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Old 05-11-2013, 07:44 PM   #1
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Crank Position Sensor. Help me find.

Ok, so my car killed on me at Starbucks. Took 6 or 7 times to get it to stay started. And the code once again was crank position sensor. Also threw a oil pressure sensor code this time. Oil pressure could have been because I kept having to restart it. (I was in the drive through line)

So which wire is it on the picture? All the wires look good and it's really tight. Changing it will be a major bitch looks like.

1. is a wire directly above the starter that you can't see.
2. is shown
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#2 is the crank sensor. Remove the starter and you can access the crank sensor easily.

#3 is the knock sensor.
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Damn. What a pita.


How does that go bad? And with it inside the rest of the harnesses it's going to be a pain. I don't even know where it goes to.
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The harness will unplug from the sensor, then use a 10mm socket to remove the sensor retaining bolt. You can leave the wires connected to the starter, remove the bolts and slide it out of the way. This will give you enough room to remove the crank sensor.
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Odd that a sensor can just go bad like that. Of course if this is my problem that I've had the past 2 years then I'd very much like that.

So I guess it's order time.


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A quick check would be to backprobe the connector, one wire should have 5 volts + at key on, one wire should be ground and the other should have signal as you are turning the engine over by hand (socket on crank pulley etc). It should be on/off/on/off etc etc as the crankshaft reluctor ring passed over the sensor face.

if it doesn't register any signal, the sensor is probably bad, barring that the pin in the connector isn't getting a poor connection.
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Damn. What a pita.


How does that go bad? And with it inside the rest of the harnesses it's going to be a pain. I don't even know where it goes to.
If it turns out that it's not the sensor (I replaced mine and it turned out to be something else), let me know.
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I have seen issues with the harness rubbing on the motor mount bracket/block. The symptoms sound like a faulty crank sensor IMO.
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Old 05-11-2013, 11:28 PM   #9
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Odd that a sensor can just go bad like that. Of course if this is my problem that I've had the past 2 years then I'd very much like that.

So I guess it's order time.


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Probably going to have to chalk it up to "S#%t Happens". My oil pressure sensor went out after 10 months. Replaced it and have had zero problems since.
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Think about it this way. Everything breaks eventually. Eventually has to be sometime. Why not now?
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A quick check would be to backprobe the connector, one wire should have 5 volts + at key on, one wire should be ground and the other should have signal as you are turning the engine over by hand (socket on crank pulley etc). It should be on/off/on/off etc etc as the crankshaft reluctor ring passed over the sensor face.

if it doesn't register any signal, the sensor is probably bad, barring that the pin in the connector isn't getting a poor connection.
Easier to just replace the sensor and see.

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If it turns out that it's not the sensor (I replaced mine and it turned out to be something else), let me know.
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I have seen issues with the harness rubbing on the motor mount bracket/block. The symptoms sound like a faulty crank sensor IMO.
Yup, I looked for any sign of that. I REALLY hoped to find some. But it all looks good.

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Probably going to have to chalk it up to "S#%t Happens". My oil pressure sensor went out after 10 months. Replaced it and have had zero problems since.
I'd have to take the blower back off to get to the OPS.
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Think about it this way. Everything breaks eventually. Eventually has to be sometime. Why not now?
I suppose. Be nice to get it to quit dying under load at idle speed. AND to get it to not hesitate when gassing on it. It will just sit there for a small moment when I put it in gear and push the gas. Then just go.
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Pq have you ever checked your ignition system?
Checked spark plugs?
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The old crank position sensor/check stabilitrac/ reduced power mode problem crops up again. Seems to occur for many when the battery is low or the starter is having difficulty turning the motor. I have it crop up occasionally since installing the ERL 500 cu in motor when the motor's hot, battery is hot......everything is hot. Once it cools down it will fire right up properly. We've pulled and checked everything. It's almost like the starter is pulling all the power/amperage from the battery and the ECU get's messed up temporarily. I'm going to run a larger gauge power wire from the battery first followed by a high torque starter.....if it will fit down there now.
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The old crank position sensor/check stabilitrac/ reduced power mode problem crops up again. Seems to occur for many when the battery is low or the starter is having difficulty turning the motor. I have it crop up occasionally since installing the ERL 500 cu in motor when the motor's hot, battery is hot......everything is hot. Once it cools down it will fire right up properly. We've pulled and checked everything. It's almost like the starter is pulling all the power/amperage from the battery and the ECU get's messed up temporarily. I'm going to run a larger gauge power wire from the battery first followed by a high torque starter.....if it will fit down there now.
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That's what it was for me....was happening 1-2 times a month (whether the engine was hot or cold)....battery was only 2yrs old....replaced it (after replacing the crankshaft sensor, insulating each individual wire in the harness, etc.) and it didn't happen again for about 6-7 months until the weather got hot.....then the engine would get hot as would the starter and she wouldn't crank until she cooled down a little.
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A lot of times even just adding a heavy ground from the battery to the engine will help reduce the current drop.
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Pq have you ever checked your ignition system?
Checked spark plugs?
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Checked on a dyno?
Yes to all. But not since the cel was beginning to come on.


