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Old 09-13-2012, 08:37 PM   #1
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ISSUE WITH EXPOSED CF INSERT

Ok I have Clayed, Glazed, and Waxed the exposed carbon fiber hood insert. I noticed this milky haze a few days ago when I began my first detail. It isn't noticable in direct sunlight only when it's in the garage when you look at it at just the right angle can you tell its there. The picture only shows one there is another on the opposite side but it is smaller.

Has anyone had a similar issue? Would you make a warranty claim? The car has 450 miles on it. And with the exception of a small paint defect under the hood near the fan shroud it is in perfect condition.

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Old 09-13-2012, 08:39 PM   #2
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if it is turning purple yes bring it to the dealer and they will give u a new one
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:23 PM   #3
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I had the same issue. Dealer ordered a new one and installed it in 20min.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:39 PM   #4
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Somebody hasn't been reading the manual... Poor Z.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:56 PM   #5
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Somebody hasn't been reading the manual... Poor Z.
I have a RS and I remember reading something about this in the ZL1 manual.

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It is not recommended that the air extractor on the ZL1 be waxed, as it will change the gloss level of the surface. In addition, care must be used when waxing around the extractor. If a small amount of wax is applied to the extractor it can create an irregular appearance in the surface of the panel. If wax, debris, or other materials create stains on the air extractor, see your dealer for the recommended cleaner.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:05 PM   #6
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I have a RS and I remember reading something about this in the ZL1 manual.

Hood Air Extractor
It is not recommended that the air extractor on the ZL1 be waxed, as it will change the gloss level of the surface. In addition, care must be used when waxing around the extractor. If a small amount of wax is applied to the extractor it can create an irregular appearance in the surface of the panel. If wax, debris, or other materials create stains on the air extractor, see your dealer for the recommended cleaner.
Doesn't this refer to caring for the painted extractor and not the ECF?

ISTR that this referred to caring for the painted matt finish and not the glossy ECF insert.
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:50 AM   #7
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I don't think any wax caused the purple effect. It is in the clear coat used on the CF insert. The manual link posted says not to use any sealant/wax on the car at all on page 10-97. Then later on the same it says to use a wax or polish occassionally to remove debris from the finish. How contradictory.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:01 AM   #8
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i had the same problem with the paint around the "CAMARO" badge on the side of my z. you can only notice it when you really look for it though
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:15 AM   #9
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I thought you could wax the ECF with no problems and that it was only the Matte Black insert that was discontinued that you had to be really careful with?

If that's not the case then it's not been communicated very well - but I'm sure waxing the ECF is fine as it's clearcoated
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:22 AM   #10
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I had similar marks near the ZL1 badge but on the paint. It appeared as though something had laid on the hood, bird bomb, hard water, something at the factory. It looked like there was a cloudy spot in the paint.

A quick buff with Adams Fine Machine Polish is all it took to remove it. Don't use anything harsh, a finishing polish is all that it will take to remove it and you can go ahead and do the entire hood while your at it.

Then throw on a good sealant of your choice and no more worries
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:48 AM   #11
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Went to my dealer on my way in to work today. They need to call GM to approve a replacement. I will let you know.

btw Exposed Carbon Fiber can be waxed without issue. This flaw is under the clear coat.
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:50 AM   #12
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Went to my dealer on my way in to work today. They need to call GM to approve a replacement. I will let you know.

btw Exposed Carbon Fiber can be waxed without issue. This flaw is under the clear coat.
That's what I understood, and the main reason I choose the ECF rather than the painted one for my Black ZL1 Vert. I didn't want to always have to be carefull not to get wax on the insert.
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Old 09-14-2012, 11:00 AM   #13
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That's what I understood, and the main reason I choose the ECF rather than the painted one for my Black ZL1 Vert. I didn't want to always have to be carefull not to get wax on the insert.
I have the black insert and I'm worried about the damage a bird bomb will do. I have yet to protect it with any type of protectant, but I know I won't be able to rub out any insect or bird damage from the matte finish.
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Old 09-14-2012, 11:37 AM   #14
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Mine has the same issue.........it looks as though the dealer buffed it with a rotary before placing the car in the showroom. It's only noticeable in direct sunlight and at certain angles............I'm having more issues with the black color than the ECF...........LOL!
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:13 PM   #15
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Ok I have Clayed, Glazed, and Waxed the exposed carbon fiber hood insert. I noticed this milky haze a few days ago when I began my first detail. It isn't noticable in direct sunlight only when it's in the garage when you look at it at just the right angle can you tell its there. The picture only shows one there is another on the opposite side but it is smaller.

Has anyone had a similar issue? Would you make a warranty claim? The car has 450 miles on it. And with the exception of a small paint defect under the hood near the fan shroud it is in perfect condition.

I apologize for the dissatisfaction you are experiencing. Have you taken it to the dealership to see if it something they could cover under warranty? Please let us know!

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Old 09-14-2012, 12:53 PM   #16
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my dads car had the same haze thats in that pic and it just needed to be polished out. i am assuming the dots in the picture are the reflection of your garage door hinges
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:55 PM   #17
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Ive put multiple layers of zaino on my ECF insert with no problem whatsoever.
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Old 09-14-2012, 01:53 PM   #18
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I had an issue with mine and the dealer swapped it out, no problems.
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:29 PM   #19
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Had the same haze and 3M imperial hand glaze cured it. That said mine has the purple discoloration (from day 1). Still not sure if I'm taking it in for replacement. Its minor and sometimes it scares me having the dealer fix something that ain't broken.
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:53 AM   #20
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Had the same haze and 3M imperial hand glaze cured it. That said mine has the purple discoloration (from day 1). Still not sure if I'm taking it in for replacement. Its minor and sometimes it scares me having the dealer fix something that ain't broken.
I hate having the dealer fix stuff.

Anyone have a problem with the clear coat on the CF Insert bubbling and chipping? Looks like heat might have caused it.
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Old 03-22-2013, 12:23 PM   #21
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I and another user had a problem with our ECFs. I posted a thread about it back in the summer. I think if you search "attention ecf" you'll find it. Either way, mine was cracked in several places. GM swapped it out really damn quickly considering the ECF was on constraint at the time.
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Old 03-22-2013, 12:23 PM   #22
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Kinda looks like someone's hand/glove touched it before it was completely dry/hard. If it can't be buffed out, have them order a new one and replace it. When it comes in, I'd put a coat or two/three of sealer before they/dealer installs. Why not, only takes a few minutes.
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Old 03-22-2013, 12:29 PM   #23
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If they do replace it, PM OVERPAR73, he may want it even though it has a very minor flaw. He should be able to get it really cheap. When my damaged rim was replaced the service manager said he was putting it on eBay to try and recoup some of the money. All it had was a scrape, and someone could easily fix it up.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:49 PM   #24
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I have the same haze in mine. I think it was there from the start - I only have 150 miles on my car.

Will check with the dealer next week when I go pick up my plates.

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Old 03-22-2013, 02:50 PM   #25
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I'm still waiting for a resolution on my insert. The Service Rep I have assigned to my case seams to not understand engish, since I have told her by message everytime I get a message from her at home, of course I'm not there during the day. I have told five times now, by leaving her a message each time, to call me on my cell phone "do not not call my home". I have actually only talked to her one time, when I was home sick on the very first contact with her.

I'm not impressed at all with the customer service I've received so far. I'm ust hoping for a resolution before spring really gets here and I can finally drive the car.

I'm hoping Brandon can get something done!
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