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Old 06-26-2009, 09:51 AM   #1
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After claybar, there are still spots?

I used the claybar last night and got all of the debris off of the car. The surface was noticeably better, but i still have a few spots on the hood. They don't look like water spots. My girlfriend said they looked like little wrinkles in the paint. Maybe something from the trailer? Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about and what I could do for them?
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:54 AM   #2
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I used the claybar last night and got all of the debris off of the car. The surface was noticeably better, but i still have a few spots on the hood. They don't look like water spots. My girlfriend said they looked like little wrinkles in the paint. Maybe something from the trailer? Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about and what I could do for them?
try using a wax or wet wax product next. the clay bar doesn't really Polish or Finish off the paint..

It probably just needs to have a wax layer applied.

Unless, of course, you have a problem with the paint itself...
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Old 06-26-2009, 10:31 AM   #3
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I would suggest a good Paint Cleaner, go easy and use a non gritty cleaner maybe one of the synthetics, then follow that with a polish then wax it. You may want to visit a local reputable auto detailer who has at least three years of experience and ask his/her opinion. This is hard to speculate on and you do not want to end up burning through the clear coat.
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Old 07-08-2009, 10:48 PM   #4
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Ok. Not starting a new thread and you CAN"T flame me for not searching. Name:  wmsmiley.gif
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Soooooooo what the heck is a 'Clay Bar'?
How do you use it?
And what does it do?

Do I need one?

Feel free to chime in. One at a time though.
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Old 07-08-2009, 10:49 PM   #5
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Ok. Not starting a new thread and you CAN"T flame me for not searching. Attachment 37091

Soooooooo what the heck is a 'Clay Bar'?
How do you use it?
And what does it do?

Do I need one?

Feel free to chime in. One at a time though.
It's a bar made out of clay You tefloned your car, so you don't need it, unless you want to remove the teflon coating..
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:49 AM   #6
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I used the claybar last night and got all of the debris off of the car. The surface was noticeably better, but i still have a few spots on the hood. They don't look like water spots. My girlfriend said they looked like little wrinkles in the paint. Maybe something from the trailer? Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about and what I could do for them?
Without seeing picture's, I can only guess at what the spots look like and what's caused them. There could be any number of causes.

That being said, I'd recommend using a "cleaner wax" or similiar product which contains a very mild abrasive. It sounds like it could be something in the clear coat. You want to "cut" into it, but as minimally as possible. If that removes the spot(s), follow up with a good quality wax/polish.

"Wrinkles" makes me think of the damage done from bird droppings left on paint. I've seen this, and using the method stated above, I've been able to remove all the blemishes.

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Old 07-09-2009, 09:27 AM   #7
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If there are "wrinkles" in the paint, it might be paint shrinkage or some contaminant was on the car when it was painted. You may want to have the dealer look at it. Given that the hood is aluminum, there could be some type of contamination issue. I know the Mustang had paint issues on some of the aluminum hoods.
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I have some defects on my car...It looks like my car has pimples!! So it could definetly be a paint issue. I would love to knwo if GM would repaint, but I dont have the patience to start fighting with my dealer to have it fixed.

If somebody else wins that fight, then I am next to go in and get it fixed!
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Ok. Not starting a new thread and you CAN"T flame me for not searching. Attachment 37091

Soooooooo what the heck is a 'Clay Bar'?
How do you use it?
And what does it do?

Do I need one?

Feel free to chime in. One at a time though.
A PITA but well worth it if you want to do everything you can to avoid scratching the paint while washing and/or waxing. A clay bar will remove most surface contaminants. For a good look at clay-baring go here...

