an aftermarket blower swap, X-pipe and custom tune running 10.5's @ 135 MPH!!!!

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I don't see it this way at all. I see the aftermarket being huge for both cars.

I see it has it always has been though the LSA is a tad cheaper to mod than the 5.8 trinity (very new platform). And before anyone slams me for saying it I am talking like cams, valvesprings, ported heads.

the main difference to me on these car is what you mod. If I had bought a GT500 I would be doing axels, clutch, suspension with simple power bolt ons. Maybe even gears you don't run 200 very oftern be nicer to just pull harder to 180-190.

on a ZL1 I may do heads, or cam eventually before I ever need to touch clutch, shafts, suspension etc.
That's what I'm trying to get at. The LSA has a lot left in it where the 5.8 is pushing its limits from the factory.
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Are you freakin kidding me........watch this video and tell me that again. Hell, I have a 2012 with just an aftermarket blower swap, X-pipe and custom tune running 10.5's @ 135 MPH!!!!

Okay. It makes 1100 hp. You have to be kidding me if you don't think I can do that with an LSA. I should also clarify that in my original comment, I meant that you can do a bunch of things to make it faster than a stock GT500.

EDIT: Here's an SS breaking into the 8's. Anyone can go on youtube and post up videos of fast cars
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I meant that you can do a bunch of things to make it faster than a stock GT500.

Ahhhh, OK. Sorry.
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Ahhhh, OK. Sorry.
My bad I'll go change it
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That's what I'm trying to get at. The LSA has a lot left in it where the 5.8 is pushing its limits from the factory.
The 5.8 is not pushing it's limits as proven by countless 800+ rwhp builds. What kills the LSA is the difference is really more than 80 hp, look at the dyno numbers for these cars. LSAs are seeing average numbers between 460-510 rwhp depending on whether it's a stick or automatic car. The 500s are 590-620 rwhp stock. 100-130 rwhp difference is just huge. It's going to take a full cam, bolt-on, pulley build for the LSA to match those numbers without spinning the stock blower too hard.
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My bad I'll go change it
Not a problem.......By the way, Do they still call New Cut Rd. "Seven Hills"? I used to live in Columbia MD and we would do some crazy ass stuff on that road back in the day. (late 80's) I had a 77 Camaro back then.
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Not a problem.......By the way, Do they still call New Cut Rd. "Seven Hills"? I used to live in Columbia MD and we would do some crazy ass stuff on that road back in the day. (late 80's) I had a 77 Camaro back then.
I've only heard it called New Cut. I'll have to go check it out...
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I've only heard it called New Cut. I'll have to go check it out...
Im sure there are a few more houses built on it by now but man we would raise hell back there. On College Ave. and Bonnie Branch Rd. too.....We all thought were were Indy car racers. LOL
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Im sure there are a few more houses built on it by now but man we would raise hell back there. On College Ave. and Bonnie Branch Rd. too.....We all thought were were Indy car racers. LOL
I live 2 mins away from Bonnie Branch RD; I'm off of Ilchester. I know the cops hang out a lot on those roads now
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This discussion is about two years old now. You might wanna search the ZL1 section of the forum.
Still kicks the crap out of the mustang by a few seconds every time.
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I actually do like the automatic option in the ZL1. That was one of the reasons I was looking into the ZL1.
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Are you freakin kidding me........watch this video and tell me that again. Hell, I have a 2012 with just an aftermarket blower swap, X-pipe and custom tune running 10.5's @ 135 MPH!!!!

as awsome as that video is that car the mod list is pretty off the charts. there is more too it than your saying. put prices next to this list and get to be some big $$$$. Awesome car but that is really high dollar build. proabably a six figure car easy. 8's are fast but six figures gets 8's out of any car really spent correctly.

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I still don't get the bickering. 10.5 is not hard to atain in either of these cars on tire. 10.5 is hard to atain of either of them without tire.
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I disagree with the above statement, there is a large aftermarket for both cars.

Both are great cars for different reasons. The people that "get it" understand this to be true.
As much as I hate to admit it, but I agree on this. Although it seems as if there are far more aftermarket parts for the mustang…at least the mustang sections in jegs and summit catalogues are far larger than the Camaro sections. And I absolutely hate that lol. I guess it could also be that you can't spit with out it landing on a mustang.
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Not a problem.......By the way, Do they still call New Cut Rd. "Seven Hills"? I used to live in Columbia MD and we would do some crazy ass stuff on that road back in the day. (late 80's) I had a 77 Camaro back then.
Me and my buddy left the road on new cut damn near killed us. I grew up in Phelps luck in Columbia in the 70's and 80's.
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