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Old 05-19-2013, 08:36 PM   #35
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...I think the LS7 answer about whether or not it can keep the emissions waiver moving forward through '14 into '15 is the main worry. It's a compromise car, not really missing anything. GM threw in some really cool additions...and stripped out some weight<as much as they could really without putting in CF or some other exotic materials to reduce LB's without jacking up the MSRP>. If they wanted to, it could have the exotic materials added and place it into the stratosphere like the Euro's..., and be lighter even further..but it''s a Chevy, an American made car which will be produced to be affordable like it's kin within reason.
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Old 05-19-2013, 08:49 PM   #36
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1. Titanium exhaust system w/300 cell cats. Lose about 80lbs, gain hp/tq. Add ~$8000 to the price. Worth every penny.

2. LiON battery. Save approx 40lbs. Add approx $1200 to price

3. VideoVBOX/Racekeeper data logger system with front and rear bullet cams. Driver development, fun video of outrunning ZL1's (just kidding! Better for recording GT3 pointby's). Add approx $2500-3500

Pass through for anti-sub belts in seat bottom cushion for a 6-pt harness to be used with a rear section roll bar (factory option).

I'd pay $75-80k for such a factory built track car and consider it the bargain of the century. Those who are not trackrats, your head is exploding, and that's ok, just relax and enjoy the thread rather than tell us how you would compromise the car...

Potentially that's pretty much it for a 100% complete track package. Hi Mark! Hopefully you are reading this thread
The C5 Z06 had titanium exhaust and in production volumes didn't add $8,000. Also it had Glass Mat batteries which saved a lot of mass as well but had other issues.
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Old 05-19-2013, 10:41 PM   #37
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The C5 Z06 had titanium exhaust and in production volumes didn't add $8,000. Also it had Glass Mat batteries which saved a lot of mass as well but had other issues.
As long as it is high quality Ti so that durability is not sacrificed and it does not crack, a lower price is fine by me. High-flowing, high-efficiency HJS trimetallic catalytic converters are also costly. If Chevy could leverage enough volume to get the package down to $5k it would be a great bargain.

Just to clarify- LiON technology has nothing in common with glassmat technology. Modern LiON batteries exceed lead acid in any measure except they need to be loaded for a few seconds in less than zero degree f temps to bring the voltage up to specs. Not an issue for the Z/28 intended use. The massive weight savings and potential inclusion of a "neverdie" device providing emergency start capability makes investing in one for a track car a no-brainer.
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Old 05-19-2013, 10:45 PM   #38
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The Z/28 is missing 8 other speakers
They're available! Just tick the "Poseur Option" box. They'll fix you right up!

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Old 05-19-2013, 11:35 PM   #39
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The time will come and it will be impressive. If you remember pictures of the ZL1 at the ring came long before the times were released.
I was going to say the same thing. Also this shouldn't be a pissing match between the ZL1 and the Z28.
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:44 PM   #40
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= ZL1, and you have one.
I know but still! Lmao
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I would've like to see them take out the rear seats....everyone is talking about practicality. They already have that with the ZL1. Maybe do like Ford used to do with the Cobra R. GM should offer an even more deleted content package. 3800lbs isnt light, but if they could easily remove another 200 lbs it could be even better.
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I would've like to see them take out the rear seats....everyone is talking about practicality. They already have that with the ZL1. Maybe do like Ford used to do with the Cobra R. GM should offer an even more deleted content package. 3800lbs isnt light, but if they could easily remove another 200 lbs it could be even better.
I'm down for that, that model can be called the Copo. While the Z/28 can be more practical and be on a lighter chassis/faster than a ZL1.
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Old 05-20-2013, 04:59 AM   #43
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I posted this thread because of all the comments being thrown around the that the Z/28 is stripped...So what is it missing? And why?


