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Old 05-20-2013, 03:22 AM   #1
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What should I do?

Alright so I'm pretty much at a conflict here. I don't know what to do with my car next. I was hoping some of you would help me make my next plan of action. I wanted to ask here just because I like hearing input from the v6 community

Here's the deal: I currently have about 3500 if I wait 2 more months, I will have 5000. So what should I do with the money? I don't just want to spend crazily, I want to at least spend with a plan and don't have a problem sitting on the money waiting for sales and such. I'll probably spend some of it on cosmetics but would like at least a bit more performance as well.

Here's what I have so far:

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Here's my problem:

I currently run 14.1 in the 1/4 mile with a 2.2 60'. I definitely want to be able to break 13s. But I also have the itch to attempt road racing. First and foremost, this car is a daily driver so I don't want to push the car so much that I will sacrifice that.

First decision I have to make:
1. Go with a set of drag radials that I can get a hold of for about 600
2. Go with a better set of street tires that will give better traction than the stock bf goodrich's I have right now.

Going with #2 will allow me to also have better tires in case I do road racing but don't know if that's the best option since I mostly drag race.

Second decision I have to make:
1. Get nitrous put in
2. Or not

P.S. I do know nitrous would be a drag racing only application and I'm perfectly fine with that since I do drag racing mostly.

Third decision I have to make (and probably the most controversial):
1. Try an IPF tune
2. Keep my Trifecta

Fourth decision I have to make:
Since I'm thinking about doing road racing, I know I should invest in better suspension but is upgrading to Pedders ZL1 Spec Sways also worth it on a daily driver (reason I ask is because the price is about 900 since I have to do the LCA swap too). Reason I'm only considering Pedders isn't because I'm partial to them but because they have the only ZL1 Sway option that will work with the v6 brakes.

Another reason I'm only really considering doing road racing is because I'd imagine that to road race I'd need way better brakes. For that, I'd do a brembo swap but to do that, I'd have to replace my wheels as well since they won't clear the 1LT wheels. If someone has done road racing on v6 brakes, please tell me what you upgraded to do so.

If anyone else has any other ideas PLEASE don't hesitate to throw your idea in. I'd like to toss ideas around to see what I can do. So what would you guys do?

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Old 05-20-2013, 06:57 AM   #2
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you'll be in the 13's once you put those headers on.

I say go with a set of drag radials.

only because nitrous is pretty cheap, but super fun and makes you pretty damn fast, GET NITROUS.

I am leaning towards IPF myself.


as for road racing, and getting your car up to par, I would go as you are. Test out how you like it, before spending big money on it. If it's only a once in a while thing, I wouldn't spend too much money on parts. I guess what i'm saying is, if you aren't trying to be competitive, I don't see the need to over spend.
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:44 AM   #3
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If you can do the work yourself I'd vote for:
drag radials. 600
a kit spray 1000

then in 2 months spend the rest on

V8 Dif swap axle, and hubs and brakes 2000-3000


and are you talking real road course racing, or are you talking parking lot autox?
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:03 AM   #4
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OP, I think having this money to put towards mods is stressing you out.

As a medical professional, I'd recommend decreasing that stress level by sending me the $3500.

In all seriousness, though, you have mods waiting to be installed that may satisfy your wish. Maybe make your decision about your next mods after you see how your current, uninstalled mods affect your car's performance?
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Tracy, which bolt ons does he have to get those times? I'm assuming drag radials, too?
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:20 AM   #6
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Go with a set of 20" street rims that are light weight and look crazy. If I was in your position, I'd be eyeing up the SLP rims if I had the money to burn and wanted out of the stock LS rims (if that's what you got).

Don't forget to equip the rims with some grippy tires. If your not sure whats good, you cant go wrong with the P-Zeros are cars naturally come with.

EDIT: I somehow just read through googling that you had a set of SLPs but were interested in selling them last year, what happened with those rims?
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:58 AM   #7
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you'll be in the 13's once you put those headers on.

I say go with a set of drag radials.

only because nitrous is pretty cheap, but super fun and makes you pretty damn fast, GET NITROUS.

