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Old 05-22-2013, 11:06 PM   #1
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Shorties or long tubes?

Can someone explain the differences to me? (Other than price and HP gains) what is the sound difference?
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Old 05-22-2013, 11:15 PM   #2
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Shorties are closer to stock sounding.

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Old 05-23-2013, 02:47 AM   #3
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The length and bend of the tubes.
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Old 05-23-2013, 02:48 AM   #4
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Long tubes! More HP!! And better sound!! But alittle more expensive
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Old 05-23-2013, 05:39 AM   #5
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Shorties are pointless. Long tube Headers are not.
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Old 05-23-2013, 05:52 AM   #6
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Go with long tubes and save money. If you get shorties and don't like the sound as much you will be paying almost twice the labor. You won't regret the long tubes. You're in Georgia so there is no snow out there which means you can even go with mild steel headers which cost less than stainless steel.
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:02 AM   #7
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I will laugh at you if you bought shorties
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:36 AM   #8
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:41 AM   #9
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Like everyone is saying....don't waste your time (money) on the shorties....unless you don't want to every change your complete exhaust down the road and don't plan to ever modify the motor any, but even then, you won't see much difference in power with the shorties over the stock manifolds!
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:45 AM   #10
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The gains and sound difference with shorties is not worth the money. For slightly more you can get long tubes which will be a game changer in both categories.
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:47 AM   #11
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Yes I agree shorties are a waist of time and money and after all the research that I have done Dynatech make the most power for a good price and yes they sound awesome. But you will need a tune. Check out Torq Motorsports they can get you the tune you need at a fraction of the cost of most shops.
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:58 AM   #12
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Go with the Long Tubes or nothing.

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Old 05-23-2013, 09:11 AM   #13
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Short tubes have exactly that, a shorter tube leading off the header. Some have dyno tested to actually have NO gains haha. Definitely not worth the money.

Long tubes are a huge HP boost for the money and sound great
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:32 AM   #14
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Go with long tubes and save money. If you get shorties and don't like the sound as much you will be paying almost twice the labor. You won't regret the long tubes. You're in Georgia so there is no snow out there which means you can even go with mild steel headers which cost less than stainless steel.
I'd never go with just steel...I don't wanna take the risk of them rusting out.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:16 AM   #15
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I have TSP 304 stainless LT headers that I got ceramic coated matte black. For everyone who says "you will need a tune," this is just outright untrue. You will BENEFIT from a tune, but you don't need to blow your warranty with a tune. If you use the spark plug defouler trick on the rear sensors, you won't throw codes. You're fine not getting a tune.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:30 AM   #16
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I would definitely go with a set of good proven long tubes. We took BBK's off this cammed 2010 Camaro and went with KOOKS 1 7/8's headers. No other changes.




We have another Camaro in the shop that is down some power with a set of Chinese headers. I told him that if he didn't pcik up 15 switching to a known good brand than we would eat the labor.
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Long tubes are without a doubt the way to go. Shorties should only be an option if you live in California.

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Here is 3 options for you OP!


#1-Good--- Long Tube Headers 1 7/8

#2-Better--- Kooks Long Tube Headers 1 7/8

#3-Best--- Coated Kooks Long Tube Headers 1 7/8
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Old 05-23-2013, 03:26 PM   #21
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The coating or not debate has been talked about numerous times. Bottom line, if you're doing it for any other reason than looks or quicker cool down, you're wasting your money. They don't keep under hood temps much if any cooler and you won't gain HP or throttle response, over uncoated LT's.
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:20 AM   #22
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Not to get in this rumble but shorties make some nice torque and you dont have to modify anything. But unless you buy them real cheap they are not worth the 500 or 600 they go for
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Shorties only if you have to (California).

I made the mistake of putting shorties on my LT1 z28 and it consistantly dynoed 20 rwhp lower than all my buddies LT1s with long tubes (on the same dyno).
I was just learning the mod game back then.
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Old 05-24-2013, 02:59 PM   #24
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Wasting your money with shorties. I've heard people actually lost HP by putting on shorties but they will change your sound. American Racing claims you'll pick up around 10HP with theirs but for the price they want it's a ripoff. I trust their numbers though because they are a reputable company. If you are looking to increase sound and add some good HP I'd go with high flow cats first. I hear people that dynoed picked up about 20-25HP with high flows. I put a set of Solo's on mine and couldn't be happier. I haven't dynoed my car but I can feel the difference. I'm probably going to get rid of the high flows and go with long tubes eventually but they require a tune to get the full benefit.
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This will give you real world testing on the JBA 1 3/4" shorty headers and mid-pipes.

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