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Old 06-05-2013, 02:06 PM   #101
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Anyone can get an A rating if no one speaks up and then again all you gotta do is slip your local BBB a few bucks and they adjust your rating.
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Old 06-05-2013, 02:15 PM   #102
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Have you looked these guys up? They got an A rating.
Yes I did. It is why I have not jumped on the "lawyer up" bandwagon. Once that happens, the BBB will stop their investigation. They don't like responses like the one JoeyB got, and their rating will probably go down if he let's them finish thier work. If he lawyer's up, then it will probably stay at an A rating.

I wonder if that isn't part of the GMS MO??? Force everyone to court and keep it out of the public eye.
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Old 06-05-2013, 02:17 PM   #103
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As for them showing me "secret financials" that is really not the case. They never showed me your credit card info or personal info just the fact that you never purchased anything from them other then the turbo which you said were purchased under duress because you were stranded in AZ and your engineer and Turbo Tech who sold you the parts were not there to support you.

You guys all said prove it - I went there to get the info and based on all the crap that was flying around he was more than happy to show me the truth.
If you din't see any personal information, then how do you know it's R's invoice. It could be any old invoice he pulled out.
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Old 06-05-2013, 02:27 PM   #104
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This clown types and speaks way better than evilcamaro. Did you get him hooked on Phonics?
Why is it OK for you to bash Granatelli but not OK for me to stand up for them? Seems like a double standard here.

As for the Joey B - I doubt GMS called the BBB about you right - it was you that called them I assume. Now they have a restraining order against you? Seems like they don't give those out for no reason. If your posts and tone here represent the way you are everyday then yes I can see how you got yourself to the place you are at. It says you threatened their customers. Well let’s see you basically bashed Tom D, Me and Sweasey. You said man up and by at Granatelli on Tuesday. I was there most of day while they did more stuff to my car. I guess that restraining order thing kept you from coming

Mr. SSE42SS I get that you are mad at J.R. and Granatelli but I still don't see how you hold them responsible for all that is wrong in your camaro world. We just need to agree to disagree on that.

I plan to start a new thread on everything I do to my car. When it comes time to forced induction I will give them that job as well. If Tom D and GMG69 who both have Granatelli motors say otherwise then I guess I would be a fool to go back to them. Right now we have 1 guy who hates the world and blame Granatelli for a 1 year old motor problem that seems to have been there before hand and another that feels he paid too much for Turbos and when I said I saw the paperwork tht shows he only paid for Ball Bearing upgrades and got a full refund for the journel bearing part. He did not call me a liar and prove me wrong - he just said mind your own business more or less.

You guys are right - your battle with J.R. is not my battle. I will end this by saying I now have more than free air and brake rotors. It will all go in my new thread. You all talk about free air as if it was a joke but it was always about customer service and how they treated me. Just like CamaroMax above.

CamaroMax is this your car?


Seems like you got a great deal as well. Can we add this guy to the happy customer side or J.R. rolodex - He claims he only met him briefly
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Old 06-05-2013, 03:25 PM   #105
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If you din't see any personal information, then how do you know it's R's invoice. It could be any old invoice he pulled out.
That’s very truth but the person lived in Texas and the charge was on April 15th, 2011 if that rings a bell. My baby brothers’ birthday so I remember the date. His name was also on the invoice but I don't remember it at this moment. I am sure it could all be a huge BS story by Granatelli but why lie about that? The paperwork said re-work customers’ turbo for upgrade Gen 5 Rotation. He lead me to believe that was SSE 4 2 SS paperwork
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Yes I did. It is why I have not jumped on the "lawyer up" bandwagon. Once that happens, the BBB will stop their investigation. They don't like responses like the one JoeyB got, and their rating will probably go down if he let's them finish thier work. If he lawyer's up, then it will probably stay at an A rating.

I wonder if that isn't part of the GMS MO??? Force everyone to court and keep it out of the public eye.
It seems to me the BBB got a black eye when they started extorting business's with "pay for a grade" I saw on TV where Wolfgang Puck was in a lawsuit with the BBB because they said pay or get a bad grade and when he said NO – they gave all his restaurants F grades. They were pretty much exposed after that.

