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Old 02-27-2008, 06:45 PM   #126
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yea i dont see the reason for not haven a non functional scoop. like the front on the z06 i thought that was there to keep the engine cooled down, and the vents at the side ment to keep the rear tires cooled. i have a feeling that those scoops do work for sumthin other than looks.
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:41 PM   #127
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The side scoops on the Z06 are for the brakes and they are functional.
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:21 PM   #128
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I appreciate the fact that the hood and front clip vents look good. But what a wasted opportunity... I understand that hood latches, windshield wipers among other things share that space. And I like the look, I just want it to work also. True RAM air or CAI from the factory...

I think DGthe3 should add "lack of functional ______ vents" to the list of complaints. Maybe there isn't enough of an outcry for it to make the list but it bugs me. I'm sure GM thought this one through and it didn't meet all the criteria to make it on the Camaro.... Still wish they worked.
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:25 PM   #129
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If you really think about the Z06 opening, the size alone says that its not functional. I mean there is now way that little slit would allow the amount of air needed to flow for that size engine.

Look at the WRX STi Scoop, that thing is HUGE and is functional for that tiny engine.

My Mustang did not come with a scoop, But I added the Roush Hood Scoop and made it a fully functional scoop. Not easy but I did it. (I will post pictures once I finish the US Patent paperwork.)

As far as Cowl Hoods today, most are not functional since modern engines do not have a carb on top of the motor, the intake tube and filter box are located in the front or front corner of the engine compartment, the amount of ducting needed on a metal hood would be expensive and heavy.
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:37 PM   #130
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I f you really think about the Z06 opening, the size alone says that its not functional. I mean there is now way that little slit would allow the amount of air needed to flow for that size engine.

Look at the WRX Scoop, that thing is HUGE and is functional for that tiny engine.

My Mustang did not come with a scoop, But I added the Roush Hood Scoop and made it a fully functional scoop. Not easy but I did it. (I will post pictures once I finish the US Patent paperwork.)

As far as Cowl Hoods today, most are not functional since modern engines do not have a carb on top of the motor, the intake tube and filter box are located in the front or front corner of the engine compartment, the amount of ducting needed on a metal hood would be expensive and heavy.

I agree. But there are plenty of aftermarket companies like (edit) APM that make functional Cowl and ram air hoods with the appropriate intake ducting to make it work. Chevy can do it too.
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:42 PM   #131
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Wasnt the SS Hood scoop a functional hood scoop??
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:58 PM   #132
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Wasnt the SS Hood scoop a functional hood scoop??
Yes it definitely is functional!!
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:59 PM   #133
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Yes it definitely is functional!!
SO they can do it again with this camaro, because to me the SS Scoop is sexy but it isnt that big ........
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:07 PM   #134
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Yeah even the Z06 and ZR1 don't have an open vents in front and it's a MAJOR styling feature of those cars. If you think about it it's obvious that the Camaro won't have it open either because hood latch (and actually the main structure that supports the radiator and the whole front end) is right behind there just like in the Vette. And yeah the rears are like the 69's as you can see in the all the pictures. The sheetmetal (including the gas cap) has been finalized for a LONG time.
OK, so DGthe3 you can now add to your signature:

...and none of the Vents are real!


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Old 02-27-2008, 10:07 PM   #135
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The 4th gen Camaro had a longer hood that helped to design a front air box that allowed for it to work. the 5th gen does not have that luxury.

Ram Air Myth...
Until the cfm flowing through the hood scoop is equal to or greater than the cfm that your engine is pumping, your HP increase will be exactly zero, zip, zilch. Say the vacuum pump that is your engine pulls 10,000cfm (just an example, but not an unreasonable number given the size of the engine) through the intake. You must be traveling fast enough to flow 10,000+1 cfm through the opening before you will see ANY HP increase. Now up to that point you will be increasing the volumetric effiency of the pump. The engine doesn't have to work as hard so your gas mileage and throttle response might improve, but that's it, no extra ponies because there is no extra air. You cannot defy the the laws of physics. How fast do you need to go to flow 10,000cfm through an opening area of 0.2sq.ft. (approx 6 inches in diameter)? Well at 1mph you will flow 17.6cfm, at 60mph just better than 1050cfm.....@ 568mph you will be just breaking even at 10,000cfm and then you start making real HP!!! Who needs a private jet when you have that car!!!! Keep in mind, this assumes that the intake is in an area of high pressure and will actually capture that much air. A typical hood scoop will not. It's a nice thought though.

