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Old 09-18-2014, 04:04 PM   #1
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Zaino user, please teach me about Adams or other recommendations!

I like to mix things up. Looking for a polish (polymer based, sealant vs paint correction) or carnauba combo to try out from Adams or others you guys/gals prefer.

Long time Zaino user, and looking to see your thoughts on comparisons. I also have some P21S carnua that i used before, but not yet on the Camaro...

What do you all think would really enhance the AGM?

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Old 09-18-2014, 04:21 PM   #2
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Do you only want Adam's suggestions? If so, why?
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Old 09-18-2014, 04:36 PM   #3
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Do you only want Adam's suggestions? If so, why?
By all means I have an open mind. I just see a lot of Adams on here. Please let me know a good suggestion or two!
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Old 09-18-2014, 05:06 PM   #4
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Beautiful car! Looks like you're maintaining it well already.

I'd be happy to make some recommendations from our Professional Line if needed, but I'm a little confused by your post - and this might be because you're coming from Zaino.

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Really comparing 2 different aspects of detailing there with sealant vs. paint correction. Zaino relies on filling/masking more than correcting, which is a unique aspect to their products. They do their customers a little disservice by mis-categorizing the products which leads to confusion.

Polish = mixture of abrasive particles in a liquid suspension that thru a mechanical action 'levels' the clear coat to remove imperfections like swirls or scratches.

Sealant = a synthetic product that provides a sacrificial barrier between the elements and your paint. Doesn't do anything to correct imperfections and typically will have minimal impact on masking defects.

So I guess what I'm getting at - if you want to see the best results you'll need both products for paint correction and then a sealant to protect it. Not either / or.

Maybe Im mis reading your post though. Happy to help anyway I can.
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Old 09-18-2014, 05:19 PM   #5
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Did you get a chance to see this yet? I pretty much did all the comparison work for you

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275418
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Old 09-18-2014, 05:24 PM   #6
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Beautiful car! Looks like you're maintaining it well already.

I'd be happy to make some recommendations from our Professional Line if needed, but I'm a little confused by your post - and this might be because you're coming from Zaino.



Really comparing 2 different aspects of detailing there with sealant vs. paint correction. Zaino relies on filling/masking more than correcting, which is a unique aspect to their products. They do their customers a little disservice by mis-categorizing the products which leads to confusion.

Polish = mixture of abrasive particles in a liquid suspension that thru a mechanical action 'levels' the clear coat to remove imperfections like swirls or scratches.

Sealant = a synthetic product that provides a sacrificial barrier between the elements and your paint. Doesn't do anything to correct imperfections and typically will have minimal impact on masking defects.

So I guess what I'm getting at - if you want to see the best results you'll need both products for paint correction and then a sealant to protect it. Not either / or.

Maybe Im mis reading your post though. Happy to help anyway I can.
Thanks for the compliment. I love detailing the car. It is a good stress release for me. I may be confused on the products here coming from the Zaino world. I need to correct or fill some light scratches I got, but I am also looking for a good product to try that is new.

I like the depth, slickness and shine qualities of Zaino. I keep the car clean and it is not my daily, so maybe a good Carnuba is the way to go.

I am open minded, just looking for any edge to make the AGM pop. I plan on hitting some local shows and cruises and just like to have the car stand out a tad.
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Old 09-18-2014, 05:27 PM   #7
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Did you get a chance to see this yet? I pretty much did all the comparison work for you

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275418
I did actually. I also ordered a new wash, detail spray and two buckets. The paint on these is just so easy to scratch. I got a few on mine with decent microfibers, so I am upping my game to do better.

Can you do a Carnuba over a sealer?
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Matts recommendation thread linked above is a great resource, although it doesn't recommend nearly enough SCG Pro products

You'll have to change how you think about this stuff a little coming from Zaino.

Imperfections and swirl marks will need to be corrected using polishes, pads, and a machine (no way around that - working by hand you'll never correct the paint fully)

Once corrected you can then move to your LSP's (last step products) which can be a sealant or a wax (or both) depending on your preference and needs. Since you mentioned its not daily and its well maintained you would be a prime candidate for a carnauba product for sure.