Like the BAR in California. I you get regular repair work and something goes wrong then by all means whine away. But they don’t strike me as the proper channel to ask for help on you self proclaimed Street Driven Race Engine. BAR and RACE don’t mix. It says Granatelli is not a paid member therefore their Grade does not appear to be paid for but earned. If they get service like I did I see why they got the grade.

Everyone here says Granatelli took care of them – even Joey B. He just says after something went wrong he was not there to support him like buy him a new motor. If it is true what the above thread says – Granatelli never even got a chance to see the problem so again – something is fishy. You know what they say. There is the customers’ side of things, the business’s side of things and then the true lies in the middle. Joey B had us believing he can’t drive his car a block without an issue but never mentioned the work was done a year ago. If the work was done a year ago and it never worked why keep going back or why wait a year to go on here and say it never worked?
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Old 06-05-2013, 03:45 PM   #107
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Hey, hey, hey, I'm on no one's side, I'm on my side. Yes, that's my baby that I worked so damn hard for :')
If something is under 200, of course I'll be happy as long as it doesn't give me problems. I wouldn't pay 500 for an axle back even if that is what they cost. I ain't got that money.

I'm just offering my experience. Even though it did take from like 10am til 3pm to install it -.- there's good and there's bad.


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Old 06-05-2013, 03:53 PM   #108
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Have you looked these guys up? They got an A rating.

As for them showing me "secret financials" that is really not the case. They never showed me your credit card info or personal info just the fact that you never purchased anything from them other then the turbo which you said were purchased under duress because you were stranded in AZ and your engineer and Turbo Tech who sold you the parts were not there to support you.

You guys all said prove it - I went there to get the info and based on all the crap that was flying around he was more than happy to show me the truth.
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That’s very truth but the person lived in Texas and the charge was on April 15th, 2011 if that rings a bell. My baby brothers’ birthday so I remember the date. His name was also on the invoice but I don't remember it at this moment. I am sure it could all be a huge BS story by Granatelli but why lie about that? The paperwork said re-work customers’ turbo for upgrade Gen 5 Rotation. He lead me to believe that was SSE 4 2 SS paperwork
You are contridicting yourself. It is a lot like when you keep misrepresenting the charge dispute SSE 4 2SS described clearly (3 times no less). First you say they didn't share ANY personal info. Now you say you saw his name but don't remember it. Either you saw personal information on the invoice or you didn't.

Also, you seem to be relying pretty heavily on GMS' documentation. Just to refresh your memory, here is the OP with some interesting things highlighted (bold/red).

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I've spent over $30,000. with upgrades JR Granatelli recommended and can't even drive my car 1 block w/o it breaking down and when i demanded he fix it or I'd take him to court his response was sue him.
Flood this scam artist with post. The C-sucker blocked me, and won't answer my calls. Found this on the web:

granatellimotorsports.com

THIS Company has a history of DEFECTIVE EQUIPMENT and their quality and service is substandard


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This company, retained several Nationwide Unsatisfactory Records with the BBB for Failing to Respond to Consumer Complaints (links below).

Along with having been issued 19 individual Violations from the State Enforcement Agency, 'Consumer Affairs' (BAR).

Specifically, but not limited to, violating several sections of the Business and Professions Code depicted below:

Section 9884.7 (a)(1) False and Misleading Statements
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Section 988.4.9 (a) Estimate Requirements
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:47 PM   #109
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slowfofo... J.R.

Your backside is showing and the more frustrated you get, the more you're typing like the J.R. of old... I'll eventually determine that you are not the person you claim to be.... It's not hard though I can't do that from work...

When I do, I'll post that up for everyone to see that not only are you a crooked businessman, you are also a blatant habitual liar...

Why would you show business documents to a person whom had only been in your shop one time for free air.. Why would someone come to your "performance" shop in the first place to look at a tire. Seems like a huge Stretch...

Dates, how convenient... Looked that up on the invoice again I figure.

You J.R. are way too informed and close to be a bystander just concerned for someone to get a fair shake...

Shall we go to all the other forums and start posting the arguments you throw back at people who find you out... I did a short search the other day and found dozens of them... It's amazing all the sponsors and vendors out there that can manage to stay on a site... Why can't you... Oh that's right... you get too defensive when the strikes hit this close to home... Your true color of white with little black specks shows up...

