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Old 06-29-2009, 08:20 PM   #1
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5 cars at City Chevrolet

Pretty sad I rode by other day and they had 5 camaros lined up outside. I am fairly sure they are all for sale as the yellow V6 is the one I test drove. I know they have them listed for over msrp even though they took and are delivering preorders at MSRP. Its just a shame I ordered from them in February and haven't even moved through the system yet and they have 5 cars sitting on their lot.

Edit i finally moved to 2000 and today already to 3000.
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Old 06-30-2009, 08:42 AM   #2
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Don't blame City

Yes City has 5 cars sitting on the lot, however it isn't because we haven't been trying to take care of our customers. It is because some of the less than reputable dealers across the country have been failing to take care of theirs. Other dealers are selling these vehicles through brokers for prices in excess of MSRP...this puts us in a position to satisfy some consumers need for a car ASAP and puts us in a position to help build our allocation as GM goes to a turn to earn allocation. Ideally we will sell these cars, hopefully not lose money on them as the market turns, and help get our sold orders delivered faster. Thanks for allowing me to vent.
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Yes City has 5 cars sitting on the lot, however it isn't because we haven't been trying to take care of our customers. It is because some of the less than reputable dealers across the country have been failing to take care of theirs. Other dealers are selling these vehicles through brokers for prices in excess of MSRP...this puts us in a position to satisfy some consumers need for a car ASAP and puts us in a position to help build our allocation as GM goes to a turn to earn allocation. Ideally we will sell these cars, hopefully not lose money on them as the market turns, and help get our sold orders delivered faster. Thanks for allowing me to vent.
These brokers would not be able to sell them if there was not a buyer. So you are getting the sales card with the cars you are buying?
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Well if it helps me get my order faster I'm all for it, we just frown upon cars being sold over MSRP on here.
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Yes City has 5 cars sitting on the lot, however it isn't because we haven't been trying to take care of our customers. It is because some of the less than reputable dealers across the country have been failing to take care of theirs. Other dealers are selling these vehicles through brokers for prices in excess of MSRP...this puts us in a position to satisfy some consumers need for a car ASAP and puts us in a position to help build our allocation as GM goes to a turn to earn allocation. Ideally we will sell these cars, hopefully not lose money on them as the market turns, and help get our sold orders delivered faster. Thanks for allowing me to vent.
Don't use that sorry excuse of buying cars from other dealers at over Stricker, which then leaves you no other choice but to selling for over that stricker price you paid. It's your fault for doing a dumb deal. You are being greedy because you assume that people are buying these cars so fast so lets get them through other dealers although we will pay over stricker, but thats ok because people will buy them for over stricker. I hope it backfires on your greedy asses and you lose money because you shouldn't be taking that risk. Greed is Greed and that's all you are doing.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:59 AM   #6
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i test drove the silver ss 2 days ago with tim! it was awesome! i just cant wait to get mine!
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i test drove the silver ss 2 days ago with tim! it was awesome! i just cant wait to get mine!
Was it a 6-speed???
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Yes City has 5 cars sitting on the lot, however it isn't because we haven't been trying to take care of our customers. It is because some of the less than reputable dealers across the country have been failing to take care of theirs. Other dealers are selling these vehicles through brokers for prices in excess of MSRP...this puts us in a position to satisfy some consumers need for a car ASAP and puts us in a position to help build our allocation as GM goes to a turn to earn allocation. Ideally we will sell these cars, hopefully not lose money on them as the market turns, and help get our sold orders delivered faster. Thanks for allowing me to vent.
TOTAL B.S.
That is so lame!!!! Come up with something better than that or don't try and defend your dealership!!! Trying to get over MSRP is pathetic! You shouldn't be able to even post on here if that is what you do. You should be ashamed!!! Put yourself in jpsupermans shoes and ask yourself what you would think if it was you that placed your order in Feb. and your still not moving through the process. I bet you wouldn't look at it the same then!!!
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:03 PM   #10
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JPSUPERMAN like many other customers ORDERED a vehicle...there isn't a dealership that could fill a order for a vehicle by buying the vehicle from a source other than GM. Trust me if we could fill our sold orders faster we would some things are beyond our control. Most customers want the Camaro they ordered not whatever the dealership managed to buy from wherever they could get one. By buying the cars we are in a position to take advantage of Public Relation opportunities and we have something for consumers to touch so they can make the right decision in ordering the vehicle they desire. You would be surprised at how many of our customers are happy because we stepped out on a limb so they could see a vehicle similiar to what they ordered in person. It may seem dumb to some narrow minded people for a dealership to purchase a vehicle over MSRP and expect to get out of it without taking a hit, however a car is just like any other commodity SUPPLY and DEMAND will rule markets and there is nothing that can be done to change that. If our management decided to stick it to our customers that ordered vehicles I could understand getting flamed by people like you. I don't know what kind of business you are in but I can tell you that you don't get to go to work everyday because you buy products and turn around and sell them for less than you paid. Do some research these cars ARE selling at auctions as PRE OWNED vehicles for more than MSRP! If a dealer has done something to upset you I am SORRY!!! Please don't take it out on us considering you have probably never done business with us!!! We have a outstanding reputation in our community and throughout our owner base. We do everything we can do to make sure we have Completley Satisfied customers we have done everything within our power and make every effort to get our orders moving and into our customers hands as soon as possible. I have received calls from customers that have ordered from other dealerships and have helped them figure out what was going on with the vehicle they were expecting...how many other dealerships would go through the trouble to do that for a random customer on the phone that has already commited to buying from somewhere else?