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The old crank position sensor/check stabilitrac/ reduced power mode problem crops up again. Seems to occur for many when the battery is low or the starter is having difficulty turning the motor. I have it crop up occasionally since installing the ERL 500 cu in motor when the motor's hot, battery is hot......everything is hot. Once it cools down it will fire right up properly. We've pulled and checked everything. It's almost like the starter is pulling all the power/amperage from the battery and the ECU get's messed up temporarily. I'm going to run a larger gauge power wire from the battery first followed by a high torque starter.....if it will fit down there now.
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That's what it was for me....was happening 1-2 times a month (whether the engine was hot or cold)....battery was only 2yrs old....replaced it (after replacing the crankshaft sensor, insulating each individual wire in the harness, etc.) and it didn't happen again for about 6-7 months until the weather got hot.....then the engine would get hot as would the starter and she wouldn't crank until she cooled down a little.
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A lot of times even just adding a heavy ground from the battery to the engine will help reduce the current drop.
Are we saying it could just be the battery here?
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Are we saying it could just be the battery here?[/QUOTE]

In my case it was the battery in the end. I also know one other local Camaro owner who was having the same issue. He too replaced the battery and never had another problem.

Not saying it's your particular fix but keep it in mind if replacing the sensor doesn't work. I had mine checked before I replaced it and it was within specs. Replaced it anyway but kept having the same problem. Heard about another guy who had the same problem but in his case, it turned out to be a short in one of his wires....mine turned out to be the battery. There are few others on this forum who replaced their battery and the problem went away.

Now I've got to figure out a way to keep the starter from getting so hot. I have two inch primaries and I don't think a high torque starter will fit. I'm not sure I can wrap it in insulation either....there's not much room.

I'll try the thicker gauge battery cables that have been recommended.

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It would not hurt to change your battery. You have like 80K miles on your car and it could be the battery. But you have also had the car stalling ever since you got the CAM and tune if I remember correctly. So the sensor could of been going out all this time also and finally died.
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In my case it was the battery in the end. I also know one other local Camaro owner who was having the same issue. He too replaced the battery and never had another problem.

Not saying it's your particular fix but keep it in mind if replacing the sensor doesn't work. I had mine checked before I replaced it and it was within specs. Replaced it anyway but kept having the same problem. Heard about another guy who had the same problem but in his case, it turned out to be a short in one of his wires....mine turned out to be the battery. There are few others on this forum who replaced their battery and the problem went away.

Now I've got to figure out a way to keep the starter from getting so hot. I have two inch primaries and I don't think a high torque starter will fit. I'm not sure I can wrap it in insulation either....there's not much room.

I'll try the thicker gauge battery cables that have been recommended.

Good luck.
Ok. I'll keep that in mind. The sensor is only 45.00 or so. Maybe I'll try the battery first.

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It would not hurt to change your battery. You have like 80K miles on your car and it could be the battery. But you have also had the car stalling ever since you got the CAM and tune if I remember correctly. So the sensor could of been going out all this time also and finally died.
Yup, that's what I was thinking. So I'll just replace the sensor and see what happens.

Maybe I'll just put Bonnies Vette battery in mine to see too.
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One of the most important things to check for with an intermittent electrical issue are the grounds. Check both connections at the battery. The negative cable is a short cable that bolts to the truck pan. Make sure it is clean and tight.

In the engine compartment check the cable on the right cylinder head. It mounts to a stud and then to the inner fender area.

On my Camaro I eliminated the factory ground wire and installed two 2 gauge ground straps going from the body to the engine. This doubled the amount of ground cable from the engine to the body.
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Mine is still the stock battery and cables. 85k+ on the car. Blower and cam have been in almost half those miles.
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So do we get to the crank sensor from the bottom of the car?
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Wow. I forgot about this thread.

It was unrelated but my cam killed my engine. So I'm in hover mode.

Open the hood and see my torque converter. hahaha

Used 5th Gen Camaro with a helluva suspension and exhaust system.
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Wow. I forgot about this thread.

It was unrelated but my cam killed my engine. So I'm in hover mode.

Open the hood and see my torque converter. hahaha

Used 5th Gen Camaro with a helluva suspension and exhaust system.
So where is the location of the sensor lol ha ha
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