How would you like it if I had a part of yours and sold it and gave you what I thought it was worth. Thats theft regardless of how you slice it... Remember, I paid for them with my own money... They were not and are still not yours to sell to someone else, regardless of what you think...

I remained quiet about this for two years... but after so many people asked me to bring it up, and then seeing you continue to screw others... I decided to no longer be silent... I actually feel better for it... I bet you don't...

Get off this all you paid for was a ballbearing upgrade... They were my turbo's bought and paid for... I'm sorry if you were pissed you didn't get a cut from TTI... You and George split the sheets or what... Why should you get a cut... Your cue card salespeople couldn't answer questions... So we called someone with the skills to actually build this kit...

Your a worthless weasel making money off daddy's name... and can't even do that worth a dang.

I bet he would be real proud if he knew the person you grew up to be... Can you read the sarcasm there or do I need to get my crayon and big chief tablet out to draw you a picture... I hope you don't show the kiddos how to cook the books and screw the customer... How shameful and disappointing that would be... Fine example...

I gotta ask, are you going to file a restraining order against me as well...

Feel free, that ought to cost you about as much as you screwed me out of... I'm not out the 30K you got the op for... but it's the principal... and now you've officially pissed me off... No, I make no threats... That's not me... I'm really a pretty casual person... Remember how well I took the "I'm getting screwed news in Phoenix," with a grain of salt...

And... slowfofo,..lol.. J.R. feel free to start a build thread... but if it appears to be an advertising thread for Granatelli, a permanently banned member/former sponsor, pay close attention... GMS, J.R. is banned for a reason... and we do not/will not allow for free advertising here on this site for your business... GMS..
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I couldn't read through all of the pages. I have read through so many threads JUST like this one where granatelli screwed someone bad. I found SOOO much disturbing sh!t while I was google-stalking evilcamaro. I didn't realize when I called him out that there were mods that his puppet master bent over. That would explain why he was obviously watched like a hawk after that. His fate on this forum is the same as it has been on every other forum. I'm sorry you guys got burned. I KNOW you're telling it like it is... I've seen it a million times.
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Oh, and I wonder what would happen if I filed a complaint with the BBB in your area for, oh... I don't know... lets see...

"Business Products and Service, or.... I'ld be sure to show them where you and George fight over claiming that my Turbo kits was in fact both of yours to sell me, regardless of who got the check... See how that works... If you had sold me the kit and it broke, and I couldn't get ahold of you, would it have been ok to get ahold of George... Curious minds want to know... See, both of you claimed the kit... that means you are in bed together as far as the kit goes... So, yes, George got the check but I bought the Granatelli/TTI Twin Turbo Kit... I can post those comments again if you like....

oh, how about your "Privacy Policy or Practices"...

I bet they would be interested to know that you randomly show customer invoices to random dorks off the street that stop by for a bit of free air... In this day and age of identity theft, you do realize you could be help liable if suddenly some random charges and identity problems occurred due to you showing a relative stranger my personal information... Hmmm. Texas... Hmm date of purchase... hmmm..... I'm sure other potential customers on here are noting that you are willing to show their information to random dorks off the street to prove a point...

Hmmmm. I'm betting it would one... never show in your rating... since you obviously pay these people off or take them to dinner like some of the others in this thread... and I'm betting I might even join the elite group with a restraining order filed against me...

Wanna pony up some odds....

Note potential customers... J.R. Granatelli will share your random purchase information with dorks off the street in an effort to prove what an upstanding businessman he is... Ironic isn't it...

See J.R. I copied and saved all the post in this thread and others relevant to this conversation...
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http://forums.corral.net/forums/loun...ad-but-16.html

Reminds me of this thread.
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I couldn't read through all of the pages. I have read through so many threads JUST like this one where granatelli screwed someone bad. I found SOOO much disturbing sh!t while I was google-stalking evilcamaro. I didn't realize when I called him out that there were mods that his puppet master bent over. That would explain why he was obviously watched like a hawk after that. His fate on this forum is the same as it has been on every other forum. I'm sorry you guys got burned. I KNOW you're telling it like it is... I've seen it a million times.
I wasn't a Mod on this site when this occured, and I bet he loathes the day he found out I was selected to be a mod... If nothing else he should have paid attention to the amount of attention my car was getting leading up to the Fest in Phoenix... and the amount of people milling around when he decided to go ahead and screw me over what a smart businessman would have done to save a potential customer and a lot of egg on his face... It was alluded to in my build thread even after the fest but he failed to pick up on it...