BTW...I am not here to solicit business, I am here because I love all of the excitement surrounding the Camaro...I have been trolling the site for a long time and I use some of the information that I find to help me in business, just yesterday I got with my service department about the spoiler bolts coming loose and one of our Advisors had a customer coming in with the rattling sound in the trunk...this site helps us stay on top of those things, who knows how long it would take for a bulletin from GM...I should not be banned from posting on this site...maybe you should!!!
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Old 07-02-2009, 10:25 PM   #11
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Adrian,
the problem people here have is, we don't like to see ANY business jack a car above a "msrp" stage because it gives you guys plenty of money even at the msrp rate to make a profit. It doesn't mean u guys have to jack up a car to sell it. Look at it from our standpoint. The average joe can't afford to pay above retail due to the fact that the car will at some point NOT be worth it.
IF someone buys this car for $2 grand above retail, a year from now, it WON"T be worth it. This does NOT help your customer nor you guys for hi-jacking your customers to the tune of $3 thousand above invoice.
All it does is leave a bad taste in the customer's mouth and believe me, everyone will remember the dealers who dealt them above msrp. The reason GM puts out a msrp, is hopefully you guys will adhere to it to give a 'reasonable' pricepoint on this car. It looks like greed has won out on this end.
I don't wanna hear that you're providing a service, because frankly, you guys are running off of our taxpaying money right now, so that sorta makes you folks a little more accountable to joe q. taxpayer at the moment. Some dealers won't admit that this has become an 'open season' on people's emotions and that fact that it is a hot car and it has been a fiasco for the common guy to try to get one at a reasonable cost. I find it in very bad taste in this economic climate for any car manufacturer to take advantage of the situation after all the bailouts and i sincerely hope that this comes back in the face of all dealers who think they have to inflate the price to the level of ridiculous proportions. No amount of your reasoning will change the majority of us here who want this car at a price we can all live with.
you keep the car at msrp, keep yourself honest and treat us right, and you get a customer for life.
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Old 07-02-2009, 11:24 PM   #12
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the problem people here have is, we don't like to see ANY business jack a car above a "msrp" stage because it gives you guys plenty of money even at the msrp rate to make a profit. It doesn't mean u guys have to jack up a car to sell it. Look at it from our standpoint. The average joe can't afford to pay above retail due to the fact that the car will at some point NOT be worth it.
IF someone buys this car for $2 grand above retail, a year from now, it WON"T be worth it. This does NOT help your customer nor you guys for hi-jacking your customers to the tune of $3 thousand above invoice.
All it does is leave a bad taste in the customer's mouth and believe me, everyone will remember the dealers who dealt them above msrp. The reason GM puts out a msrp, is hopefully you guys will adhere to it to give a 'reasonable' pricepoint on this car. It looks like greed has won out on this end.
I don't wanna hear that you're providing a service, because frankly, you guys are running off of our taxpaying money right now, so that sorta makes you folks a little more accountable to joe q. taxpayer at the moment. Some dealers won't admit that this has become an 'open season' on people's emotions and that fact that it is a hot car and it has been a fiasco for the common guy to try to get one at a reasonable cost. I find it in very bad taste in this economic climate for any car manufacturer to take advantage of the situation after all the bailouts and i sincerely hope that this comes back in the face of all dealers who think they have to inflate the price to the level of ridiculous proportions. No amount of your reasoning will change the majority of us here who want this car at a price we can all live with.
you keep the car at msrp, keep yourself honest and treat us right, and you get a customer for life.
My store is selling at MSRP. As long as people pay over msrp you will have stores trying to make more money. Please don't act like this never happened before. If someone comes in and offers 5k over on our floor model I am taking it. I have two more going this week at sticker. That is number4 and 5 for me at sticker. None of our other sales people have sold any over sticker. Our store has sold to many Camaro 5 members.
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Old 07-02-2009, 11:30 PM   #13
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espo19047,

