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Old 09-28-2009, 09:52 PM   #151
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wow that 08challangerdad has to be one of the biggest idiots on a car forum today. Apparently stats, videos, and mag write ups dont mean anything because he had a cute little story about him racing a guy less than half his age at the track and winning.

I would be scared having him on my board, god only knows what kind of wrong info and bad advice he has been feeding new challanger folks over there.
So he said american muscle would never have high wings?
I have 2 words for that; Superbird & Daytona
As a matter of fact I believe they are both Dodge products!

He is a delusional egomaniac!
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:46 PM   #152
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My quess is the Z28 is going to come in at somewhere around $50,000 to $60,000.That is alot of money for a Z28. What is everyone else's thoughts? Thanks, Jeff
My thoughts are that it will be lower than that. Think of a ceiling around $50 grand...They're goal is to be competitive, and that price-range isn't it.

That said...Which did you like better overall, the Z06, or the CTS-V? Because I can all but promise the Z28 will behave more like a CTS-V than a Z06.
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Old 09-29-2009, 01:08 AM   #153
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My thoughts are that it will be lower than that. Think of a ceiling around $50 grand...They're goal is to be competitive, and that price-range isn't it.

That said...Which did you like better overall, the Z06, or the CTS-V? Because I can all but promise the Z28 will behave more like a CTS-V than a Z06.


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Old 09-29-2009, 03:33 AM   #154
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I'd go for the Z28. From all indications it's going to be a barn burner and will run with the best of the Corvettes.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:43 AM   #155
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I'd go for the Z28. From all indications it's going to be a barn burner and will run with the best of the Corvettes.
I'm sure the Z06 will outdo it.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:48 AM   #156
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Look at this. 3 out of the 8 replys are telling me to leave... wow that's just embarrassing. If I was an admin I'd be banning people left and right.
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:19 PM   #157
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As reported on Homepage

Scott, Cheryl, John, Al, design guy?(forget his name?) and John Cox
These are the people you should thank for bringing the Camaro back to life!
They were in Carlisle PA showing off the Camaro (which was easy to do)
They answered all questions from the crowd....which brings me to the Z28.

I don't want this thread to be a boring talk again and again about the Z28 speculation.
  • There is no doubt that there will be a Z28
  • It will have the Z28 hood (like bumblebee 2)
  • It will have a different grill which will include the chevy bowtie somewhere (top executive decision making here)
  • It will probably have a different rear spoiler
  • It will have Z28 emblems and/or graphics
  • It will have a high output engine LS ? something (as long as it meets government standards for fuel economy)

They want you to enjoy the NEW Camaro, the way it is offered now, for the next couple years
Then, the convertible will be out in the spring of 2011
Then, the Z28 will probably come out a year later

That's it! Enjoy the pictures! Just thought I'd share them with you guys


OH ya.....I threw in a pic of Sam and Bryan (2 guys garage) doing a seminar under the big tent
haha that was great at the seminar when the next tent over flew away or were you at a different time?
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Old 11-05-2009, 08:29 PM   #158
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Like I said before, there is a dealership that is 4 miles away from my house that has 3 2SS's just sitting on their lot. And this is a very small dealership it's not a high volume dealership in a populated area., Come early summer, when 2011's are coming out, the camaro will be offered for 0%. I guarantee it
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apparently you didn't understand my post correctly. If there are 4 (now 6) camaros sitting at a low volume dealership, just imagine how many are sitting at the high volume dealerships
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Old 11-24-2009, 11:12 PM   #159
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z28 will blow gt500 away

if a gt500 is only around .3 of a second faster than the ss, and in a lot of cases where there are videos on youtube the gt500 is only .1 seconds faster than the ss imagine what the z28 will do to the gt500
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Old 12-02-2009, 02:45 PM   #160
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Old 12-02-2009, 02:55 PM   #161
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if a gt500 is only around .3 of a second faster than the ss, and in a lot of cases where there are videos on youtube the gt500 is only .1 seconds faster than the ss imagine what the z28 will do to the gt500
Keep on believing that. The best documented time in a 100% stock 2010 SS is 12.62 @ 110.30. The best documented time in a 2010 GT500 is 11.95 @ 120.29. That a huge difference when you are racing.

Yes, I know that the average 2010 GT500 might not be able to coax a high-11 second pass out of their car on street tires, but the average SS owner is not going to run mid-12's, either. I have yet to see any 2010 SS break out of the 13's in stock trim at my local 1/4 mile strip.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:23 PM   #162
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Keep on believing that. The best documented time in a 100% stock 2010 SS is 12.62 @ 110.30. The best documented time in a 2010 GT500 is 11.95 @ 120.29. That a huge difference when you are racing.

