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Old 05-30-2013, 04:48 AM   #1
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On his previous set up he made 561whp and went 11.23 @ 126, well i have a 5k budget and basically stock car aside from a k&n intake. what would needed to be done to sneak out a 10.9x?

i'm definitely going to run an nx express 150 wet shot through a shark nozzle. i've yet to buy a tuner, i do have the proper plugs and a local tuner here capable of doing whatever my car needs fuel and timing wise. i'm just not sure what else i need as far as gears, tire, stall, suspension. i am not afraid to make my car 100% a single seater. from what i've seen a few have cut low 11's/high 10s with headers and shot alone but wondering your thoughts on what and where to spend to drag this kid. pockets only get deeper towards winter.

oh forgot to mention this was in a 1300 da with 72% humidity for that night he ran that said time.

also a friend of mine has 18x9.5 wheels from his ls3 corvette. down side is they are factory 56mm off set, any chance of these still fitting?
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:38 PM   #3
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On his previous set up he made 561whp and went 11.23 @ 126, well i have a 5k budget and basically stock car aside from a k&n intake. what would needed to be done to sneak out a 10.9x?

i'm definitely going to run an nx express 150 wet shot through a shark nozzle. i've yet to buy a tuner, i do have the proper plugs and a local tuner here capable of doing whatever my car needs fuel and timing wise. i'm just not sure what else i need as far as gears, tire, stall, suspension. i am not afraid to make my car 100% a single seater. from what i've seen a few have cut low 11's/high 10s with headers and shot alone but wondering your thoughts on what and where to spend to drag this kid. pockets only get deeper towards winter.

oh forgot to mention this was in a 1300 da with 72% humidity for that night he ran that said time.

also a friend of mine has 18x9.5 wheels from his ls3 corvette. down side is they are factory 56mm off set, any chance of these still fitting?
Good luck on getting into the 10's with a 5K budget .
From what I have seen, you pretty much need to have ~ 700 RWHP, the right tires, and know how to drive the 1/4 to run 10's

There are guys here that have spent 5-6X that amount to run 10's consistently. Let us know what you decide and how it comes out.
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Old 05-30-2013, 10:44 PM   #4
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Cam - 2k
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You might get into the 10s but you'll need a big shot and an aggressive cam and parts will start breaking quickly.
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Old 05-31-2013, 01:32 AM   #5
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Cam - 2k
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You might get into the 10s but you'll need a big shot and an aggressive cam and parts will start breaking quickly.
Exactly what i was thinking, i know the cam choice/heads setup im after from texasspeed. have 5k atm and aiming for a 12k for the end of the year budget. I know axles will be the first victim on the list. Im hoping for 440s motor (l99) and I'll let the nitrous make up the rest. (150 shot)
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Also i have the nitrous kit. Cai. And talking to my tuner now to see what software to use to tie it all in
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Exactly what i was thinking, i know the cam choice/heads setup im after from texasspeed. have 5k atm and aiming for a 12k for the end of the year budget. I know axles will be the first victim on the list. Im hoping for 440s motor (l99) and I'll let the nitrous make up the rest. (150 shot)
You wont have any trouble with axles with a high 10 sec L99. You problem is getting high 10's with a 5K budget. You need some ZO6 front replica wheels with the ZO6 offset, 305/45R18 MT drag radials, a 3600 stall, cam, headers and the nitrous. Remember you can only choose two words from the following statement. Fast, reliable, cheap.
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Old 05-31-2013, 07:53 AM   #8
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only needs to work once. and 5k is the budget right now, not the budget by october (more as i add to it). i have a decent amount of the build figured. and the means to have it installed very reasonably, a chevy tech friend of mine and i are going to be doing the dod delete and cam swap. just researching what size stall in conjunction with a 150 shot and the vvt-3 cam. and if i'll need any head work at all since they will be pulled off anyways. labor for stall installation and dod delete is only going to run me 800. (not including price of parts).
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You wont have any trouble with axles with a high 10 sec L99. You problem is getting high 10's with a 5K budget. You need some ZO6 front replica wheels with the ZO6 offset, 305/45R18 MT drag radials, a 3600 stall, cam, headers and the nitrous. Remember you can only choose two words from the following statement. Fast, reliable, cheap.
Um I broke my axle like 2 days ago and I only have 480 whp. I hit it in second from a roll so it's not even driver related.
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Cam - 2k
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Weight reduction - free
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You might get into the 10s but you'll need a big shot and an aggressive cam and parts will start breaking quickly.
Pipe dream.
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I don't see it either. A guy here just ran a 12.2 1/4 MILE. That's drag radials, CAI, LT Headers, full exhaust w/ cutouts, stronger axles, tuned and a pretty big Cam too. Not to mention he can drive pretty well. He was having a hard time to get it to hook up though. I don't see $5k getting you there, even with you doing every bit of labor. The only thing that might do it is the Spray, but even that will be a close one. That's my 2 cents, probably only worth 1 though.
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I don't see it either. A guy here just ran like a low to mid 12 I think it was. That's drag radials, CAI, LT Headers, full exhaust w/ cutouts, tuned to perfection and a pretty big Cam too. Not to mention he can drive pretty well. I don't see $5k getting you there, even with you doing every bit of labor. The only thing that might do it is the Spray, but even that will be a close one. That's my 2 cents, probably only worth 1 though.
Some people are running mid 12s on completely stock cars and a couple in high 10s low 11s with heads/cam so idk what's going on there... His goal is unrealistic sure but it won't hurt to try. All he has to lose is some ego.