Its missing comming in Automatic, for us lazy types ;P
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:21 AM   #44
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removable red tow loops


Fog light openings to brake duct


Pass through slit for sub belt


Bolt in crossbar for belts


sliding sunroof option


Easy removable back seat


3 click in and out removable Bose speakers


rear wing also color of car


functional slits in rear fenders to cool, brakes or diff


Daytime running lights with defeat


pre drilled lightened pedals so plates can be added to fine tune heel and toe


Led sequential shift lights built in to top edge of dash


Delete the jankey antenna on roof use glass antenna


Non carbon rotor option


Diff tranny temp guages


I would use slicks on the track so a general purpose 4 season tire option in the same size and profile that would become the "rains"…why burn through trofeos for general touring


Easy ecu remapping for rain profile or fuel economy.


Tire Pressure/temp sensors with visual warning

200-300lbs lighter

60k base obtainable at msrp in March 2014
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Old 05-20-2013, 10:51 AM   #45
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I would've like to see them take out the rear seats....everyone is talking about practicality. They already have that with the ZL1. Maybe do like Ford used to do with the Cobra R. GM should offer an even more deleted content package. 3800lbs isnt light, but if they could easily remove another 200 lbs it could be even better.
Division heads already stated they wouldn't since a 2 seater already existed...Corvette.
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I would've like to see them take out the rear seats....everyone is talking about practicality. They already have that with the ZL1. Maybe do like Ford used to do with the Cobra R. GM should offer an even more deleted content package. 3800lbs isnt light, but if they could easily remove another 200 lbs it could be even better.
that would be a good option actually. or maybe they could have made lighter weight rear seats that are easily removable.
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Old 05-20-2013, 12:27 PM   #47
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that would be a good option actually. or maybe they could have made lighter weight rear seats that are easily removable.
Pretty sure the rear seats are special made and lighter weight...forget by how much....not sure if they are any more easily removable...
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carbon fiber drive shaft. thinner glass all around. no plastic dress up pieces
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Pretty sure the rear seats are special made and lighter weight...forget by how much....not sure if they are any more easily removable...
i probably havn't followed closely enough
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:35 PM   #50
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removable red tow loops


Fog light openings to brake duct


Pass through slit for sub belt


Bolt in crossbar for belts


sliding sunroof option


Easy removable back seat


3 click in and out removable Bose speakers


rear wing also color of car


functional slits in rear fenders to cool, brakes or diff


Daytime running lights with defeat


pre drilled lightened pedals so plates can be added to fine tune heel and toe


Led sequential shift lights built in to top edge of dash


Delete the jankey antenna on roof use glass antenna


Non carbon rotor option


Diff tranny temp guages


I would use slicks on the track so a general purpose 4 season tire option in the same size and profile that would become the "rains"…why burn through trofeos for general touring


Easy ecu remapping for rain profile or fuel economy.


Tire Pressure/temp sensors with visual warning

200-300lbs lighter

60k base obtainable at msrp in March 2014
Some really good ideas but you over qualified it into and unattainable car.

1 - removing carbon brakes will almost certainly take any adantage the Z/28 has on the ZL1 at the track. This can't happen as that is why the Z/28 exists........to be faster on the track.

2 - 200 to 300 pounds less? Can't happen for any reasonabe amount of money. Look at what the did to get 100 pounds out. and 200 pounds alone would require the car to have no seats excpet the drivers, converting all the chassis bits to aluminum and a whole bunch of premium materials. Do able yes, but not with quaification Number 3

3 - $60,000 price tag. You might see that if there were no carbon brakes, but as I said, that is what gives the Z/28 it's reason to be.

I do like you cusomization ideas to make it more "adjustable".
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:58 PM   #51
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I might be wrong but a little birdie told me there will be real bellyaching $$$ when it comes time to replace those carbon rotors. They save weight and transfer heat better and "apparently" will not fade. I believe you could swap the brembo steel rotors right in and with some ducting and a/p super 600 probably be fine for track day sessions and not endurance racing...big price difference. I'm confident a good fab shop can easily get another 80-100lbs out of the car..the second hundred will cost.

I believe the "reason to be" for this car is to spank ferraris, porsches and maybe some vipers all day long at the track with incredible VALUE. Remember this is all interim...I believe they will beat the ZR1 time at the ring and then the new ZR1 or zo7 will take it back next spring...the ebb and flow.

I wrote ZR1 not ZL1...yep.

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