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Old 06-03-2013, 02:15 PM   #103
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And you'd be?

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double-ball-joint, multi-link strut; direct-acting stabilizer bar; progressive-rate coil springs; inverted monotube shock absorber
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11 vs 11.5 with a 305 tire isn't near the stretch if any at all compared to the 10 vs 11 with a 285 on the 1LE.
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Old 06-03-2013, 02:28 PM   #104
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Laughed about what the fact that you're too stupid to do anything but quote engineers? Like I said it's funny how much you guys put on people that designed a car like this. Everything they've done is just making up for what it should've been from day one.
I can tell you that one of the engineers on the Z28 and 1LE is one of the best Pro Touring drivers in the nation, so I would take what he says a gospel in regard to our Camaro's...so I would show some respect to the design team.

that being said, I don't have his skills and like my Camaro set up with a slightly larger rear tire for a bit more grip after adding more horsepower...that's my preference for handling in my Camaro on the track...
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:13 PM   #105
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Way behind in what?

Unless of course you think there's still a big secret to the handling differences between the Mustang and Camaro. With that being said handling is the only category a Camaro anything excels at compared to a Mustang. I completely understand Mustangs from the V6 to the GT500 are under-tired be it compound or actual size. Point being that too many folks in here look past common sense and fail to compare all the variables just because GM engineers said so or because they did some laps.
After watching an hour long special (commercial) by Ford and their engineering team showcasing the Boss as their BEST EVER I'd say they don't know the "big secret".
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:21 PM   #106
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Man this Cody guy is too much!!!!!!!!
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:31 PM   #107
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I went back and read the entire thread.

The 2010 Camaro was not designed to achieve the fastest road course lap times.

It was designed to outsell the Mustang, which it has.

The 1LE was designed to achieve the fastest road course lap times.

Expert drivers who happen to be expert handling and chassis dynamics engineers drove the heck out of the 1LE test mules on the track and on the road to engineer the most track capable LS3 Camaro that is also a good daily driver.

Here's how the testing went:

1. 285 x 10 on the front, 305 x 11 on the rear (like the ZL1) caused the less powerful 1LE to PUSH a little at the limit so the car can't rotate as well in the corners because of too much grip in the rear for optimal times. The ZL1 needs the rear grip because... 580 hp.

2. 285 x 10 on the front, 285 x 10 on rear caused the 1LE to be be a little LOOSE at the limit so the driver can't get on the gas as early or as hard out of corners. Not quite enough rear grip for optimal times.

3. 285 x 10 on the front, 285 x 11 on the rear resulting in a NEUTRAL handling balance and a car capable of quicker lap times. The stretched 285 tire on the 11 inch rear wheel has the correct amount of rear grip to get the 1LE around a track the fastest. This balance is why the 1LE is faster on a road course than the lighter and more powerful Laguna Seca Boss 302 with R compound tires.

To just throw a sqaure setup on the car with no testing would be stupid and woudn't be as fast.

Push is safe, loose is fun, neutral is FAST and just right. Porridge time.

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Old 06-03-2013, 03:40 PM   #108
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You guys are wasting your time by feeding the troll. He is obviously just here to prove everyone wrong and how much smarter he is than everyone else.

This is with his obviously superior Bench-racing Internet experience, that he got from something someone said on a rustang board once, so it much be true. And he knows in his deepest most inner-secret place, that if we just listened, our eyes would be opened to how true everything he says is. Then we would all bow down and give him the worship, he obviously thinks he justly deserves.

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Old 06-03-2013, 03:53 PM   #109
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You guys are wasting your time by feeding the troll. He is obviously just here to prove everyone wrong and how much smarter he is than everyone else.

This is with his obviously superior Bench-racing Internet experience, that he got from something someone said on a rustang board once, so it much be true. And he knows in his deepest most inner-secret place, that if we just listened, our eyes would be opened to how true everything he says is. Then we would all bow down and give him the worship, he obviously thinks he justly deserves.

Oh so what you're saying is ignorance is not bliss.
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:57 PM   #110
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You guys are wasting your time by feeding the troll. He is obviously just here to prove everyone wrong and how much smarter he is than everyone else.

This is with his obviously superior Bench-racing Internet experience, that he got from something someone said on a rustang board once, so it much be true. And he knows in his deepest most inner-secret place, that if we just listened, our eyes would be opened to how true everything he says is. Then we would all bow down and give him the worship, he obviously thinks he justly deserves.

Everyones wrong because he said so!!! I know this cause I read it on the internet.
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:58 PM   #111
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I went back and read the entire thread.

The 2010 Camaro was not designed to achieve the fastest road course lap times.

It was designed to outsell the Mustang, which it has.

The 1LE was designed to achieve the fastest road course lap times.

Expert drivers who happen to be expert handling and chassis dynamics engineers drove the heck out of the 1LE test mules on the track and on the road to engineer the most track capable LS3 Camaro that is also a good daily driver.

Here's how the testing went:

1. 285 x 10 on the front, 305 x 11 on the rear (like the ZL1) caused the less powerful 1LE to PUSH a little at the limit so the car can't rotate as well in the corners because of too much grip in the rear for optimal times. The ZL1 needs the rear grip because... 580 hp.

2. 285 x 10 on the front, 285 x 10 on rear caused the 1LE to be be a little LOOSE at the limit so the driver can't get on the gas as early or as hard out of corners. Not quite enough rear grip for optimal times.