There is a huge number of potential customers lost... and I left the information about where my kit came from... Granatelli/TTI in my sig for a long time.... and people that contacted me for behind the scenes information.. oops...

or , here let me lead you to some links...
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And the one where he is caught red handed by people smarter than himself.

http://forums.corral.net/forums/11204523-post395.html
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I wasn't a Mod on this site when this occured, and I bet he loathes the day he found out I was selected to be a mod... If nothing else he should have paid attention to the amount of attention my car was getting leading up to the Fest in Phoenix... and the amount of people milling around when he decided to go ahead and screw me over what a smart businessman would have done to save a potential customer and a lot of egg on his face... It was alluded to in my build thread even after the fest but he failed to pick up on it...

There is a huge number of potential customers lost... and I left the information about where my kit came from... Granatelli/TTI in my sig for a long time.... and people that contacted me for behind the scenes information.. oops...

or , here let me lead you to some links...
I see. Well... I probably shouldn't be getting involved in this as I'm not really close enough to the problem. I'll stop posting my gotcha links if you want.
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I see. Well... I probably shouldn't be getting involved in this as I'm not really close enough to the problem. I'll stop posting my gotcha links if you want.
Hey, Like slowfofo, you are an interested observer...

You know more about this than some random joe ...ahem...J.R. off the street that got some free air and then goes off on a tirade about what a saint J.R. is and how sound his business practices are... I'm really pissed about him sharing information about me to some random tool off the street...

I would post some links but my connection is too slow and it's time for me to go to bed... 3 am comes early...

I haven't run slowfofo off ... YET... but J.R. has to be uncomfortable at how this is turning out... and the more comments there are, the higher it shows up on searches about Granatelli Motor Sports... and link after link after link can't all be wrong... from forum after forum after forum... Funny how that works...
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And how do you know there was a video of my car?? O.o
It's on the GMS youtube. Everything Granatelli does goes on there.
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You are contradicting yourself. It is a lot like when you keep misrepresenting the charge dispute SSE 4 2SS described clearly (3 times no less). First you say they didn't share ANY personal info. Now you say you saw his name but don't remember it. Either you saw personal information on the invoice or you didn't.

Also, you seem to be relying pretty heavily on GMS' documentation. Just to refresh your memory, here is the OP with some interesting things highlighted (bold/red).
By personal info I mean I was not shown a copy of his CC #. You guys can chose to believe what you want to. I said I was going there and I said I would look into this. I did look into it and called BS on Granatelli, he promptly dug up the info and proved otherwise. Respectfully in my mind SSE 4 2SS waited 2 years to drop the bomb on Granatelli as well. While he explained why he waited in an earlier post it still seems like he is now using his thread power to back up his claims without any real proof. All the while J.R. was forth right and quick to produce documentation to prove otherwise. I am a facts guy and the more you guys make claims the more I simply check the facts. No one here has proven a thing to me short of J.R. He graciously addresses every question I told you guys I would ask him and backed it up.

The stuff posted by Joey B with all the links don't work for me. I tried to look at every one of them and it just goes in circles about Diablosport and such. Guys that purchased Flashtool and then wanted refunds when the tools were VIN locked. Yet no mention of calling the manufacturer. It's all just words from a few customers’ that did not get exactly what they wanted. I agree where there is smoke there is fire but when I go there looking to see where the fire originated I see crap like "my car never worked right and I am pissed" "I never got to drive my car and I never got to race my car” Then we find out it was over a year ago? Come on guys - really?

You all are bagging on me for standing up for Granatelli meanwhile the two people driving this thread consist on one person that was not really a customer of Granatelli's until he purchased turbos and the other is a person that lead us to believe he just got his car back from Granatelli and then it failed when in fact the engine work was done a year ago. Again...Really?
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:53 AM   #120
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"I'm glad your happy...

Now, and this is a rhetorical (for conversational purposes) question...

If I was transacting something with you, under less than ideal circumstances (like you are trapped 1000 miles from home with a broken car, which had only recently been completed at a sum of tens of thousands of dollars)"...