Why the Z06 and Camaro scoops will not effect aerodynamics....
Look at the Picture of the Ferrari below, notice that the smoke stream is not touching the car, this in positive pressure, now notice the very front of the car, the smoke is farther away from the car here because the leading pressure is higher here and creates a "skin" of air so to speak. this skin or bubble of positive air does not move as fast as air further from the car.
for GM to put the slit up on the nose was a smart thing since it will not effect the overall dynamics. but it also makes the slit useless.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:10 PM   #136
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"at 60mph just better than 1050cfm.....@ 568mph you will be just breaking even at 10,000cfm and then you start making real HP!!! Who needs a private jet when you have that car!!!!"

I don't think 568MPH is too fast.

Thanks, Dragon, for the reply on the turn signals. Makes sense. Now I can sleep comfortably tonight.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:11 PM   #137
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my 350z has 'Heat release' style hood scoops similar to the viper and it adds a little bit more downforce... yea it is noticable... and one more thing about the air intakes and CAI... i had both a pop charger (short semi ram air) and CAI's on both my 350z and brothers charger... and the Pop charger worked better on both... the CAI tubing was too narrow and long and made what seemed like a whislling sound(turbo-ish) this is because the air in the tubing is travelling extremly fast... faster air = hotter air... less hp...and it also means the engine is gasping and lugging for more as the air cant full the plenum...btw...THOSE ARE UGLY HEADLIGHTS...........
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"at 60mph just better than 1050cfm.....@ 568mph you will be just breaking even at 10,000cfm and then you start making real HP!!! Who needs a private jet when you have that car!!!!"

I don't think 568MPH is too fast.

Thanks, Dragon, for the reply on the turn signals. Makes sense. Now I can sleep comfortably tonight.
Good point, you can never be too fast...

I seen a Mustang with the License plate that said 761-MPH
I thought WFT... it was a Mach 1 Nice...

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I agree. But there are plenty of aftermarket companies like (edit) APM that make functional Cowl and ram air hoods with the appropriate intake ducting to make it work. Chevy can do it too.
Right, but they are Fiber Glass not metal. unless Chevy makes a fiber glass hood for the production car which I doubt, the metal one would be heavy and expensive to make.
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"I seen a Mustang with the License plate that said 761-MPH
I thought WFT... it was a Mach 1 Nice..."

One of my cousins had a 72 Mach 1 that he shoe-horned one of those hot rodded 427 whatever Ford motors in it. I don't know that much about old Fords, but i remember that that car could probably do 761 MPH. He wrapped it around a power pole and that pretty much ruined the whole thing. He did come out of it with only a broken left arm though. Come to thing of it that Stang had quad headlights?????
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:29 PM   #140
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"I seen a Mustang with the License plate that said 761-MPH
I thought WFT... it was a Mach 1 Nice..."

One of my cousins had a 72 Mach 1 that he shoe-horned one of those hot rodded 427 whatever Ford motors in it. I don't know that much about old Fords, but i remember that that car could probably do 761 MPH. He wrapped it around a power pole and that pretty much ruined the whole thing. He did come out of it with only a broken left arm though. Come to thing of it that Stang had quad headlights?????
Sounds like he found a cobra engine ........... but where?!?!?!?! THATS IT!!!!!!! Now im gonna have to get a GT500 motor to put in my truck
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"I seen a Mustang with the License plate that said 761-MPH
I thought WFT... it was a Mach 1 Nice..."

