Each Camaro against each Mustang - production

[TLSTWIN]

OK, there are ton of camaro vs mustang threads, but none of them really break down what each camaro would do against each mustang (production models). This based purely on numbers.

I started thinking about this after I saw three different Mustangs racing in front of me on my way home from work in my work VAN I wish I would have had my Camaro.

I love my camaro regardless of the results....I know I shouldn't say it here, but I like the mustang also. So I don't want this to turn into a bashing thread. I just want you camaro and mustang guys that know all the numbers to help give scenario break downs to the following and which ever ones I forgot.

Who wins the 1/4 mile, and 50mph to 120mph?

Base V6 Camaro auto/manual -- Base V6 Mustang auto/manual
Loaded V6 camaro auto/manual -- loaded V6 Mustang auto/manual
Base V8 Camaro auto/manual -- Base V8 Mustang auto/manual
Loaded V8 Camaro auto/manual -- Mustang GT
------------------------------ Mustang Cobra
------------------------------- Mustang GT 500 ( I already know this one stomps all...right?)

[MontyCarlo]

Do us a favor and remove the lines for the Cobra and GT500 before people start screaming at each other yet again about what's a fair comparison and what isn't.

[ironpeddler]

Originally Posted by MontyCarlo

Do us a favor and remove the lines for the Cobra and GT500 before people start screaming at each other yet again about what's a fair comparison and what isn't.

QFT

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by MontyCarlo

Do us a favor and remove the lines for the Cobra and GT500 before people start screaming at each other yet again about what's a fair comparison and what isn't.

Why, I stated that the GT500 was a no brainer. I also stated that this was not a bashing thread, purely a production vehicle comparison. The GT500 is faster and costs more, big deal.

I didn't know the Cobra was faster than the Camaro though. Is it really?

[Lee9710]

Definitely remove the GT500 because it is truly a superior car performance wise and I hate to say this on here but I really like that car. But as for the Cobra, I have raced a Cobra in my SS and beat it slightly. It was a street race really late at night on an open highway from a stop so I have no times, but it was close much like the SRT-8 Challenger race. I think unless there are mods on it it would be a good race. I think once the Camaro engine is broken in a little better it will pull away a little from the Cobra.

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by Lee9710

But as for the Cobra, I have raced a Cobra in my SS and beat it slightly. It was a street race really late at night on an open highway from a stop so I have no times, but it was close much like the SRT-8 Challenger race. I think unless there are mods on it it would be a good race. I think once the Camaro engine is broken in a little better it will pull away a little from the Cobra.

This is the type of response I am leaning to. I just put the GT500 on there to give the mustang guys some respect and let them know I didn't leave it off intentionally to slight them.....know what I mean....

I really do want mustang guys to post in here and state what cars are slower, faster, equal to each camaro. Just didn't want a bias thread.

[Lee9710]

Yeah I know what you mean. I think the GT500 is running like high 11's in the 1/4 vs. like 13.0 or 13.1 for the SS. I could be wrong but I have seen one do it. Not sure if it was modded or that was the stock time.

[Georgie]

did we really need another one of these... everyday a new mustang thread.

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by Georgie

did we really need another one of these... everyday a new mustang thread.

I see you read & contribute useful information. Don't read them or post in them.

[Georgie]

Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

I see you read & contribute useful information. Don't read them or post in them.

sorry bro; when i come on this camaro site and see 30 mustang threads i have the opinion that it makes the site look stupid. not saying you are stupid for posting this thread, just my opinion of what i see on the site lately.

[Shadowsong]

The Cobra hasn't been produced since 2004. I assume you are talking about the new mustangs, so you might want to knock the cobra off that list.

v6 -> GT -> GT500 are the only engine options, unless you opt for a saleen or something like that.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

unless your including used cars, the cobra should be gone. If your including used cars, then make sure to separate the generations of cobra's too.

That said:
GT500 > '03-'04 Cobra > 5th Gen SS > LS1 Fbody > MaCh 1's > '99/'01 Cobra > 05+ GT > '96-'98 Cobra > LT1 Fbody > '94/'95 Cobra > '99-'04 GT's > 5th Gen V6 > '96-'98 GT

JMO

[Georgie]

in terms of speed, i agree. in terms of everything (ride, handling, quality etc) i would do it like this for the cars made recently/2000s (now contributing to a thread i slammed )

GT500>=5TH GEN SS>TERMINATOR COBRA>MACH 1>=S197 GT>=LS1 FBODY>5TH GEN V6>S197 V6

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by Shadowsong

The Cobra hasn't been produced since 2004. I assume you are talking about the new mustangs, so you might want to knock the cobra off that list.

v6 -> GT -> GT500 are the only engine options, unless you opt for a saleen or something like that.