I remember this well on the way to AZ. I was one of the volunteers that helped push your car to a safe area. I had heard about all of the work that you were having done to your car and was excited to see it run on the track. I could not believe that it broke down so soon after having the work done and felt really bad for you. The Houston group are a great group of people. I had heard bits and pieces but as Mr. Rooney used to say..........now I know the rest of the story. Sorry you had to go through all of this.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:07 AM   #121
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Hmmm. Texas... Hmm date of purchase... hmmm..... I'm sure other potential customers on here are noting that you are willing to show their information to random dorks off the street to prove a point...

Since you obviously pay these people off or take them to dinner like some of the others in this thread...
I can’t address all the smoke and mirrors you just came up with as it relates to Granatelli but you said before no name calling and now you are calling me a Dork. So be it.

The fact that Granatelli and TTi claimed to both sell a kit has little to do with this issue. You’re mad and still contend that Granatelli stole your turbos. However you were credited in full for them $1000 each. You only paid for the upgrade and it appears Granatelli paid the shipping to boot. You give the guy no credit for going out of his way to help you at the event. You make it clear you never called turbo tech when your turbos took a dump but in the same breath call Granatelli (the company) incompetent but still expected them to step up to the plate and pay for all your problems. If Granatelli would have gave you the journal bearing turbos off his display engine in exchange for your failed journal bearing turbos it seems to me it would have been a wash. That is not what I saw. I saw you were credited $2000 so again you appear to have only paid for BB upgrades. If the man made a profit that is why he is in business. You can debate all day long what a fair profit is. Again I said I would look into it and when I did rather then disprove the facts you flipped your point and made it about a privacy thing.

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... If you had sold me the kit and it broke, and I couldn't get a hold of you, would it have been ok to get a hold of George... Curious minds want to know...
That seems to be a contradiction sir because above you said you never called George you just went direct to Granatelli because you had his cell number. Again you said you never called George who I assume is turbo tech. All the talk about Granatelli or TTi or Granatelli/TTi as if they where one is mute because Granatelli in fact serviced you at the track and you admit Granatelli is the only one you called once you had a problem.

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Hmmm. Texas... Hmm date of purchase... hmmm..... I'm sure other potential customers on here are noting that you are willing to show their information to random dorks off the street to prove a point...

Since you obviously pay these people off or take them to dinner like some of the others in this thread...
He showed me Texas and the Date of invoice to prove it was the same guy which again now based on your response you are agreeing he showed me the right one. It was not about giving away personal info or violating anyone’s privacy. You made it public when you came here and made the claims – he merely told his side and evidenced it with documentation.

At this point I am not defending Granatelli as much as I am calling BS on false claims. If I were Granatelli I certainly would not be here driving this thread count up and digging in like I am. I am sure even Granatelli wants this to die. Respect is not given it is earned. You don’t know me well enough to respect my word and I get that. Your post count earns you respect but when you make unsupported claims you begin to loose points as well. It clear you and Granatelli have the same recollection as to the where, when, why and how as it relates to your turbo failure. But where you guys are miles apart is service after the sale. He says he sold you new BB turbos and then credited you 100% of your original purchase for the journal bearing turbos. You say you lent the turbos to Granatelli for the show and expected them back, yet you did not take them back after the event was over and before you all went home. Granatelli sent the turbos back to Precision and then credited you 100% of your money and only charged for the upgrade. You say you just wanted the turbos back. OK GREAT. So riddle me this Batman. Granatelli gave you $1000 per turbo when you already said he pays much less. If Granatelli was only in it for the money why did he pay you exactly what you paid originally? Baring in mind you did not purchase them directly from him. All the while there was not a dime out of your engineers’ pocket or turbo techs? See where I keep going back to?
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:13 AM   #122
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Funny I asked you to meet me face to face to see if in fact you were who you claim to be and even said PM me and I would give you my personal cell.
Actually you said you would be in town Tuesday and I said fine. I went to Granatelli and told them to have you call me when you got there.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:18 PM   #123
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I can’t address all the smoke and mirrors you just came up with as it relates to Granatelli but you said before no name calling and now you are calling me a Dork. So be it.

