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Old 06-29-2009, 02:06 AM   #69
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Exactly, which makes me just want to either win one now, or wait to purchase a Z/28 in '12. I'm more or less putting my purchasing plans on hold. It's only 2 years post grad, and with a full time job, it'll be much easier for me to go about purchasing it then rather than now.

And heck, GM isn't having that many issues in court and it's more or less been swept under the rug of talking-head land. With that said, GM is bound to come back and boost the Camaro flight even more with the Z/28.

Here's to 2012 boys n' gals! VIVE LA Z/28!
so what kind of job are you going to get to afford a z28??
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Old 06-29-2009, 02:12 AM   #70
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Listening to a bankrupt company with no real plan for making money sounds foolish in my opinion. Don't hold your breath on these money losing high performance cars.
GM makes pretty good margin on their performance cars. Not sure where you get the idea they lose money on these cars. Currently the only loss leaders in GM are the lowest end economy cars. As a company they are losing money but that is because of the history of addiction to trucks and SUV's in addition to the total collapse of the industry. GM is making a nice profit on the ZR1 and is selling them as quickly as they are made.

For me the issue with the Z28 is that it will have to command nearly 50k if it is supercharged as expected. Heck there are guys that are hitting 47k for an SS when they add the optional wheels, sunroof, aero package and sunroof with an automatic. For that kind of money I would buy a Vette. I think a Z28 will sell regardless but it won't the the same volume as in the past if the price is nearing 50k.
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Old 06-29-2009, 02:14 AM   #71
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Still, to me, I would rather have the "SS" now and add the cosmetic features of the "Z/28" when it becomes available. 400hp is plenty enough for me as I would bet if the Z/28 hits the 500+hp range, my insurance would simply be too expensive to keep it on the road! :(
I believe that SLP will soon be offering a Hood Scoop similar to ( if not the same as BumbleBee's ) in the near future so that will be just fine for me.
I'm willing to bet also, that there will be a lot of Z/28 upgrade kits available on the market designed specifically for the "SS" due to the fact that most will not want to shell out tens of thousands more to switch later.
Cool text yo. By the time I finished with all that code, my post would end up on page 397
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Old 06-29-2009, 02:21 AM   #72
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Old 06-29-2009, 02:26 AM   #73
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i hope if they do make the z/28 that it is tailored made to outperform the gt500
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Old 06-29-2009, 03:32 AM   #74
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IF they put the Z28 back into production i'm sure it'll be somewhere between the price of a base corvette and a Z06
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Old 06-29-2009, 03:56 AM   #75
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Just like I was saying before......

They had to bail on the Z28 package, but didnt want to hurt sales..........

So rather than let the public decide "oh Im just gonna wait another year and get the Z28" they had to completey call it dead so that people will buy an SS and then upgrade to the Z28 later.

I also think that they wanted Transformers 2 to be a big help on it..... but since that flopped, waiting till Transformers 3 will certainly be a better decision from the business side of the house.

Plus that gives them like 3 years to get some super efficient econo-boxes on the roads to offset the fleet average fuel mileage. Making it OK to have the Z28... and 3 years to redesign the motor to make 550-600HP at 24MPG
I hope when you said "it flopped" you're not talking about the movie itself considerig it made the 2nd highest opening ever, potentially the first if studio estimates are off at all. I hardly call that a flop lol.
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Old 06-29-2009, 05:03 AM   #76
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2011...for convertible...darn...

oh well more time to perfect it i guess

maybe i'll get a z28 convertible??

i wonder what the different grille treatment will look like
only one convertable z28 was ever built (to my knowledge) and it was for one of GMs top dogs wife.
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Old 06-29-2009, 06:10 AM   #77
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I want a Z28 with T-Tops. GM this is a must!!!!
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Old 06-29-2009, 09:58 AM   #78
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You know, I still don't understand why we think GM should do this or even why GM should do this. Aftermarket tuners can throw some go-fast mods, superchargers, and cosmetic parts on just as easily as they can, and those tuners don't have to worry about CAFE requirements. GM should instead be focusing on building trim levels that emphasis suspension, brake, and most of all weight reduction upgrades.
i agree that aftermarket tuners can slap go fast goodies on just like GM...but i don't understand the reasoning behind gm needing to offer different suspension, brakes, or weight reduction trims. if the aftermarket tuners can slap the go fast goodies on, wouldn't it makes sense for them to do the brakes and such as well? i alway's considered them in the same category personally