I am leaning towards IPF myself.


as for road racing, and getting your car up to par, I would go as you are. Test out how you like it, before spending big money on it. If it's only a once in a while thing, I wouldn't spend too much money on parts. I guess what i'm saying is, if you aren't trying to be competitive, I don't see the need to over spend.
Yea, I know I'll be in 13s once I mount the headers. But in drag racing, I won't be satisfied with that
I'll just want more and more.

As you already know, I'm highly considering nitrous

I want to at least try the IPF tune and see how it compares with Trifecta. Trifecta has really left me unsatisfied. Just want to see what else is out there.

I do like the don't overspend idea. I'm not trying to be overly competitive at all. Just want my car to at least be able to make it through the race

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If you can do the work yourself I'd vote for:
drag radials. 600
a kit spray 1000

then in 2 months spend the rest on

V8 Dif swap axle, and hubs and brakes 2000-3000


and are you talking real road course racing, or are you talking parking lot autox?
I don't think I'll be doing a v8 diff swap. Don't need it.

I'm talking real road course racing. I've never actually tried autox but the thought of racing around cones in a parking lot doesn't appeal to me right now. I'd like to take the car to an actual track.

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OP, I think having this money to put towards mods is stressing you out.

As a medical professional, I'd recommend decreasing that stress level by sending me the $3500.

In all seriousness, though, you have mods waiting to be installed that may satisfy your wish. Maybe make your decision about your next mods after you see how your current, uninstalled mods affect your car's performance?
LMAO! I knew I'd get at least one response like this
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We have a all bolt on customer, trifecta tune that runs low 13's. Just did 3.55 gears in his A6 open diff and he's going to see how much that picks him up in the 1/4 mile.

Not sure his username, but his Name is Aaron, and he is in Ft Meyers south of us.

Hopefully he will see this and chime in.

Are you auto or manual trans?
I'm an auto trans

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Go with a set of 20" street rims that are light weight and look crazy. If I was in your position, I'd be eyeing up the SLP rims if I had the money to burn and wanted out of the stock LS rims (if that's what you got).

Don't forget to equip the rims with some grippy tires. If your not sure whats good, you cant go wrong with the P-Zeros are cars naturally come with.

EDIT: I somehow just read through googling that you had a set of SLPs but were interested in selling them last year, what happened with those rims?
I already replaced my stock LS rims. I have the stock LT rims now. Bought them because they are a crazy amount lighter than the LS wheels.

I'd really like a set of 20's for "show" but the need for more performance makes it hard for me to spend all my money on wheels that won't really net me any gains performance wise. If I get wheels, I'd probably only be either the new ZL1 replicas or some forgestar f14s.

As for the SLPs, I sold them.
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14.1, good for you. im to scared to take my car to the track lol *not to change the topic of your post*..
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14.1, good for you. im to scared to take my car to the track lol *not to change the topic of your post*..
Started at a 15.2 stock so I feel like the mods have really made a difference. Some more than others but it's still an improvement. Why are you scared?

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I just dont want to be disappointed.. Unfortunately, i never got a baseline dyno done on my car. If i could go back i wish i did before the exhaust, tune, headers, and all the other things listed in the signature. I hope im making 265-275 wheel at this point. I definitely feel faster.. but i KNOW this rims and tires, although look good and really make the car stand out, would KILL my track times.
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I must be doing something wrong, I have the mods in my sig and have a best 1/4 time of 14.1 with my A6
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I must be doing something wrong, I have the mods in my sig and have a best 1/4 time of 14.1 with my A6
Could be a bad track where you race. DA might be horrible. Even in Florida where sea level is just about 0, the DA can get to about 2500 which kills our times. Hence my 13.8 in the sig. Granted I'm not bolted on like you, but I feel your pain.

OP, I think I read that you know you wont be satisfied with cracking 13's, but get those LT's and additional suspension on first. Watch your trap speed to see if it increases, (even if your ET doesnt right away). If you have the patience, address everything a step at a time, this way you can point out the weaknesses in your car and attack them individually. If you do everything all at once, it may be harder for you to see where to improve. For example, I dont know what "trailing arms" for you guys are... ( I guess equivalent to our lower control arms??) but that 2.2 60' can be addressed without drag radials if such a part exists on the IRS.

