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Old 06-25-2009, 12:39 PM   #1
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L99, A6 (1st gear discussion?)

I'm trying to clear up the confusion about the A6 not starting out in 1st gear. It does start out in 1st gear when using regular D (drive) and M (sport mode).


If you're in D (regular drive) or M( sport mode) and you start out from a dead stop and mash the gas, 1st gear will hit redline at 35-37mph and shift up to 2nd gear. It does this in D, and M mode (not using paddle shifters).

If it was starting out (dead stop flooring the gas) in 2nd gear it wouldn't shift until 60-70mph (where ever the 2-3 shiftpoint is).

So Yes, the A6 starts out in 1st gear when in D (regular drive) and M (sport mode).


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The only time the car will start in 2nd gear is if you are manually shifting up the gears, come to a complete stop and don't manually downshift. The transmission will down shift for you but only to 2nd gear.
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Old 06-25-2009, 12:47 PM   #3
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The only time the car will start in 2nd gear is if you are manually shifting up the gears, come to a complete stop and don't manually downshift. The transmission will down shift for you but only to 2nd gear.
That makes sense.
There's been a lot of confusion and a lot of people think the A6 only drops to 2nd gear when driving around in D or M mode.
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Old 06-25-2009, 04:05 PM   #4
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why is the gear number not shown on the DIC when in M mode or is it? If it isn't that thats just strange...
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Old 06-25-2009, 04:21 PM   #5
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why is the gear number not shown on the DIC when in M mode or is it? If it isn't that thats just strange...
I drive with the speed of the car showing in the DIC. I know that when its in M mode and you've initiated the tap shifts, it shows you what gear its in. But in D or M mode (without using tapshifts) it doesn't show what gear you're in. It just shows M and S (s for sport).

Unless there's a different mode of the DIC that I haven't discovered yet.
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Old 06-25-2009, 11:08 PM   #6
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This quote is from another thread, "The L99 6-speed automatic only starts off in 2nd if you are in A position, or if you are in M position running in Sport mode. If you are in M and run with the Trip-Tronic you can kick it into 1st with a flick of the left flip-off finger."
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Old 06-25-2009, 11:24 PM   #7
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this have been discussed so many times. "m1" doesnt show up when you shift to M because it is in sport mode, a completely different mode than the paddle shifters. to start the using the paddle shifters you have to click on of them.
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Old 06-25-2009, 11:38 PM   #8
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When you first put the shifter to the M (manual) position at highway speed, the DIC simply shows S for Sport mode, no downshift occurs as with my 350Z. As soon as you downshift, it displays S5, S4, etc., but will only drop to 2nd gear, unless you hit the "-" tapshift button when stopped. The manual says, "A 1st gear start can be selected by using the Tap Shift controls on V8 models." See section 8 page 29.
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Old 06-26-2009, 07:57 AM   #9
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The question is whether or not the A6 will start out in 1st gear in any mode other than M-with paddle shifters.
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Would probably help the 0-60 times if you could start out in 1st gear without using TapShift. Only way I know to get to first is to Tap down, but then you are stuck having to launch and continue using TS.
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The question is whether or not the A6 will start out in 1st gear in any mode other than M-with paddle shifters.
YES.

That's what I've been saying.

My A6 starts out in 1st gear everytime from a dead stop using regular
D (drive) and M (Sport mode).

The only time I will NOT start out in 1st gear from a dead stop is when using the tap shifts. If you're in M mode and using the Tap shifts you must manually drop it to 1st gear. Otherwise it will start you out in 2nd gear from a dead stop.
This is where all the confusion started.

But yes, the A6 starts out in 1st gear (from a dead stop) automatically in every driving mode except (manual tap shift mode).
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YES.

That's what I've been saying.

My A6 starts out in 1st gear everytime from a dead stop using regular
D (drive) and M (Sport mode).

The only time I will NOT start out in 1st gear from a dead stop is when using the tap shifts. If you're in M mode and using the Tap shifts you must manually drop it to 1st gear. Otherwise it will start you out in 2nd gear from a dead stop.
This is where all the confusion started.