One of my cousins had a 72 Mach 1 that he shoe-horned one of those hot rodded 427 whatever Ford motors in it. I don't know that much about old Fords, but i remember that that car could probably do 761 MPH. He wrapped it around a power pole and that pretty much ruined the whole thing. He did come out of it with only a broken left arm though. Come to thing of it that Stang had quad headlights?????
No they had turn Sigs in the center..


I am glad he was ok... I have never been a ford owner before my mustang
but I do love my 2005 S197 GT...
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Why the Z06 and Camaro scoops will not effect aerodynamics....
Look at the Picture of the Ferrari below, notice that the smoke stream is not touching the car, this in positive pressure, now notice the very front of the car, the smoke is farther away from the car here because the leading pressure is higher here and creates a "skin" of air so to speak. this skin or bubble of positive air does not move as fast as air further from the car.
for GM to put the slit up on the nose was a smart thing since it will not effect the overall dynamics. but it also makes the slit useless.
So I wasn't talking out of my ass with the bubble theory? I love not being wrong.

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OK, so DGthe3 you can now add to your signature:

...and none of the Vents are real!


It's still awesome though!
Its busy enough down there as it is, I don't want my sig to be longer than my posts. Feel free to use it yourself though. Other ideas are variations on "No LS2" and "There will be regular fuel door". Search for quotes to support these. And there cannot be enough people who use headlight sigs. I must give credit to Dragoneye for the idea. there is even a smiley now.
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Sounds like he found a cobra engine ........... but where?!?!?!?! THATS IT!!!!!!! Now im gonna have to get a GT500 motor to put in my truck
Wow do you think it will fit in the Ranger?
You should just get a Supercharger for the Ranger 4.0 V6...
Its called an X-Charger... I have seen one at the track run 12.6
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SO they can do it again with this camaro, because to me the SS Scoop is sexy but it isnt that big ........
I agree with you...the '96 and '97 SS hoods where very straight forward the air went into the scoop and the airbox was located on top of the engine block, so the passage of the air through the scoop to the airbox was a clear shot.



In the '98-02s it was different. The air went in and was re-routed to the front of the engine where the airbox/intake is. (I was looking for a picture of the underside of the 02 SS hood...if anyone wants to post a picture...feel free)

My point of bringing this up...is that if it was something that GM really wants to do, using the hood latch mechanism or the radiator wouldn't be their reasoning. Some people could argue that the scoops on the 4th Gen SS are located further back on the hood which is what makes the difference, and I would agree...but could air technically enter through the front scoop and be directed downward (or whatever direction) toward the intake? Since none of us (aside from the usual suspects...CAMERO!!!) know what the actual setup of the engine bay will be, I know it would really be hard to comment on. I'm just tossing ideas out there


(wow it took me a long time to write that post...look at aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the stuff that's been said since)
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so the camaro was a ram air??
not only am i looking foward to the camaro but i cant wait to see the pontiac version if there is one...
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so the camaro was a ram air??
not only am i looking foward to the camaro but i cant wait to see the pontiac version if there is one...
The Slit in the nose is not ram air, it is the same design as the Z06, it supplies cold air to the engine bay and forces the hot air out through the vents under the windshield.

If you look under the slit on the Z06 you will see the actual air intake just above the radiator.
The camaro will most likely be on the front corner of the engine bay behind the headlights simular to the V6 Camaro Spy Pics.

Don't count on a Pontiac version, I think the G8 maybe it and you may see a future GTO but no more Firebirds, sorry to say
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im talking gen IV gen IV camaros were ram air... the firebird/ trans am's were... HEY MY DAD BOUGHT A 68 today z28 5 litre green white stripes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hmmm...interesting conversation to say the least. Especially about that cowl hood intake thing. I have to say; I have heard of those -but filed them in the 'dumb' folder.

Why put restrictive, ultra-curvey ducting for your intake air right over a hot engine block?

Anyways. I think the vent out front, and the ones in the back will serve ONE purpose. further beautification. Say what you will about functionality and whatnot - but I like'em.
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