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Old 05-30-2013, 06:08 PM   #18
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I'm also not sure if you noticed but I decided to put a slight curved bend in the braket to help get the new clutch reservoir further away from the shock tower to make sure the hose doesn't rub. Not sure if you wanted to take this feedback and think about whether or not you wanted to incorporate it into the standard bracket or not.

Also since I found that trimming the excess clutch hose is easier to do once the clutch reservoir is mounted and the new clutch hose is installed on the master cylinder, it might be better to not preassemble the new hose to the new clutch reservoir. Pulling the hose off was kind of difficult and I don't know if the reservoir was like this or not before I pulled the hose off but there is a faint white line that now goes all the way around the base of the nipple connection. Knowing how plastics work I know that it's a sign of stress on the base but I tested the nipple and it didn't seem weak or anything so I'm hoping it will be ok. I found it easier to put the free end of the hose along side the nipple connection on the reservoir and mark it for the amount of excess hose that I wanted to trim off with scissors.

Just a few thoughts I had.

Thanks for the kit though. Looks great in the car too!
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Old 05-30-2013, 06:57 PM   #19
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Hey Nick S, are the instructions from JDP complete and accurate?

When removing the M6 reservoir, is there a risk of getting air into the brakelines or into the ABS system?

I'm guessing you turkey baster out the stuff from the old reservoir before removal and then just plunk on the new one with the separated clutch reservoir?

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Old 05-30-2013, 07:54 PM   #20
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Well I think they (JDP Motorsports) are still finishing up the instructions for the Stage II kit (where you would need to actually remove the reservoir.

I used a syringe to get as much fluid out of the brake reservoir as possible but you will not get it all out. There are lots of baffles inside the reservoir (likely to prevent the master cylinder from getting air in it during cornering, acceleration, braking etc...). So just get as much as you can you that's all you'll get.

Unfortunately that means when you pull the old reservoir off it will be a bit messy. Just put as many towels in the engine bay and over your fenders as possible. Put a small contain under the brake master cylinder to try and catch some of the fluid and I'll say it again put as many towels under it as possible. Anywhere you can see something other than the brake master cylinder...cover it with a towel.

This risk of getting air in your system really not an issue as long as you don't pump the brakes or pump the clutch pedal when you have the reservoir off and the clutch hose off the master cylinder.

There will still be fluid in the top openings of the master brake cylinder so once you put the new reservoir on and fill it up the air will just bubble to the top.

The new clutch reservoir I had to work a little harder at making sure all the air came out. After filling the new reservoir up I had to wiggle the new clutch hose up and down to help get the air bubbles to work their way up to the top (high spots) and then kind of push the middle of the hose in towards the brake master cylinder reservoir. As I did this I would see air bubbles pushing out of the clutch reservoir. I repeated this and added some light tapping on the clutch hose to this process until I could not get any more air bubble out of the hose.

I also had to stop and actually put some more fluid in the new clutch reservoir because it had finally drained down into the new hose. You also might want to give a 10 minute rest in between and the repeat the hose wiggling process. Give the air bubbles some time to work themselves up to the high spots.

Then after I was sure I could not get any more air out of the hose, I went inside the car (without starting it) and pumped the clutch pedal about 40 times. Then when I got out and looked at the level in the reservoir it was still about the same (which is good because then I knew there wasn't any more air that had come out) but it was definitely a darker golden color from mixing with the fluid that was still trapped in the master cylinder.

I also tested the brakes without the car running and I had a very firm pedal so I knew I didn't get any air in the lines there either.
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:07 AM   #21
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:52 PM   #22
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How does the reservoir get removed from the master cylinder? Remove bolt in front and lift off? Any o-rings?
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Old 06-02-2013, 05:52 PM   #23
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One bolt in front and one in the rear (The rear bolt is kind of a pain because there's not a lot of room and you can't really see what you are doing). Then you just lift the reservoir off the master cylinder. Yes there are two black seals that will probably stay in the master cylinder on you so you'll need to make sure you pull them out before installing the new reservoir with the new seals.
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Old 06-02-2013, 07:45 PM   #24
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Old 06-03-2013, 12:33 AM   #25
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One bolt in front and one in the rear (The rear bolt is kind of a pain because there's not a lot of room and you can't really see what you are doing). Then you just lift the reservoir off the master cylinder. Yes there are two black seals that will probably stay in the master cylinder on you so you'll need to make sure you pull them out before installing the new reservoir with the new seals.
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Old 06-06-2013, 08:18 PM   #27
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@ Nick S or CHMSC...

I'm getting my Stage 2 kit tomorrow....besides putting down lots of towels and getting a pair of long needle nose pliers do y'all have any other tips? thanks!