There are also plenty of dealers that are willing to do GMS and Supplier discounts unlike your dealership so I won't repeat it but there is a little saying about glass houses that comes to mind.
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Old 07-03-2009, 02:49 PM   #14
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espo, i don't have a problem with anything you're saying..
my problem has been, dealers are a part of the whole umbrella of GM.
you guys got bailed out with taxpayers money. that makes it a very tenuous situation with dealers charging more than msrp. i equate that to biting the very hand that feeds you. If any dealer has no problem charging thousands above msrp, then it sends a message that they truly don't mind ramming up the butts of the average joe, which btw paid for your bailout without any say-so. We can argue all day about right or wrong with charging more, but the bottom line is, most dealers see that there's an opportunity to play on people's desires and emotions, and it ends up being a bad situation for the average customer who ends up buying this car for more than 'retail'..
i don't know how much plainer i can put it. If u were in the same situation and not working at a dealer, would u want your salesperson or sales manager to tell you they're gonna ask 2,3,5 or 10 thousand more than the suggested manufacturers price?????????????????
common sense would say no, but that doesn't change the business practices of most dealers out there. I just get tired of the situation, and it makes me mad that america paid out a large sum of money to keep gm afloat, and they still file bankruptcy, reorganize with even more sums of cash, and then we get to hear dealers say they're gonna charge above msrp. i guess this will never be an agreed upon situation between customer/dealer and i'll be curious how this all plays out a year or two from now..
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Hi Adrian! Just want to say I have to agree with you. And to all others, simple economics of supply and demand. A year from now, they will be selling for sticker or less. Those who did not pre-order will pay a premium to be one of the first to own this car. I bought my car from Adrian and find he is an up-front guy, no BS and very knowledgeable. In fact, it was Adrian my salesperson who introduced me to camaro5! BTW Adrian, do I have a TPW yet???? Arl
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Old 07-03-2009, 08:45 PM   #16
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all im saying is.. i have passed city several times this week. all the same cars are there except for the silver one.... it kinda makes me wonder why those camaros are still there for so long... maybe the demand is going downward... and the supply is still there..
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There are also plenty of dealers that are willing to do GMS and Supplier discounts unlike your dealership so I won't repeat it but there is a little saying about glass houses that comes to mind.
We do GMS and Supplier on everything but the Camaro. It took two years before they did GMS on the ZO6. There are two employees of Reedman-Toll driving Camaros right now and they paid msrp. I don't think we need to apologize to anyone about this policy. I would like to see a list of the "plenty of dealers" in our area who will except GMS or GSU. I am guessing they don't have the allocation.
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I had multiple dealers say they had allocations and would accept GMS but to be fair to you I only have it in writing from the dealer that I ordered from. Since you asked it is Fred Beans in Doylestown
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Yes City has 5 cars sitting on the lot, however it isn't because we haven't been trying to take care of our customers. It is because some of the less than reputable dealers across the country have been failing to take care of theirs. Other dealers are selling these vehicles through brokers for prices in excess of MSRP...this puts us in a position to satisfy some consumers need for a car ASAP and puts us in a position to help build our allocation as GM goes to a turn to earn allocation. Ideally we will sell these cars, hopefully not lose money on them as the market turns, and help get our sold orders delivered faster. Thanks for allowing me to vent.
So, using YOUR LOGIC above, if GM goes to a Turn to Earn Allocation, you would think selling the cars at MSRP would help you move MORE PRODUCT, as the MAJORITY of the Camaro Buying public is on one or more of these sites, and an ANTI-OVER MSRP sentiment has been pervasive on ALL of the sites. So the INFORMED Camaro consumers will NOT be helping you move your over priced cars off your lot any time soon. So you wait for the 1 in a hundred person to come in that just HAS to have one. Good luck with that. My dealer up north here is selling only at MSRP and cannot keep them in stock and has sold out every other allocation and earned spot as quickly as they get one. You bought over MSRP, so now YOU have perpetuated the problem AND ONLY BROUGHT THE PRICE OF YOUR 5 CARS EVEN HIGHER. Seems to me that YOUR STEALERSHIP IS THE PROBLEM CHILD THAT IS DRIVING THE PRICES UP. Hope you are stuck with them. Your loyal customers wait while you go out and jack up the prices on cars that you should just let lie. Brilliant.
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Espo,

