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Old 10-24-2014, 07:00 PM   #1
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You gotta see this, import drivers are hysterical

Simple delusion. When I brought up they should race an SRT Challenger my friend has they didn't have the time.
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Old 10-24-2014, 07:59 PM   #2
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You underestimate these cars. It doesn't cost that much to get good numbers out of cars like that. This EG Sedan can run low 13s (12s on a good day) with 330WHP (and 185 tires). The guy who owns (owned) it also owns a C4 Vette (with 285 rear tires) and says the Honda pulls harder. He was asking only $4000 at the time of that video. It really doesn't take all that much. What increases cost is making a car like that reliable, but that's a different story and is irrelevant, really.

My bone stock WRX Premium can hang with my SS from a dig. Sure, it lacks top end power and gets blown away by the SS from a roll, but a few mods could fix that. About $1500 could get me an intake, better TMIC, and tune putting the AWHP near 300. Certainly $10k worth of mods to match the price of an SS would be more than sufficient.

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Old 10-24-2014, 08:19 PM   #3
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You underestimate these cars. It doesn't cost that much to get good numbers out of cars like that. This EG Sedan can run low 13s (12s on a good day) with 330WHP (and 185 tires). The guy who owns (owned) it also owns a C4 Vette (with 285 rear tires) and says the Honda pulls harder. He was asking only $4000 at the time of that video. It really doesn't take all that much. What increases cost is making a car like that reliable, but that's a different story and is irrelevant, really.

My bone stock WRX Premium can hang with my SS from a dig. Sure, it lacks top end power and gets blown away by the SS from a roll, but a few mods could fix that. About $1500 could get me an intake, better TMIC, and tune putting the AWHP near 300. Certainly $10k worth of mods to match the price of an SS would be more than sufficient.
While I agree with you...the Honda "feels" like it pulls harder because it has a turbo! My dad's volvo has a turbo but it still won't beat my car. A bone stock STI is not a normal car, a WRX is a turbo charged beast. That's what the post was about from my friend. Should be buy a WRX or turbo charge and soup up his $20,000 + 2013 Civic, I told him not to waste his money and get an STI. While noting that the cost of upgrades puts you damn close to getting a bone stock SS which is 400+hp to start and you could turbo that and blow away any Civic you ever meet.

Anyways more on topic, I don't disregard anyone. But I do disregard kids who tell me their bone stock CRX's can hang with 600 horsepower mustangs and that their 2013 Optima is faster than a V8 Camaro. I'm sorry, but that's pure delusion. Can a Honda be faster than a Camaro? Of course! With a turbo, headers, intake, exhaust and many other upgrades. Which as I posted a turbo to get to a rated 312HP on a Civic is $3000 and needs a full exhaust system.
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:23 PM   #4
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Gearing ratios, ability to hook and other things aside...take the weight of the car divided by the HP. That will tell you if it will be close. 4000lbs takes a lot of HP to be fast. I don't consider a 13 sec 1/4 mile very fast. I'm a V-8 muscle car guy but I have seen some wicked fast imports.
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:27 PM   #5
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Now that's a funny read.
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:49 PM   #6
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While noting that the cost of upgrades puts you damn close to getting a bone stock SS which is 400+hp to start and you could turbo that and blow away any Civic you ever meet.
An EG hatch with B20 swap and a turbo can be had for less than $10k. That gives it enough power for wheelspin. It's not a 1/4 mile monster, but sometimes it's more than just 1/4 mile. The Z/28 is a perfect example of that.
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Old 10-24-2014, 09:24 PM   #7
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:32 AM   #8
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It really comes down to what you want to own. Most of the kids want the import cars. They have in their minds that V8 cars are harder to work on, when in real life the import cars are the jigsaw puzzle. FWIW, import cars to mod are as expensive or more that our domestic cars.
But when It comes down to power to weight do not underestimate an import with 250+ hp that weighs half of your Camaro and a kid that knows how to drive.