I run consistant 2.0x with street tires and no major power adders (LT's for example) Once my trap speed increases and if my 60' goes up as a result, I would then look at drag radials.

Just my $0.02.

To you other guys worried about being disappointed... go have fun. Don't compare yourself to anyone else and enjoy that $30,000 machine. Admit it, you bought it because it was somewhat fast. Damn sure wasnt the fuel economy. Have fun
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What track to you run?
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Could be a bad track where you race. DA might be horrible. Even in Florida where sea level is just about 0, the DA can get to about 2500 which kills our times. Hence my 13.8 in the sig. Granted I'm not bolted on like you, but I feel your pain.

OP, I think I read that you know you wont be satisfied with cracking 13's, but get those LT's and additional suspension on first. Watch your trap speed to see if it increases, (even if your ET doesnt right away). If you have the patience, address everything a step at a time, this way you can point out the weaknesses in your car and attack them individually. If you do everything all at once, it may be harder for you to see where to improve. For example, I dont know what "trailing arms" for you guys are... ( I guess equivalent to our lower control arms??) but that 2.2 60' can be addressed without drag radials if such a part exists on the IRS.

I run consistant 2.0x with street tires and no major power adders (LT's for example) Once my trap speed increases and if my 60' goes up as a result, I would then look at drag radials.

Just my $0.02.

To you other guys worried about being disappointed... go have fun. Don't compare yourself to anyone else and enjoy that $30,000 machine. Admit it, you bought it because it was somewhat fast. Damn sure wasnt the fuel economy. Have fun
^^^This^^^

Identify the weak points and address those.
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Could be a bad track where you race. DA might be horrible. Even in Florida where sea level is just about 0, the DA can get to about 2500 which kills our times. Hence my 13.8 in the sig. Granted I'm not bolted on like you, but I feel your pain.

OP, I think I read that you know you wont be satisfied with cracking 13's, but get those LT's and additional suspension on first. Watch your trap speed to see if it increases, (even if your ET doesnt right away). If you have the patience, address everything a step at a time, this way you can point out the weaknesses in your car and attack them individually. If you do everything all at once, it may be harder for you to see where to improve. For example, I dont know what "trailing arms" for you guys are... ( I guess equivalent to our lower control arms??) but that 2.2 60' can be addressed without drag radials if such a part exists on the IRS.

I run consistant 2.0x with street tires and no major power adders (LT's for example) Once my trap speed increases and if my 60' goes up as a result, I would then look at drag radials.

Just my $0.02.

To you other guys worried about being disappointed... go have fun. Don't compare yourself to anyone else and enjoy that $30,000 machine. Admit it, you bought it because it was somewhat fast. Damn sure wasnt the fuel economy. Have fun
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^^^This^^^

Identify the weak points and address those.
What weak points could I address? I definitely agree that the 2.2 60' has to be fixed but I figured I could fix it with drag radials? I also got the trailing arms for that. Also looking to do rear cradle bushing inserts. So that should be pretty good suspension wise but I thought drag radials would give me the biggest improvement in the traction department.

What else can I address?
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I have to agree with jlawrence as well.

It totally makes sense to try just throwing on the suspension mods and see if that alone gets you a better 60 foot time. If it does, you'll be in the 13s with that alone.

Or just do the headers and give it a shot and see what that does.

Otherwise, if going to the strip is just a once in a while thing due to whatever reason, I could see why you'd want to throw multiple mods at it and see what you can get out of it since you may not have many chances to do it.

In that case I don't think you should be afraid to get drag radials. In fact, if it were me, I'd not hesitate all to follow RtCat600man's lead and go with the 18" corvette replica rims for the rear and throw some tires on that (I forget what he is using) and use them strictly for the strip.

But if you really want a track (turns!) setup, well then buying four rims/tires for the track, and two rims/tires for the strip will get expensive fast. You may not want to do that. In this case, if you really want your car setup for the track, skip the rear drag setup and get yourself some lightweight rims and good track tires. Do the suspension mods to help you get off the line quicker at the strip and go at it!