The fact that Granatelli and TTi claimed to both sell a kit has little to do with this issue. You’re mad and still contend that Granatelli stole your turbos. However you were credited in full for them $1000 each. You only paid for the upgrade and it appears Granatelli paid the shipping to boot. You give the guy no credit for going out of his way to help you at the event. You make it clear you never called turbo tech when your turbos took a dump but in the same breath call Granatelli (the company) incompetent but still expected them to step up to the plate and pay for all your problems. If Granatelli would have gave you the journal bearing turbos off his display engine in exchange for your failed journal bearing turbos it seems to me it would have been a wash. That is not what I saw. I saw you were credited $2000 so again you appear to have only paid for BB upgrades. If the man made a profit that is why he is in business. You can debate all day long what a fair profit is. Again I said I would look into it and when I did rather then disprove the facts you flipped your point and made it about a privacy thing.

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That seems to be a contradiction sir because above you said you never called George you just went direct to Granatelli because you had his cell number. Again you said you never called George who I assume is turbo tech. All the talk about Granatelli or TTi or Granatelli/TTi as if they where one is mute because Granatelli in fact serviced you at the track and you admit Granatelli is the only one you called once you had a problem.



He showed me Texas and the Date of invoice to prove it was the same guy which again now based on your response you are agreeing he showed me the right one. It was not about giving away personal info or violating anyone’s privacy. You made it public when you came here and made the claims – he merely told his side and evidenced it with documentation.

At this point I am not defending Granatelli as much as I am calling BS on false claims. If I were Granatelli I certainly would not be here driving this thread count up and digging in like I am. I am sure even Granatelli wants this to die. Respect is not given it is earned. You don’t know me well enough to respect my word and I get that. Your post count earns you respect but when you make unsupported claims you begin to loose points as well. It clear you and Granatelli have the same recollection as to the where, when, why and how as it relates to your turbo failure. But where you guys are miles apart is service after the sale. He says he sold you new BB turbos and then credited you 100% of your original purchase for the journal bearing turbos. You say you lent the turbos to Granatelli for the show and expected them back, yet you did not take them back after the event was over and before you all went home. Granatelli sent the turbos back to Precision and then credited you 100% of your money and only charged for the upgrade. You say you just wanted the turbos back. OK GREAT. So riddle me this Batman. Granatelli gave you $1000 per turbo when you already said he pays much less. If Granatelli was only in it for the money why did he pay you exactly what you paid originally? Baring in mind you did not purchase them directly from him. All the while there was not a dime out of your engineers’ pocket or turbo techs? See where I keep going back to?
J.R., Give it up....

Like in so many forums and postings, you come up with this pseudo (fake) name, and try to save face...

So many people on so many forums have learned the truth about you... You live in a fantasy world... Just as on other forums, you can't let it go...

I'm sure if Granatelli were feeding you "Jim Day" information, he would have asked you to stop driving this thread... But you J.R. don't know when to stop... You never have... Like the links in this thread, you always come back... You screw people and then can't stand the heat...

Come up with an original method of deception... Too many see through this one...

Once again... I bought the turbo's... They belonged to me... he offered to ship them to Precision... and I stated I would pay the upgrade fees and the shipping... but was never given the oppurtunity. You decided that out of your own generosity you would sell them... They were not yours to sell...

I contacted Precision and was told there were specific instructions included to ship them back to You....

As for calling you rather than George... we spoke for a couple of minutes and then you told me you were going to call George... and then you called me back.... Remember that little detail... I do...

Why would you call George if this had no bearing on the details of helping the customer... You and George were in bed on this one... George was the builder of the kit, you were the marketer...

I bet you are having hell keeping this conversation spoken in the third party aren't you...

jojo, fofo... hmmmm not very original, but I guess you can remember that... How many other fake names do you have...

That was an interesting read on the Ford forum where you were caught red handed trying to use an employees name, what was it, Nick... That was so convoluted it was hard to follow for a bit, but there it was in black and white... Busted...

You screw people, deny it to the end, and then blame others when caught... Wow... must suck being you....
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:21 PM   #124
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:42 PM   #125
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oh, and when you claim to be someone else, you need to at least make sure that person exists...

There is no Jimmy or James Day listed in Thousand Oaks California...

There is no mention of Jimmy or James Day in the public records of Thousand Oaks...

Care to try again J.R....
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