Edit: read the first post....Before i pump the clutch several times or so...so i'll need to wiggle the new hose to get all the air out of the hose to get the fluid to flow in....My question is when will i know to do this? will there be air bubbles in the small reservoir?
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Old 06-08-2013, 11:36 PM   #28
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I'm getting my Stage 2 kit tomorrow....besides putting down lots of towels and getting a pair of long needle nose pliers do y'all have any other tips? thanks!

Edit: read the first post....Before i pump the clutch several times or so...so i'll need to wiggle the new hose to get all the air out of the hose to get the fluid to flow in....My question is when will i know to do this? will there be air bubbles in the small reservoir?
Yes if you wiggle the hose and move it around with the new clutch reservoir cap off you will see the bubbles coming out and bubbling up. Make sure to do this until you cannot get any more bubbles to come out. You should have to refill your new clutch reservoir at least once after the initial fill of fluid. This will be due to the air bubbles coming out and the clutch fluid flowing into the new clutch hose and taking the place of the air in the hose. So if you don't need to put additional fluid in at least once then you probably don't have all the air out.
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:38 AM   #29
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I'm getting my Stage 2 kit tomorrow....besides putting down lots of towels and getting a pair of long needle nose pliers do y'all have any other tips? thanks!

Edit: read the first post....Before i pump the clutch several times or so...so i'll need to wiggle the new hose to get all the air out of the hose to get the fluid to flow in....My question is when will i know to do this? will there be air bubbles in the small reservoir?
I did it a different way since I put in a tick high flow clutch line when I installed the res. you could do a similar task to get the air it of the line by disconnecting the clutch line from the tranny and having someone fill the res and flush the air out of the line, when its flushed, reconnect it to the tranny and then bleed the clutch. Yes, bleeding the clutch is not the easiest thing in the world to do but not impossible. Helps to have a few helping hands when doing this. One to fill the res, one pumping the clutch pedal and the other under the car cracking the bleeder. You can do it with two people just easier with three. After every pump make sure the res has plenty of fluid so you don't get air in the system. I wanted to bleed the clutch to make sure all the old fluid was out and the all the air as well. Easiest if you have your head towards the driver side and feet towards the passenger side. Here is a good vid to show you how to bleed the clutch and watch it carefully, he gives great info and made the job a lot easier. 8mm open ended wrench to bleed the clutch.

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Thanks guys, appreciate y'all's help! Went back to my car and there were barely any bubbles....now for the test drive lol
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Old 03-21-2014, 05:02 AM   #31
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One issue I see with this mod is that the clutch fluid reservoir is now tiny, so the clutch fluid will get overwhelmingly dirty (just like what happens to C5/C6 Corvettes) in no time. The fluid slowly backfeeds into the reservoir (which is why we pump the pedal to clean the system), so that very dark fluid is everywhere in the clutch system now. When that happens, the clutch pedal will start to 'stick' to the floor, which can even get downright dangerous. It happened to me back when I owned a C5 Corvette Z06.

Yes, I don't want to contaminate the brake system's fluid with the nasty clutch fluid, but I think it would be much better if we use a much bigger reservoir. The Corvettes have pretty much the same system with that little reservoir, and any Corvette owner who actually drives his/her car knows that it needs to be cleaned-up at least once every time you get gas (so called Ranger method) to keep it running flawlessly.

Any chance you guys could come up with a (much) bigger reservoir for the clutch fluid? This way, I'd know that the clutch will not fail during a weekend of an HPDE event
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:49 AM   #32
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Just throwing out a tip for the spillage of the brake fluid.....like the OP says, put towels down pretty much everywhere you can but also keep a bottle of water handy. If brake fluid somehow gets on your paint pour the water on it as fast as you can. Water is bad news for brake fluid. So, keep it away from the reservoir but have it handy for the spills.
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Old 03-22-2014, 12:13 PM   #33
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One issue I see with this mod is that the clutch fluid reservoir is now tiny, so the clutch fluid will get overwhelmingly dirty (just like what happens to C5/C6 Corvettes) in no time. The fluid slowly backfeeds into the reservoir (which is why we pump the pedal to clean the system), so that very dark fluid is everywhere in the clutch system now. When that happens, the clutch pedal will start to 'stick' to the floor, which can even get downright dangerous. It happened to me back when I owned a C5 Corvette Z06.

Yes, I don't want to contaminate the brake system's fluid with the nasty clutch fluid, but I think it would be much better if we use a much bigger reservoir. The Corvettes have pretty much the same system with that little reservoir, and any Corvette owner who actually drives his/her car knows that it needs to be cleaned-up at least once every time you get gas (so called Ranger method) to keep it running flawlessly.

Any chance you guys could come up with a (much) bigger reservoir for the clutch fluid? This way, I'd know that the clutch will not fail during a weekend of an HPDE event
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Old 03-22-2014, 02:16 PM   #34
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This shows what crap goes into the brake fluid. You want this crap in your brake fluid? I don't. The new rezzy size is what just about every other car has with a seperate rezzy.
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