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Old 07-09-2009, 11:47 AM   #10
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Awesome video, Thanks, I'm sure alot of people will need this like me.
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Thank you for the video that helped understand it alot.
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Awesome video, Thanks, I'm sure alot of people will need this like me.
It's actually very easy to do. All it requires is a little more time, and patience. But IMO, its worth doing.
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Old 07-09-2009, 06:49 PM   #14
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Claying didn't remove my water spots either. I used Z-PC from Zaino. By hand it took alot on elbow grease. I used a buffer then by hand to get the small amount off. IMO the best stuff I found so far.
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A PITA but well worth it if you want to do everything you can to avoid scratching the paint while washing and/or waxing. A clay bar will remove most surface contaminants.
Just make sure to kneed the clay pretty frequently so that you are using "fresh" clay. The clay will grab debris off the paint and if you then go over the surface you might as well be using sandpaper. If you drop it on the ground, then throw it away for the same reason mentioned above.
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There 2 types of waterspots

ones that are etched into the clearcoat and ones that aren't.

you need an abrasive to get the etched ones out (Z-PC or other buffing compound)

you can wash the surface spots off... or just wipe them off
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:22 PM   #17
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I used the claybar last night and got all of the debris off of the car. The surface was noticeably better, but i still have a few spots on the hood. They don't look like water spots. My girlfriend said they looked like little wrinkles in the paint. Maybe something from the trailer? Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about and what I could do for them?
Yup, I've got them....irregular wrinkles about the diameter of a pencil eraser.
Almost a dozen spots on the hood, roof and trunklid.

Blotting with bug and tar remover with a microfiber towel will reduce the size but does not eliminate them. The wrinkles appear etched into the clear coat.
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Yup, I've got them....irregular wrinkles about the diameter of a pencil eraser.
Almost a dozen spots on the hood, roof and trunklid.

Blotting with bug and tar remover with a microfiber towel will reduce the size but does not eliminate them. The wrinkles appear etched into the clear coat.
Wet sanding time...

Warning children- DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME (if you've never done it before).

Edit-> BTW, nothing coarser than 1500 to start.
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Yup, I've got them....irregular wrinkles about the diameter of a pencil eraser.
Almost a dozen spots on the hood, roof and trunklid.

Blotting with bug and tar remover with a microfiber towel will reduce the size but does not eliminate them. The wrinkles appear etched into the clear coat.
If the clay doesn't get it all try some diluted distilled white vinegar diluted with water, followed with some polish.
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If the clay doesn't get it all try some diluted distilled white vinegar diluted with water, followed with some polish.
Good advice but I got the impression that it's actually a CC defect(s) as opposed to post-contamination.
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Wet sanding time...

Warning children- DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME (if you've never done it before).

Edit-> BTW, nothing coarser than 1500 to start.
Noooooo! Maybe a couple of years down the road when I get more bird crap and rock chips.
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If the clay doesn't get it all try some diluted distilled white vinegar diluted with water, followed with some polish.
Claybar does not remove the wrinkles because it's not a surface contaminant. Scratch/swirl remover will help to an extent until the blemish becomes a low spot on the paint then I have to stop.
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Noooooo! Maybe a couple of years down the road when I get more bird crap and rock chips.
Wet sanding is nothing to be afraid of; in fact I'm considering block sanding Waldo over the winter while he's sitting in the garage for 3 months doing nothing. That being said, I've had SOME experience doing it and have a good friend who is just short of a pro at it. He is positive that "we" can have Waldo's "skin" looking like glass as long as we TAKE OUR TIME and concentrate on one thing at a time- i.e. one door. Wet sanding is a project, not something to do one cloudy afternoon.
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Wet sanding is nothing to be afraid of; in fact I'm considering block sanding Waldo over the winter while he's sitting in the garage for 3 months doing nothing. That being said, I've had SOME experience doing it and have a good friend who is just short of a pro at it. He is positive that "we" can have Waldo's "skin" looking like glass as long as we TAKE OUR TIME and concentrate on one thing at a time- i.e. one door. Wet sanding is a project, not something to do one cloudy afternoon.
if you do... orange peel is gone

I hear that the clear is pretty thin.... so be careful
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if you do... orange peel is gone

I hear that the clear is pretty thin.... so be careful
That's one place GM screws up. I'd have GLADLY paid another few hundred bucks for an additional clear coat while it's being painted. It wouldn't cost them half that much to do it while it's going through paint. I'd love to see that as an option code for future ordering.
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