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Old 06-04-2013, 06:36 AM   #1
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How much power/ factory block/forged internals

How much power will the factory block hold with forged internals?
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Old 06-04-2013, 06:50 AM   #2
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How much power will the factory block hold with forged internals?
We stop at 1000hp.
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:03 AM   #3
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We stop at 1000hp.
Andy, do you use a forged crank at the level? If so, how far do you push the stock crank?
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:25 AM   #4
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1000 crank or rwhp?
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I didn't want to go over 700 with 4 bolt heads, that's the real weak point on the LS3.
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I didn't want to go over 700 with 4 bolt heads, that's the real weak point on the LS3.

Do you mean 4 bolt main?
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:31 AM   #7
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Do you mean 4 bolt main?
No he means the heads. Stock ls3/l99 blocks and heads only have provisions for 4 bolts per cylinder, limiting their resistance to cylinder pressure.

I am using 6 bolt heads on my 4 bolt block because they have a thicker deck to resist lifting. I also bought them because I will be using a 6 bolt block on the next iteration.

I am over 1000 crank hp with my stock crank with forged rods and forged pistons as well. It is a centri setup and they are typically easier on parts.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:42 AM   #8
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It's pretty amazing how much power the stock LS blocks are holding. The ARH/FARK Camaro made 1300 with a forged 416 and the stock LS3 block, but that really pushing it.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:32 AM   #9
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Plenty of people make 1100+ on 4 bolt heads. Good gaskets, L19 1/2" studs work wonders. Plus a lot of shops like to keep 4 bolt heads as a fuse. If it pings it will take out a headgasket before a piston if you are lucky.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:47 AM   #10
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You need at least 1000 RWHP for internet racing.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:53 AM   #11
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Do you mean 4 bolt main?
We have 6 bolt mains
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:05 PM   #12
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You need at least 1000 RWHP for internet racing.
Is there a factor to convert internet hp to rear wheel, flywheel, or real world/no sh!t type power? Can you calibrate an internet dyno to reveal those other, less important numbers
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:46 PM   #13
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Seems like boost is the issue with lifting the heads.. The magic number is between 22-23 pounds before it starts trying to push water.
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Old 06-04-2013, 04:12 PM   #15
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I didn't want to go over 700 with 4 bolt heads, that's the real weak point on the LS3.
700 isn't to much for 4 bolt heads. You stopped at 700 because that's all it would make...... I got some 6 bolt heads you can throw on that hull

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Old 06-04-2013, 05:27 PM   #16
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You need at least 1000 RWHP for internet racing.

well i dont know about internet racing... but i took this car to the track with only 650whp and was pretty sure i could knit a sweater while watching youtube clips it took so long to get to the end of the 1/4 mile. im not a fan of high 10 sec passes.

thats why i ordered the squash fuel system,nitrous kit, smaller whipple pulley, meth kit, 4l80e, 4" dss driveshaft, 1000hp converter, 17" bigs and skinnies for the car.

and this winter its getting a ecs ysi kit and an lsx 427! already order the block i was just wondering how far i could push this one this summer if i threw in some forged parts.
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Old 06-04-2013, 05:32 PM   #17
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We stop at 1000hp.

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Old 06-04-2013, 07:44 PM   #18
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Andy, do you use a forged crank at the level? If so, how far do you push the stock crank?
We have had multiple GM CRATE LSX 376 B-8 engines to 800 hp.They use a stock LS3 crank and no failures yet.

The new LSX 376 B-15 uses the LSA FORGED CRANK ,We will be testing it to well over 1000 rwhp in our Twin Turbo ADM/AGP/LPE shop car.

Note:On cars over 750 hp we change the rod bolts to Katech.
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I would be much more worried about the rods before I would the crank. If your staying stock cubes I see no reason to change the crank even more so on a turbo build.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:09 PM   #20
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I was just planning on some forged pistons, rods and upgraded rod bolts....car already has arp headstuds
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700 isn't to much for 4 bolt heads. You stopped at 700 because that's all it would make...... I got some 6 bolt heads you can throw on that hull
I have 6 bolt heads, a full LSX actually. And I'm not stopping at 700, so don't know where that came from
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I lifted a stock cast LS3 head at 18 lbs and a 150 shot with APR studs... I now have LSA heads with oversized ARP studs, still the four bolt heads, and run 25 lbs of boost without pushing any water... In Oct I'll be adding the shot back in with the 25 lbs of boost... She'll go or blow... Time will tell...
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Old 06-05-2013, 03:47 AM   #23
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How long did you make it before lifting the head? I'm planning on running 15psi with a 75 shot within the next few weeks.
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well i dont know about internet racing... but i took this car to the track with only 650whp and was pretty sure i could knit a sweater while watching youtube clips it took so long to get to the end of the 1/4 mile. im not a fan of high 10 sec passes.

thats why i ordered the squash fuel system,nitrous kit, smaller whipple pulley, meth kit, 4l80e, 4" dss driveshaft, 1000hp converter, 17" bigs and skinnies for the car.

and this winter its getting a ecs ysi kit and an lsx 427! already order the block i was just wondering how far i could push this one this summer if i threw in some forged parts.
When did this car go high tens?

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