In terms of correction - depending on what kind of imperfections you might be dealing with our Rapid AIO is a great one step that will knock out minor swirls and finishes down incredibly clean - even deposits some wax at the same time as a nice base for a more substantial carnauba product.
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Matts recommendation thread linked above is a great resource, although it doesn't recommend nearly enough SCG Pro products

You'll have to change how you think about this stuff a little coming from Zaino.

Imperfections and swirl marks will need to be corrected using polishes, pads, and a machine (no way around that - working by hand you'll never correct the paint fully)

Once corrected you can then move to your LSP's (last step products) which can be a sealant or a wax (or both) depending on your preference and needs. Since you mentioned its not daily and its well maintained you would be a prime candidate for a carnauba product for sure.

In terms of correction - depending on what kind of imperfections you might be dealing with our Rapid AIO is a great one step that will knock out minor swirls and finishes down incredibly clean - even deposits some wax at the same time as a nice base for a more substantial carnauba product.
I do have a PC type buffer and have used Menzera Super Intensive polish on another car, but the paint on this has me cautious to use anything too rough and risk cutting too far.

I do need to bite the bullet and give it a try. Is Rapid AIO pretty easy to use with a random orbital?
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I did actually. I also ordered a new wash, detail spray and two buckets. The paint on these is just so easy to scratch. I got a few on mine with decent microfibers, so I am upping my game to do better.

Can you do a Carnuba over a sealer?
Awesome. Yes, you can absolutely top a sealant with carnauba.
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Matts recommendation thread linked above is a great resource, although it doesn't recommend nearly enough SCG Pro products

You'll have to change how you think about this stuff a little coming from Zaino.

Imperfections and swirl marks will need to be corrected using polishes, pads, and a machine (no way around that - working by hand you'll never correct the paint fully)

Once corrected you can then move to your LSP's (last step products) which can be a sealant or a wax (or both) depending on your preference and needs. Since you mentioned its not daily and its well maintained you would be a prime candidate for a carnauba product for sure.

In terms of correction - depending on what kind of imperfections you might be dealing with our Rapid AIO is a great one step that will knock out minor swirls and finishes down incredibly clean - even deposits some wax at the same time as a nice base for a more substantial carnauba product.
Hey now. I think you're mentioned in nearly every category I've tried.
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I do have a PC type buffer and have used Menzera Super Intensive polish on another car, but the paint on this has me cautious to use anything too rough and risk cutting too far.

I do need to bite the bullet and give it a try. Is Rapid AIO pretty easy to use with a random orbital?
For best results you will need to polish, and if you have a PC you're all set (assuming you have the backing plate and grab some pads)

Menz SIP is a great polish, so if you still have that no reason you couldn't use it again if you wanted to.

Rapid is extremely easy to work with and is ideal for light to moderate correction work, which it sounds like your car will need. Its designed with speed in mind - one pad, one machine, one chemical, and a quick pass - you're done.

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Hey now. I think you're mentioned in nearly every category I've tried.
just felt like giving you a hard time.
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For best results you will need to polish, and if you have a PC you're all set (assuming you have the backing plate and grab some pads)

Menz SIP is a great polish, so if you still have that no reason you couldn't use it again if you wanted to.

Rapid is extremely easy to work with and is ideal for light to moderate correction work, which it sounds like your car will need. Its designed with speed in mind - one pad, one machine, one chemical, and a quick pass - you're done.



just felt like giving you a hard time.
I think I am going to try the AIO. What pad works best with ths product? I do have a backing plate. Not sure I have a new pad though. Will check to see what color I have.

Edit.... I have a Lake County Orange Light Cutting pad still sealed. Is this too light?
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If anything it's too heavy. If you have a well maintained 2014 you shouldn't need anything more than the white LC pad. Always do a test spot to know for sure. You want the least aggressive pad to get the job done.
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If anything it's too heavy. If you have a well maintained 2014 you shouldn't need anything more than the white LC pad. Always do a test spot to know for sure. You want the least aggressive pad to get the job done.
Thanks. I ordered a white polish pad to see how it does. The scratches I have a very light and not a huge deal, but I really want to get them out. I hate swirls, or anything like them.

Thanks everyone for the feedback.
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