Not all of them are clueless. Just most of em
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:53 AM   #9
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Gearing ratios, ability to hook and other things aside...take the weight of the car divided by the HP. That will tell you if it will be close. 4000lbs takes a lot of HP to be fast. I don't consider a 13 sec 1/4 mile very fast. I'm a V-8 muscle car guy but I have seen some wicked fast imports.
I agree, I don't find ours cars that fast stock. It is not fast enough to scare me when I get on it. Lots of cars out there can hang with us but I love the look and the ride.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:57 AM   #10
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WTF?!! LOL I see 280hp B18C EG hatch get their ass whooped by a 4 cylinder Turbo Diesel. let me add that diesel is a 4 speed automatic. Mods just the TBE, Tune, and water meth Injection.
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Old 10-25-2014, 01:18 PM   #11
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This could have been a good discussion thread, let's thank gee for ruining it......idiot. Anyways you can never really argue with ricer idiots. The most impressive Honda I've seen was a 450 whp civic that thing moved out, went throughout a ton of transmissions, but moved none the less. I will never get these people thinking 200-300 horsepower cars will beat anything if this were the late 90's very early 2000's yea maybe not today though.
There are a few ricers at Orlando Speedworld who are wicked fast, but they run supercharged rotaries. No where near streetable though. They backfire like hell at the line until they take off. It's like the run like crap unless the thing is spinning 10k.
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Old 10-25-2014, 02:40 PM   #12
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The fact is power to weight Ratio......
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Old 10-25-2014, 02:43 PM   #13
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Lol how did this get political??? I just thought it was funny that these kids with a stock crx and one with a stock optima think they can roll with 400+ hp camaros and mustangs. I'm sorry but that isn't happening. I'd love to see a stock crx beat a 600 hp mustang.
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Old 10-25-2014, 02:46 PM   #14
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The fact is power to weight Ratio......
Agreed. But this wasn't a power to rate debate. It was 2 kids saying they have bone stock cars that can beat v8's. Nope, sorry. Could they? Yep. But not before modding it a few thousand.
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Old 10-25-2014, 03:39 PM   #15
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I agree, I don't find ours cars that fast stock. It is not fast enough to scare me when I get on it. Lots of cars out there can hang with us but I love the look and the ride.
If you wanted something fast enough to scare you...your way off with the money you spent........you get a lot of car for a good price. You want something scary...get off your wallet.
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Old 10-25-2014, 04:14 PM   #16
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There are a few ricers at Orlando Speedworld who are wicked fast, but they run supercharged rotaries. No where near streetable though. They backfire like hell at the line until they take off. It's like the run like crap unless the thing is spinning 10k.
There are not a lot of them out there are some sneaky guys out there. A guy I know was talking crap to this Honda at the last test n tune, so they raced Honda ran 9's just destroyed his corvette.
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Old 10-25-2014, 04:15 PM   #17
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Alright, there are a couple dozen deleted posts and a number of infractions handed out. Why? Because a handful of people seemingly forgot that political commentary is not allowed on Camaro5.

If it gets forced into this discussion again, the thread will be closed.
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Old 10-25-2014, 04:27 PM   #18
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If you wanted something fast enough to scare you...your way off with the money you spent........you get a lot of car for a good price. You want something scary...get off your wallet.
First of all I like the car, did not expect this car to be fast stock and I was not disappointed, but it will be some day when like you so eloquently put it "get off my wallet". Thank you for the kind advice I truly appreciate it.
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Old 10-25-2014, 07:22 PM   #19
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First of all I like the car, did not expect this car to be fast stock and I was not disappointed, but it will be some day when like you so eloquently put it "get off my wallet". Thank you for the kind advice I truly appreciate it.
And I gave it to you free....you didn't have to get off your wallet....nothing personal. I just think we are spoiled with how well made cars are.
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I find nothing hysterical about this ...
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Old 10-25-2014, 10:57 PM   #21
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OP, you should reply to that dan calahan beating 600hp mustangs in his 265hp crx, ask him for some proof, timeslips, go pro vids.
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Old 10-26-2014, 01:34 AM   #22
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OP, you should reply to that dan calahan beating 600hp mustangs in his 265hp crx, ask him for some proof, timeslips, go pro vids.
Oh I did, his retort was "everything I say is true" I just laughed it off. They all talked about how fast their cars were but neither of the 2 were willing to prove anything. They just "knew" they were faster.
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Considering the fifth-gen camaros ARE IMPORTS (wrt American drivers), I fail to see how we would have any ground to stand on.
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Oh I did, his retort was "everything I say is true" I just laughed it off. They all talked about how fast their cars were but neither of the 2 were willing to prove anything. They just "knew" they were faster.
Wait how does his crx have 265hp? If it does then technically it could hang with mustangs and Camaros based on its power to weight alone. But its pics/vids/slips or it didn't happen.

Also super bs on the Optima being able to hang with the crx or Camaro or mustang.
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Wait how does his crx have 265hp? If it does then technically it could hang with mustangs and Camaros based on its power to weight alone. But its pics/vids/slips or it didn't happen.

Also super bs on the Optima being able to hang with the crx or Camaro or mustang.
I know about the optima, I told him my V6 would beat the damn optima.

He said it was a STOCK CRX, the kids a douche bag basically. I was just laughing at them because they were claiming their stock cars can hang with anything. They had no proof other than "it's my word and I don't lie" and i was an idiot because apparently turbos don't cost $3-4000, which they do as i provided a link.
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