I had no idea they quit making the cobra....how come? I could have sworn one of the three cars racing was a new body style and the bumper said cobra

How much different is the Saleen?

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

unless your including used cars, the cobra should be gone. If your including used cars, then make sure to separate the generations of cobra's too.

That said:
GT500 > '03-'04 Cobra > 5th Gen SS > LS1 Fbody > MaCh 1's > '99/'01 Cobra > 05+ GT > '96-'98 Cobra > LT1 Fbody > '94/'95 Cobra > '99-'04 GT's > 5th Gen V6 > '96-'98 GT

JMO

How close do you see the 03-04 Cobras to the 5th Gen? Is it close? what was done to the cobra, to make it a cobra?

[tsg1391]

theres a shelby gt, but no cobra

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

How close do you see the 03-04 Cobras to the 5th Gen? Is it close? what was done to the cobra, to make it a cobra?

The 03/04 Cobra's make the same power, stock for stock, as the 5th gens (360-380 rwhp), but weigh in at 200 lbs. less. Also, they had better slightly better gearing than what is offered on the SS, especially in 3rd and 4th. The cobra's were solid 12.8-13.0 cars @ 111-113, although some have ran a good deal faster.

The 03/04 Cobra's have an IRS and a Supercharged 4v DOHC 4.6 and a 6 speed transmission, besides other differences.

[Shadowsong]

Originally Posted by tsg1391

theres a shelby gt, but no cobra

The shelby GT is just a bodykit, CAI, and signature. Not a legitimate trim level.


@ TLSTWIN The Saleen is a stock GT that gets delivered to saleen instead of the dealership, Saleen puts a body kit on it, re-does the interior, and either drops in a N/A 5.0, or Supercharges the 4.6 (depending on the specific model of the saleen) It's almost like a different car company entirely.

[hollywoodGU]

what is the mustang KR??? one here just sold. Someone told me the Mustang KR was a cobra but i guess not???

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by hollywoodGU

what is the mustang KR??? one here just sold. Someone told me the Mustang KR was a cobra but i guess not???

The KR is a GT500 (King of the Road) from the 67 model gt500. Its a Shelby Cobra badges ect...but the only Cobra that was actually had the name Cobra was the 03/04 terminator, IE Mustang Cobra SVT division.

So the new GT500's are cobra's but not named that way. They are GT500's. The cobra emblems back in the day meant the car had been upgraded with suspension, engine ect...thus Cobra's. Also that is why you may see some modern stangs with just a Cobra emblem, (not gt500 cobra emblem) because it means they have upgraded. Of course some just slap em on for no reason.

[TLSTWIN]

Great information. So depending on the driver. The Camaro and Cobra should be tight.

Now, the Saleen GT that gets the SC, where does that rank? What kinda HP was that thing kicking out?

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

Great information. So depending on the driver. The Camaro and Cobra should be tight.

Now, the Saleen GT that gets the SC, where does that rank? What kinda HP was that thing kicking out?

Well it depends. A Parnelli Jones Saleen has a built 302 forged engine. It rates at 400 HP, and will probably see about 350~360+ at the wheels or so..maybe better. 6spd tranny. (Do not have my calc up atm)....A PJ with a supershaker...well those can put down 500rwhp easily and safely due to the forge block. Also you get all of the suspension upgrades, ect as well.

A regular Saleen, that is a extreme edition, (has a 475 S/C) will crank out about 430~450RWHP depending on the pulley. I myself have a Saleen Supershaker on my GT (click the sig to see my car domain) and I put out just south of 450RWHP. I could easily get more, but I have left it there because its a safe number and I do not want things to go boom.

So Saleen cars that are S/C will put it on a stock camaro. Ones that are not S/C and not a PJ of course..well they may have some suspension upgrades, tune, and CIA, but thats about it. And heh the looks of course. But be wary...its hard to tell the regular ones from a F/I one. Unless they have a supershaker...like mines. I mean it says supershaker right on the side...duh..its not for show !

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

I myself have a Saleen Supershaker on my GT (click the sig to see my car domain) and I put out just south of 450RWHP.
I mean it says supershaker right on the side...duh..its not for show !

Nice car.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

Nice car.

Thanx !

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

Great information. So depending on the driver. The Camaro and Cobra should be tight.

Ya, it SHOULD be (atleast on paper) Stock for stock. We'll see what people can run their camaro's down to come this winter. But the '03/'04 Cobra make some very good gains with very basic mods (40 rwhp from a cai and catback), putting them at 400-420 rwhp. A tune is another 20 rwhp and a pulley is a another 30-40 rwhp.