Yes, I know that the average 2010 GT500 might not be able to coax a high-11 second pass out of their car on street tires, but the average SS owner is not going to run mid-12's, either. I have yet to see any 2010 SS break out of the 13's in stock trim at my local 1/4 mile strip.
I fully expect to see a drop of substance in the ETs on the stock SS by the end of the 2010 summer season. Launching an IRS at the strip well is very different than launching a solid rear end. There is a learning curve that only time will address. The other factor is the LS series of engines doesn't break in until there are over 5k on the clock. There is more RWHP coming just from this. Can these two factors find .7 seconds. We will both know by September 2010.
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:11 PM   #163
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I fully expect to see a drop of substance in the ETs on the stock SS by the end of the 2010 summer season. Launching an IRS at the strip well is very different than launching a solid rear end. There is a learning curve that only time will address. The other factor is the LS series of engines doesn't break in until there are over 5k on the clock. There is more RWHP coming just from this. Can these two factors find .7 seconds. We will both know by September 2010.
It is generally agreed it takes about 20-30hp to make up .1 in the quarter, or dropping 60ft times by .1 to gain .2 by the end of the quarter.

Let's say a "broken-in" motor makes 50hp more than a low mileage one (and that's a BIG stretch), that would only net you about .1-.2 in the quarter. That means, at best, you would need to drop .2-.3 second off your 60ft times on the street tires to equal the .7 number you threw out there. Coming from someone who raced a 2006 GTO with IRS, dropping that much time from your 60ft on a street tire, even in the best of conditions is going to be a huge challenge.

But, let's say you are right and it does happen. Do you think the same factors are not going to apply to the stock GT500? Those engines tend to make more power once broken-in, too. People will have also had more seat time behind the 2010 GT500 and likely learned how to launch them. Chances are, if those times have not been eclipsed in the cool fall weather of the last few months, it's probably not going to happen through the summer of next year.

In the end, the SS is not as close in performance to the GT500 as many want to believe. If it was, why would there be such a clamor for a higher-performance Z28? Just to have factory-performance bragging rights?
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:15 PM   #164
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It is generally agreed it takes about 20-30hp to make up .1 in the quarter, or dropping 60ft times by .1 to gain .2 by the end of the quarter.

Let's say a "broken-in" motor makes 50hp more than a low mileage one (and that's a BIG stretch), that would only net you about .1-.2 in the quarter. That means, at best, you would need to drop .2-.3 second off your 60ft times on the street tires to equal the .7 number you threw out there. Coming from someone who raced a 2006 GTO with IRS, dropping that much time from your 60ft on a street tire, even in the best of conditions is going to be a huge challenge.

But, let's say you are right and it does happen. Do you think the same factors are not going to apply to the stock GT500? Those engines tend to make more power once broken-in, too. People will have also had more seat time behind the 2010 GT500 and likely learned how to launch them.

In the end, the SS is not as close in performance to the GT500 as many want to believe.
My dealers with dynos do not seem to see the same 20 RWHP gains in Fords they frequently see in the LS. but that would be the small potatoes gain. Launching the IRS consistently and well has the ability to pull tenths out of the times. As I said, time will tell and then the Z28 will hit the track.
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:20 PM   #165
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If it was, why would there be such a clamor for a higher-performance Z28? Just to have factory-performance bragging rights?
some just want a Z28. lol. and then the added bonus of the bragging rights will just come along with it.
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:25 PM   #166
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My dealers with dynos do not seem to see the same 20 RWHP gains in Fords they frequently see in the LS. but that would be the small potatoes gain.
So what are the special characteristics of the LS motors versus the modular family of engines that produces that result? Super-secret assembly techniques or component material known only to GM engineers? Highly doubtful. But like you said, it's not worth arguing about what little gain there might be.

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I think Launching the IRS consistently and well has the ability to pull tenths out of the times. As I said, time will tell and then the Z28 will hit the track.
No doubt, but in most cases, it's not going to make up the difference between the SS and and the GT500 if both drivers have equal seat time behind the wheel of their respective cars.

If the Z28 does get made and it does beat a stock GT500, great. Like I said, it's just bragging rights and means nothing once you begin modifiying the cars.
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So what are the special characteristics of the LS motors versus the modular family of engines that produces that result? Super-secret assembly techniques or component material known only to GM engineers? Highly doubtful. But like you said, it's not worth arguing about what little gain there might be.

No doubt, but in most cases, it's not going to make up the difference between the SS and and the GT500 if both drivers have equal seat time behind the wheel of their respective cars.

If the Z28 does get made and it does beat a stock GT500, great. Like I said, it's just bragging rights and means nothing once you begin modifiying the cars.
It my be my ignorance of the finer points in Mustang driving, but launching a 2002 Mustang is little different than launching a 2010. The same is not true of a 2002 Camaro and a 2010. We will see in August where they stand up.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:33 AM   #168
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Z28 THEY SHOULD HAVE BUILT IT

HERE IS MY RECREATION OF WHAT GM SHOULD HAVE DONE SO ALL COULD AFORD IT THIS PIC WAS A THE 2010 GM NATIONAL IN PA LOOK AT THE GUYS LOOKING
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