As for the tune...my vote goes to IPF, simply b/c I feel they know the Bosch ECM better. Is it worth it? I can't say 100% for sure yet. Trifecta can be much cheaper, but that doesn't mean its worth it either if it doesn't do anything for you performance wise.
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you may hate this...but you could always save some and de-mod and buy a used SS or something.

or why not go with the supercharged/turbo route?

you can also think about the pulley mod, upgrade the converter. I think changing the tune would show no change...

idk thats all haha
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I have to agree with jlawrence as well.

It totally makes sense to try just throwing on the suspension mods and see if that alone gets you a better 60 foot time. If it does, you'll be in the 13s with that alone.

Yea, I agree I'm already looking into how to do the trailing arm install myself but if not, I'll probably get the bushing inserts and have a shop do everything at once. Suspension is something I wouldn't mind doing all at once just because suspension is something I know nothing about and would hate to mess up.

Or just do the headers and give it a shot and see what that does.

The only thing that is stopping me from installing the headers is whether I should go with high flow cats or straight pipes. I just don't want drone lol.

Otherwise, if going to the strip is just a once in a while thing due to whatever reason, I could see why you'd want to throw multiple mods at it and see what you can get out of it since you may not have many chances to do it.

In that case I don't think you should be afraid to get drag radials. In fact, if it were me, I'd not hesitate all to follow RtCat600man's lead and go with the 18" corvette replica rims for the rear and throw some tires on that (I forget what he is using) and use them strictly for the strip.

I'm not afraid to get drag radials I just really want to get the most bang for the buck. Here's my thinking, don't know if it's wrong or not so if someone thinks otherwise please state why. I figure if I can get a street tire to get me to a sub 2.0 60', wouldn't that be the best just because I would also get the benefits of the better tire while driving all the time. But then there's the fact that I'd probably waste them a lot faster. Lol so many decisions.

But if you really want a track (turns!) setup, well then buying four rims/tires for the track, and two rims/tires for the strip will get expensive fast. You may not want to do that. In this case, if you really want your car setup for the track, skip the rear drag setup and get yourself some lightweight rims and good track tires. Do the suspension mods to help you get off the line quicker at the strip and go at it!

As for the tune...my vote goes to IPF, simply b/c I feel they know the Bosch ECM better. Is it worth it? I can't say 100% for sure yet. Trifecta can be much cheaper, but that doesn't mean its worth it either if it doesn't do anything for you performance wise.

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you may hate this...but you could always save some and de-mod and buy a used SS or something.

No, don't hate it at all. I was about to go and trade my car in for a 5.0 a few weeks ago. But I don't "need" the 5.0 and I'm helping out a family member with some financial matters so I'd rather just keep the car and try to get the most out of it.

or why not go with the supercharged/turbo route?

I actually had already bought and had a supercharger just waiting for install.

you can also think about the pulley mod, upgrade the converter. I think changing the tune would show no change...

idk thats all haha

I'd like to at least see if there will be no gains with the IPF tune so I'm definitely debating that
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Quick question, would a better rear sway help at the track?
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Again, I'm pretty clueless when it comes to you guys' IRS, but if you're talking front sway bars like our sway bars I'm going to say no. Not only have better sways never shown to be a benefit on our 10-sec F/I cars nor our mid 12 sec N/A cars, I've actually heard if some guys removing them all together at the track.
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waitttt so you already have the supercharger and you are just waiting to install it? why did you even make this thread then hahahahaa
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Again, I'm pretty clueless when it comes to you guys' IRS, but if you're talking front sway bars like our sway bars I'm going to say no. Not only have better sways never shown to be a benefit on our 10-sec F/I cars nor our mid 12 sec N/A cars, I've actually heard if some guys removing them all together at the track.
Yea, I've heard people remove the front sways but that a rear sway can actually help.

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waitttt so you already have the supercharger and you are just waiting to install it? why did you even make this thread then hahahahaa
No, I said I HAD it. I sold it
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what!?!? why?

That would have gotten you low 13s probably!
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So if I'm gathering everyone's responses correctly, a good plan of action would be.

1. Install suspension
2. Install headers
3. Get Drag Radials
4. Address anything else that is needed.
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what!?!? why?

That would have gotten you low 13s probably!
Yea maybe
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