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Old 06-30-2009, 07:54 AM   #26
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$6k seems to be right in line with what most supercharger kits go for that I have seen advertised. At least in the Vette world.

A centrifugal supercharged car will drive more or less like stock until you get on it. Once you hit 3500-4000 rpm's it will be a screamer and take off like a bat out of hell.

Too bad about the air filter location, that is the first thing I saw when I looked at the pics and it is an eye sore.
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Old 06-30-2009, 08:55 AM   #27
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Wow...Ok I am pretty sure I did not compare a 4.6 to a 6.2 engine...
Thus the reason why I said I am unsure HOW MUCH a stock Ls3 can take. The poster was referring to his nephew's MUSTANG.

For a stock 4.6(289) 500RWHP is the limit of safety on that stock block. The ATI system on a MUSTANG can put out well over the threshold for that car. Thus that can be the reason why his nephew car went boom...

If the camaro LS3 can take 600+ RWHP or more on stock internals, than thats a wonderful thing. I guess we will start to find out just exactly what the breaking points will be soon enough.
A stock 4.6L is 281 cubic inches since 1996 and a stock sohc/dohc mustang 4.6L engine can only handle 450rwhp. You can do whatever you want to but i had a 2003 Dohc 4-valve Mach1 4.6L (281) and i was on the limit with 444rwhp off a procharger system with 10#'s, so i know for a fact a 3-valve 2005+ GT mustang can only handle 450 safe. The 3-valve heads are one step away from 4-valve heads. These new camaro SS's can handle 525-550rwhp just doing basic math and going off what LS3 Vettes can handle but don't push your luck after that.
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Old 06-30-2009, 09:00 AM   #28
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$6k seems to be right in line with what most supercharger kits go for that I have seen advertised. At least in the Vette world.

A centrifugal supercharged car will drive more or less like stock until you get on it. Once you hit 3500-4000 rpm's it will be a screamer and take off like a bat out of hell.

Too bad about the air filter location, that is the first thing I saw when I looked at the pics and it is an eye sore.
Very true but it actually helped with the 2005+ Mustang Gt's with that odd filter location. The temps went down 10-15 degrees. $6k seems high to me I got my Procharger P-1SC kit for my '03 Mach1 for $5k and I got the 10# upgrade, polished head unit, hand held tuner with 2 tunes 91 octane and 100 race gas. You could get a custom Turbo kit for $6k and dominate !!!
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Old 06-30-2009, 09:13 AM   #29
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Old 06-30-2009, 09:13 AM   #30
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6K isn't bad for 150+rwhp. Very clean looking unit. I would probably go with this after about a year.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:00 AM   #31
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OK, now somebody figure out a cowl induction hood/airbox setup that's functional so the filter's not sitting on top of all that heat. (It'd certainly look better.)
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:04 AM   #32
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OK, now somebody figure out a cowl induction hood/airbox setup that's functional so the filter's not sitting on top of all that heat. (It'd certainly look better.)
thats the first thing i thought of
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:06 AM   #33
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ProCharger makes a good pitch as always, but I really want to see a dyno chart accompanied with a quarter mile video. I think that would make the best case.

ProCharger has traditionally represented a great product. I'm sure that will continue.

On a more critical note, I hope that someone can make that intake functional. I can't imagine the placement being worse.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:08 AM   #34
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It'd be nice to see dyno' numbers from an SS but the numbers from the 'Vette look pretty promising. These numbers (from the crank from what it looked like) look like they'd be pretty close to what some roots/screw-type lungs offer.

Pretty cool
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:31 AM   #35
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Carb exempt and 50 state legal really makes this look like an option for us California cars.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:48 AM   #36
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Its the same on a stang. I have seen people use a shorty filter, that fits right behind the S/C..but there is really not a whole lot of room to go anywhere else.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:58 AM   #37
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How is that intake sucking anything other than extremely hot engine heat?
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:03 AM   #38
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hmm, wonder what pricing will be
$6,896. just called
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:13 AM   #39
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How is that intake sucking anything other than extremely hot engine heat?
That is what the intercooler is for. It doesn't matter where the air is coming from, it gets cooled before it goes into the intake.

Granted, it would be nice if it pulled colder air, but really doesn't make a difference with an intercooler.

Go to there site and look at the different sizes & shapes they have.
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$6k seems to be right in line with what most supercharger kits go for that I have seen advertised. At least in the Vette world.

A centrifugal supercharged car will drive more or less like stock until you get on it. Once you hit 3500-4000 rpm's it will be a screamer and take off like a bat out of hell.