But yes, the A6 starts out in 1st gear (from a dead stop) automatically in every driving mode except (manual tap shift mode).
And what makes you say that it starts in second when you use the tap shift
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OK... I tried this morning.

- While driving in Auto. Pulled back to M (30mph) and never touched the shifters
- Came to complete stop still never touching shifters
- Slowly took off to 1500rpm and downshifted (one left tap)

Result... RPMs shot up due to downshifting from 2nd to 1st.

Hopefully I can be proven wrong on this one....

If you are using Tap Shift it's going to start in whatever gear you left it in.
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Old 06-26-2009, 10:27 AM   #14
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if you’re at a dead stop and you shift to "M" and you click the right paddle "M2" comes up. if you shift you "M" from a dead stop and click the left paddle "M1" comes up. ok with this being said when you shift to "M" if you are in second gear why don’t the car try to shift to 3rd when you click the right paddle.
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here is the true fact about 1st gear starts

you start the car and put the shifter in D, the car will start in 1st gear ONLY FOR THE FIRST SHIFT SEQUENCE, the next time you come to a stop sign the car will start in 2nd gear until you shut the car off and re-start the engine

OR

you start the car and drive away in D range, then put the shifter in M while you are moving, or pull the shifter all the way to M but dont touch the manual shift buttons on the steering wheel, the cluster will display S, for sport mode, now the trans will start in 1st gear every time you come to a stop
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if you’re at a dead stop and you shift to "M" and you click the right paddle "M2" comes up. if you shift you "M" from a dead stop and click the left paddle "M1" comes up. ok with this being said when you shift to "M" if you are in second gear why don’t the car try to shift to 3rd when you click the right paddle.
Good Question... I will have to try it as I've never right clicked at stop before.

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here is the true fact about 1st gear starts

you start the car and drive away in D range, then put the shifter in M while you are moving, the cluster will display S, for sport mode, now the trans will start in 1st gear every time you come to a stop
I sure hope you are right on this one as my test didn't result in this. I'll try again this evening...

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Good Question... I will have to try it as I've never right clicked at stop before.



I sure hope you are right on this one as my test didn't result in this. I'll try again this evening...

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are you monitoring the shifts with a scan tool or just going off of shift feel,, the way i posted is what my trans does, and i have monitored it with gm and aftermarket scan tools
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here is the true fact about 1st gear starts

you start the car and put the shifter in D, the car will start in 1st gear ONLY FOR THE FIRST SHIFT SEQUENCE, the next time you come to a stop sign the car will start in 2nd gear until you shut the car off and re-start the engine

OR

you start the car and drive away in D range, then put the shifter in M while you are moving, or pull the shifter all the way to M but dont touch the manual shift buttons on the steering wheel, the cluster will display S, for sport mode, now the trans will start in 1st gear every time you come to a stop

I can drive around for 45 minutes and everytime I come to a complete stop it starts me out in 1st gear (using D mode and M mode).
How do I know this? Because it shifts when it hits redline going 37mph. If it was in 2nd gear it wouldn't shift at 37mph under full acceleration.

The 2-3 gear shift would be until 65 mph or so. So its not in 2nd gear.

Maybe the programming is different on my car? All I know is my car drops to
1st gear everytime (time after time) when I come to complete stop (in Drive mode).
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Guys that have L99 A6's please go out and experiment with your car and report back.

Drive around in D mode. Come to a complete stop. Then mash the gas and see when your car makes its first shift (35-37mph?). Then come to a complete stop. Mash the gas and see when your car makes its first shift
(35-37mph?).
That's what my car does. So its definately in 1st gear.

Then do the same experiment with M mode (without touching paddle shifters).

If your car is programmed the same as mine. It will make the 1-2 gear shift at
35-37mph after ever stop.
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OK... I tried this morning.

- While driving in Auto. Pulled back to M (30mph) and never touched the shifters
- Came to complete stop still never touching shifters
- Slowly took off to 1500rpm and downshifted (one left tap)

Result... RPMs shot up due to downshifting from 2nd to 1st.