also, the reason people think this car should be built is so that mustang owners will stop comparing a $47k gt500 to a $33k camaro...can't wait for the shenanigans and goings on in the GT500 vs. Z/28 threads.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:17 AM   #79
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I don't know if I can wait two years for this.....
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:22 AM   #80
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Camaro Z28 vs. Shelby GT500 vs. Challenger T/A? (Chally T/A would kick ass, side exhaust please!)
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:26 AM   #81
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The Z28 seems like a great idea but why not just buy a SS now. Simply get some forged pistons and a custom turbo setup and just dominate C6 Z06's, Zr1's and Z28's later
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:30 AM   #82
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Agreed. It will be cool seeing a Z28 to duke it out with a GT500 and a maybe a Challenger R/T special edition. This is healthy competition that gives enthusiasts the performance they crave and the automakers bragging rights. (along with sales)
It wouldnt be a Challenger R/T special Edition IT would BE AN SRT, supposedly Dodge is working on a Challenger SRT-10 Thats suppossed to spank both of them
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:37 AM   #83
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I hope when you said "it flopped" you're not talking about the movie itself considerig it made the 2nd highest opening ever, potentially the first if studio estimates are off at all. I hardly call that a flop lol.
Well if you would finish reading the damn page..... and I dont mean pages 2 and 3, i mean THE REST of page 1..... you would see where I already came back to elaborate and said the following:

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I wasnt talking about the movie as a flop.... I was talking about Transformers 2 helping the release of a Z28.... but there was no release, the Z28 idea flopped... that is what I meant..

Now if GM is smart... then when they do release the Z28 with Transfromers 3 they will off an EXACT clone of the Bumblebee. That will help push some of those cars better than the possible 50k price tag.
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:28 AM   #84
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If they do got to worry about the CAFE requirements, then most in likely it will be a blown or turbocharged version of the LS3. So far the LSA from the CTS-V is the primary choice as of right now
by that time a DI-V8 should be hitting the streets and smaller displacement will net you better power and fuel economy. so it shouldn't need FI. but it'd still be cool.

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You know, I still don't understand why we think GM should do this or even why GM should do this. Aftermarket tuners can throw some go-fast mods, superchargers, and cosmetic parts on just as easily as they can, and those tuners don't have to worry about CAFE requirements. GM should instead be focusing on building trim levels that emphasis suspension, brake, and most of all weight reduction upgrades.
oh stop being a negative nancy. finally some of us are getting positive info about a trim level that we want and you are still being negative. oh well it's what we do.

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Aw, give me strength! I sure hope this is just preliminary babbling rather than actual planning... A few cheesy Tennessee-gofasters, an unspecified engine, and... what? What of any possible circumstance are they going to add? No track-ready tuned suspension? No flared rear fenders to accomodate some 12-inch-wide street slicks? No dramatic ECU reprogramming, no beefier gearing, no weight-loss program? Still no ****ing navigation or ICE made with newer tech than the fifteen-year-vintage crap, saddled as it is with the wretched OnStar? No, of course not. They're going to sell you six grand worth of embroidered floormats, ten-cent badging and they'll probably stuff another fifty lead-insulated airbags and various nanny mechanisms up your ass as soon as you sit down in the car, an act for which your kindly dealer will probably charge you two grand just for the opportunity.

I'm not surprised GM's failing, and if they keep shit like this up I hope they bite it and hard. They might as well abandon the Z/28 program and just offer to paint a big number on the side of your car, put a matching beer helmet in the trunk and call it a good century.
don't jump to conclusions y don't you. typical.
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Old 06-29-2009, 12:31 PM   #85
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Interesting information. It definately gives me hope. I'm struggling with the idea of a supercharged SS making more power than an LSA-Z28, but to have a complete car engineered to harness and use that power is another thing altogether. It'd be nice to see some more follow-up information on these FI'd SSs and see how well they use that power. It seems to me that the SS is already a great foundation for adding power, IMO. I don't know that I could afford a Z28, but I'll definately try and if I can't, I'll have a go at making one out of an SS.
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