Too bad about the air filter location, that is the first thing I saw when I looked at the pics and it is an eye sore.
Yeah, thats the 1st thing I saw too. It just doesnt look like it belong right there.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:25 AM   #41
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$6,896. just called
Holy Hell! That's way too expensive.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:34 AM   #42
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$6,896. just called
I called before I saw this and they told me the same thing.
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Old 06-30-2009, 08:54 PM   #43
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thats alot for that kit. years ago these kits were only $ 4000 whats the big difference probably not too much, I cant believe how these prices just keep going up and up. I hope nobody buys this kit so that procharger realizes that they are over the market.
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Old 06-30-2009, 09:24 PM   #44
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thats alot for that kit. years ago these kits were only $ 4000 whats the big difference probably not too much, I cant believe how these prices just keep going up and up. I hope nobody buys this kit so that procharger realizes that they are over the market.
I know. I thought prices were DEflating not inflating.
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Old 07-02-2009, 09:23 PM   #45
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I know. I thought prices were DEflating not inflating.
Uh, where have you been, our gov't is printing money like crazy. Some analysts are warning that there may be hyper inflation.

I don't think $6k is bad for the kit at all. If you are waiting for a $3k supercharger kit you may be waiting a looong time.
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Old 07-03-2009, 12:53 AM   #46
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Uh, where have you been, our gov't is printing money like crazy. Some analysts are warning that there may be hyper inflation.

I don't think $6k is bad for the kit at all. If you are waiting for a $3k supercharger kit you may be waiting a looong time.
I agree $6k is not too bad, but the price is closer to $7k.
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Aren't the other kits priced at $8-9k for the new Camaro?
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2010 Camaro: ProCharger Systems and Tuner Kits Now Available
Posted on June 26th, 2009 by ProCharger

Building on our industry-leading experience with supercharging GM LS engines, ProCharger is once again first-to-market with an air-to-air intercooled supercharger system and tuner kit for the highly anticipated 2010 Camaro SS. Complete systems and tuner kits are available for order now and will begin shipping by July 10th. -- http://www.procharger.com/supercharger/blog/?p=130




Utilizing the patented and proven, self-contained ProCharger P-1SC-1 supercharger, a highly effective air-to-air intercooler and dedicated 8-rib drive, a ProCharger system or tuner kit can add 45% or more horsepower to an otherwise stock Camaro SS running high quality pump gas.



The HO Intercooled System comes 100% complete, including the industry-standard ProCharger supercharger, air-to-air intercooler, intercooler tubing, brackets, fuel injectors, ProFlow bypass valve, tuning and simple installation. Thanks to the industry’s coolest charge air temperatures, the unmatched power gains are delivered with maximum reliability and everyday driveability.

Tuner Kits are identical to complete systems but omit fuel injectors and computer programming.



Yes, we know these long awaited cars are going to be raced, so ProCharger Race Kits will be coming very soon. Look for the legendary ProCharger F-Series superchargers, dedicated 12-rib and cog drive sytems and larger intercooler options for 2010 Camaros with modified LS engines.
Procharger was the first on the block with the C-5 Z06 kit & I had the misfortune of buying one. These were the issues, poor quality intercooler boots,misaligned pulleys causing premature belt failure,Blower should of had its own belt, Too many items driven off one 5 rib belt. intercooler pipes hung too low & had to be redone. Programming & tune provided way off, even after 4 attempts to have corrected. No support & arrogant attitude from staff.Product was rushed to market to beat out competitors & left to the installer to figure it all out. I have been in the automotive industry way longer than Procharger in business & have welding,fabrication & general repair skills & was accused of not knowing what I was doing. My advise is not be the first to buy this kit & look into what other options are available. One of their most respected vendors A&A corvette no longer will do business with them also. Sorry that my first post here has to be so negative but I have no ulterior motives for posting this other than it is what it is.
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Hmm... I know my tuner's been using them for several years, but I'm going to check with him regarding this too. It's too bad what happened to your 'Vette though and the response it sounds like you had.

That head unit looks similar to what I've seen in the past. That being said, what I don't like is having to pull the head in order to change the oil within. I thought I remembered the interval was something like every 6,000 miles, but I don't have to pull my rear end to change the fluid so I just have a little bit of a hard time with that. Don't get me wrong though - I don't much like the idea of having to tap into the oil pan either that I remember some other centrifugals either. I know these babies perform; I don't think that's too arguable. I'm just curious to still see the numbers.
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2 comments...these type S/C produce power in a turbo(esc) way...ie in a linear fashion, they don't produce the raw low end torque of a roots type blower, but they will make very strong power 3-4K up and make more peak power than a PD blower. Since this is a heavy car, the question I have is which one will "run" better, product better power under the curve (more average power).
2nd...the price is or should be very attractive...you boys looked at the TVS pricing? This is extremely comparable if not cheaper than TVS's...so I'd say its a pretty good deal. There is a local vette on stock short block that is running mid 10-s at 130+ with one of these things....lots a miles on the stock short block..
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