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Some people are running mid 12s on completely stock cars and a couple in high 10s low 11s with heads/cam so idk what's going on there... His goal is unrealistic sure but it won't hurt to try. All he has to lose is some ego.

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I just talked to him and revised my post a bit. He ran a 12.2 but said he was not hooking up that great.
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I just talked to him and revised my post a bit. He ran a 12.2 but said he was not hooking up that great.
Which leads us to our main problem with this whole situation: track conditions/luck. Considering he has an auto, driving skill won't matter. But the track will have to be well prepped, the weather great, his mods will have to work together properly, hopefully he has good factory parts and doesn't wheel hop everywhere, etc. I guess we'll just have to find out.
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Weight is a big killer on these cars. My 67 is ~3600lbs with me in it. Got about $1500 in the motor..thats it. Runs 1.43 60ft, 11.1 Qtr spinnig off the line. With our GEN V cars we have to spend a lot to get those times or better. Hope GM comes thru with less weight for Gen6
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I got a question! Why are you so hellbent on beating this guy? 560hp huh? Bet he's not street worthy. If I were you id take my time, do it right, and then take this car down. Why take the risk. Of breaking your car? I hope it for more than just bragging rights. Just a thought.
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I got a question! Why are you so hellbent on beating this guy? 560hp huh? Bet he's not street worthy. If I were you id take my time, do it right, and then take this car down. Why take the risk. Of breaking your car? I hope it for more than just bragging rights. Just a thought.
It's not a big risk... the boltons and cam are harmless. The spray shouldn't be bad if he does it right. LS motors are known for taking nitrous just fine. What's gonna break are his axles, clutch, maybe drive shaft etc. But if he does it now or later, the only difference is that he has to pay for a tow.
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It's not a big risk... the boltons and cam are harmless. The spray shouldn't be bad if he does it right. LS motors are known for taking nitrous just fine. What's gonna break are his axles, clutch, maybe drive shaft etc. But if he does it now or later, the only difference is that he has to pay for a tow.
I'm just wondering what the payoff is for the win and is it worth it.
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I'm just wondering what the payoff is for the win and is it worth it.
Well even if he doesn't win he still has a fast car so it's worth it. I have a lot of the mods he wants to do. Axles instead of trailing arms and no radials but spray is next. Just because.
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Well even if he doesn't win he still has a fast car so it's worth it. I have a lot of the mods he wants to do. Axles instead of trailing arms and no radials but spray is next. Just because.
that is, of course, if nothing breaks. Good luck op
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that is, of course, if nothing breaks. Good luck op
Oh, it will. But he said he will have plenty of money later on so it's no biggie.
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I got a question! Why are you so hellbent on beating this guy? 560hp huh? Bet he's not street worthy. If I were you id take my time, do it right, and then take this car down. Why take the risk. Of breaking your car? I hope it for more than just bragging rights. Just a thought.
it's all for fun as racing should be, and here in oklahoma we are known for our love of drag racing, as far as being done correctly i'm 100% confident in my ability to get this car safely down the track. i am an auto, so it will all be in the launch and i know the risks of launching on a 150 shot and what wheel hop/tires biting too well(such a thing lol) can do to an axle. as far as hell bent, why not have a goal the worste thing that could happen is i lose and come back faster. and i may have not specified properly. as of today 5/31/13 i have a disposal of 5k for the vehicle, by october when the da is much better and we will assuredly be meeting at the track it will be in the 12k range. i'm not going sc/tc on this vehicle since it isn't something i want.
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Um I broke my axle like 2 days ago and I only have 480 whp. I hit it in second from a roll so it's not even driver related.
There is a big difference between what breaks in a auto L99 car vs a M6 LS3 car. Plenty of auto cars run high 10's on stock axles. I would never attempt that with a M6 car though. You can break a axle in a M6 car with near stock power. The auto car is very forgiving on the rear end shock and strain. I never had a problem at the drag strip with drag radials with my stock axles and 440RWHP. Guys have cut 1.5 60fts on completely stock rear ends and suspensions with no breakage on L99 cars.
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There is a big difference between what breaks in a auto L99 car vs a M6 LS3 car. Plenty of auto cars run high 10's on stock axles. I would never attempt that with a M6 car though. You can break a axle in a M6 car with near stock power. The auto car is very forgiving on the rear end shock and strain. I never had a problem at the drag strip with drag radials with my stock axles and 440RWHP. Guys have cut 1.5 60fts on completely stock rear ends and suspensions with no breakage on L99 cars.
Well damn, must be nice.
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Well damn, must be nice.
Well its kinda a trade off. You guys have to spend big bucks on rear end suspnsion and driveline mods while we have to spend big bucks on cam installs to delete all the AFM/DOD crap.
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