Hopefully I can be proven wrong on this one....

If you are using Tap Shift it's going to start in whatever gear you left it in.


I think because you started out slowly you weren't in 1st gear? Not sure?

Try this for me and report back.
Just drive around in D mode or M mode (don't touch paddle shifters). Come to a complete stop. Then mash the gas to the floor. See at what mph your car shifts. Then again, come to a complete stop. Again mash the gas to the floor and see what mph it shifts. If your car is shifting at 37mph under full acceleration off the line, it has to be starting out in 1st gear.

I'm trying to figure out if there's something different in my car's programming, or everyone elses car does this.
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are you monitoring the shifts with a scan tool or just going off of shift feel,, the way i posted is what my trans does, and i have monitored it with gm and aftermarket scan tools
I am starting off slow watching the Tach... No shifting has happened and at about 1500 I hit the left TS and the RPMs jump way up indicating I started out in 2nd and have now downshifted to 1st. Not really rocket science, but I need to verify one more time this evening.


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I think because you started out slowly you weren't in 1st gear? Not sure?

Try this for me and report back.
Just drive around in D mode or M mode (don't touch paddle shifters). Come to a complete stop. Then mash the gas to the floor. See at what mph your car shifts. Then again, come to a complete stop. Again mash the gas to the floor and see what mph it shifts. If your car is shifting at 37mph under full acelleration off the line, it has to be starting out in 1st gear.

I'm trying to figure out if there's something different in my car's programming, or everyone elses car does this.
That doesn't make sense to me... Your saying if I take off show it's in second and if I floor it it will be in 1st??? That a fast downshift...

1st gear is a VERY low gear. 37 mph is too fast for 1st. I pretty much guarantee you are starting in 2nd. Tap that baby down and watch it rev up quick.
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I am starting off slow watching the Tach... No shifting has happened and at about 1500 I hit the left TS and the RPMs jump way up indicating I started out in 2nd and have now downshifted to 1st. Not really rocket science, but I need to verify one more time this evening.




That doesn't make sense to me... Your saying if I take off show it's in second and if I floor it it will be in 1st??? That a fast downshift...

1st gear is a VERY low gear. 37 mph is too fast for 1st. I pretty much guarantee you are starting in 2nd. Tap that baby down and watch it rev up quick.

I understand what your saying. I've also been confused.

But the 1-2 gear shift is 37mph. The 2-3 shift is at 65mph. (Find a stats for the A6).

So I don't know if there's a "special low 1st gear"for the tap shift? Sounds unlikely but I can't figure it out.


Here's a new test for you.
Put your car in 2nd gear (using tapshifts). You can run all the way to 65mph before you have to shift to 3rd gear.

But with the car in D or M mode (without touching tap shift) your car will hit red line at 37mph (so what gear would it have to be in?)


Interesting?
2nd gear redline (using tap shift) isn't until 65mph.
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I just found the shift speeds for the LS3 and L99 A6.

As you can see the 1st gear hits redline at 37mph. So it has to be in 1st gear.

Maximum speeds in the auto(manual) LS/LT
1- 43(39)
2- 75(69)
3- 115(109)
4- 153(149)
5- 210(178)
6- 265(237)


Maximum speeds the auto (manual) SS
1- 37(52)
2- 64(81)
3- 99(111)
4- 132(159)
5- 180(189)
6- 227(280)
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I am starting off slow watching the Tach... No shifting has happened and at about 1500 I hit the left TS and the RPMs jump way up indicating I started out in 2nd and have now downshifted to 1st. Not really rocket science, but I need to verify one more time this evening.




That doesn't make sense to me... Your saying if I take off show it's in second and if I floor it it will be in 1st??? That a fast downshift...

1st gear is a VERY low gear. 37 mph is too fast for 1st. I pretty much guarantee you are starting in 2nd. Tap that baby down and watch it rev up quick.
that is not true. i was around 35 mph before i shifted out of first.
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that is not true. i was around 35 mph before i shifted out of first.
My bad then... Thanks for the clarification
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