3. 285 x 10 on the front, 285 x 11 on the rear resulting in a NEUTRAL handling balance and a car capable of quicker lap times. The stretched 285 tire on the 11 inch rear wheel has the correct amount of rear grip to get the 1LE around a track the fastest. This balance is why the 1LE is faster on a road course than the lighter and more powerful Laguna Seca Boss 302 with R compound tires.

To just throw a sqaure setup on the car with no testing would be stupid and woudn't be as fast.

Push is safe, loose is fun, neutral is FAST and just right. Porridge time.
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:38 PM   #112
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I think if you leave your Camaro 1LE stock then having the 285 tires all around would be better then changing the rear wheels to 305's. Now if you plan on modding the car to get more horsepower out of it then I think changing the rear tires to 305's would be best.
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:39 PM   #113
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I don't road race so I installed the 305's for looks and grip in a straight line. Someone already said it, wider body needs a fatter tire as far as appearance goes.
Completely agree with white1LE. Had the 305's put on before I picked mine up. Gives the car a better look!
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:58 PM   #114
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Completely agree with white1LE. Had the 305's put on before I picked mine up. Gives the car a better look!
I think I might do the same. How much was it to change the rear tires to 305's?
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11 vs 11.5 with a 305 tire isn't near the stretch if any at all compared to the 10 vs 11 with a 285 on the 1LE.

And...

Point is the Z/28 (with newly designed rims) rides on staggered rims as well...meaning it must be desired.
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Old 06-03-2013, 08:03 PM   #116
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The reasons for the tire selection have been proven to enhance handling. Read the suspension forum, as it's been covered there as well.

In any case, you guys are arguing with the guy that won't use a CAI because it "looks stupid".

Don't feed the Trolls.
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Old 06-03-2013, 09:44 PM   #117
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Too funny. A guy buys a Mustang but hangs out on the Camaro forum. It is clearly not for the friends he has here.

Now I will say that in kneebraska he probably has a choice of shoveling cow poo or running his buddies modified diesal truck down highway 211 so a Mustang is a great choice.

He may have purchased it to pick up some corn feed females. And of course we all know chicks love Mustangs (because that is who drives most of them) .

Seriously Cody. The above added about as much value to this thread as you!

Back to tires, suspension, 1LE set-up ect. I have tracked my 1LE and then spoke with Aaron Link and Al Oppenheisur this past weekend about. I was happy with all of the responses and Insite I received as they where forthcoming about the why and why nots to do certain things to the car. I am confident in speaking with them and having my own background in roadracing and car prep that they are more than engineers but also enthusiasts.

The 1LE performs very well in stock form with the 285 all the way around. Add more power and toss on the 305. (If you are going to track it).

I will only agree with you on one point. I am not a fan of the way the clear cover intake looks even with its proven power increases :(

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Old 06-03-2013, 11:12 PM   #118
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You guys are wasting your time by feeding the troll. He is obviously just here to prove everyone wrong and how much smarter he is than everyone else.

This is with his obviously superior Bench-racing Internet experience, that he got from something someone said on a rustang board once, so it much be true. And he knows in his deepest most inner-secret place, that if we just listened, our eyes would be opened to how true everything he says is. Then we would all bow down and give him the worship, he obviously thinks he justly deserves.


It makes me laugh when people get their panties so tightly wadded thet they need to single people out and call them a troll. My reply was based on the OP's question and so far is a more ligit answer than anything else. Regardless of what a few "wanna be" experts in here think stretching the rear tire is a piss poor way of tuning handling. If this chassis was the God send people thought it was they'd be tuning understeer out with swaybar, damper or spring changes.

Does one need any more proof than threads about the sidewalls ripping on tires to re-consider stretching? Like I just said if you experts were just that we'd be talking about chassis tuning and the same tire/wheel combo on all four corners.
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:22 PM   #119
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Too funny. A guy buys a Mustang but hangs out on the Camaro forum. It is clearly not for the friends he has here.

Now I will say that in kneebraska he probably has a choice of shoveling cow poo or running his buddies modified diesal truck down highway 211 so a Mustang is a great choice.

He may have purchased it to pick up some corn feed females. And of course we all know chicks love Mustangs (because that is who drives most of them) .

Seriously Cody. The above added about as much value to this thread as you!

Back to tires, suspension, 1LE set-up ect. I have tracked my 1LE and then spoke with Aaron Link and Al Oppenheisur this past weekend about. I was happy with all of the responses and Insite I received as they where forthcoming about the why and why nots to do certain things to the car. I am confident in speaking with them and having my own background in roadracing and car prep that they are more than engineers but also enthusiasts.

The 1LE performs very well in stock form with the 285 all the way around. Add more power and toss on the 305. (If you are going to track it).

I will only agree with you on one point. I am not a fan of the way the clear cover intake looks even with its proven power increases :(

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Kid I've had more cars in the last five years than you've had period. Most recently a 2006 GTO, 2007 C6 Z51 and 2012 Camaro SS 45th AE. I got rid of my Camaro purly because the styling just never grew on me. It was a good from far, far from good car in my opinion. As for the designers/engineers of the Camaro you're giving them way too much credit.

As for intakes most that "add power" do so because of the tune accompaning it. But lets say they really did add massive power they still don't need to look stupid to do so.
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