We have the same policy, I am waiting until I am allowed to buy at GMS. All sold orders are at MSRP. If you want to jump the cue and take our showroom SS2 that we added stripes and tint, you will pay extra, I quoted (to a customer who had already ordered and was waiting for his to arrive) on our show room car at $500 over MSRP after adding on cost for the tint and stripes. I really would rather sell at MSRP and have customers order their cars, I certainly wish the cars were stacking up on the lot a little bit so we can start offering supplier and GMS(and I could order mine!). My customer decided since this car was not exactly what he ordered he would wait, I think it was a smart move although very difficult. When these cars are sitting there they are very tempting! I look at an Aqua Blue LT2 RS with 20 inch polished and am tempted even those I want a white one! They are all so beautiful and so hard to say no to. It is very tough having to work all day with these cars all around me!

Having a car in the showroom over MSRP should not be too offensive to anyone, a lot of folks ordering these cars want to touch and sit in one before ordering to get a feel and look at the wheels, the gauge package, hear the sound system, etc. We are already considering supplier and GMS for ordered units, it will probably happen in a few weeks.

To those that disagree with OVER MSRP, be like the a lot of us, you pay MSRP or less and wait, or you jump the cue and pay for joy of owning your new car months eariler. No one puts a gun to anyone's head and forces them to buy at the higher price, however some folks are just plain senseless when it comes to spending money, thats why we go to dining rooms and pay someone way over cost on a steak we could buy for 4 bucks in deli and end up paying 15 bucks for and THEN tip them for doing it! Convenience and that "I want it right now" attitude is rampart!

Heck you got Euros in here willing to pay $100K for the same car you paid $36k for, and if you could figure out a way to sell it to them for $90k, and turn around with the profit and buy yourself another car, you might be tempted.(as long as it was legal)

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i ordered a camaro from city chevrolet in charlotte also. Its really a bummer when you order a car and are told 4-6 weeks for delivery then 4 months later nobody can give you an answer to when it will be delivered or if its even being built yet. What happens when it changes to the 2011 model year will i be stuck with a 2010 model thats not fair.I think the dealer should be communicating with gm in oshawa a little bit better so they can actually give the customer an answer not just saying gm wont tell us so we cant tell you. This is the first gm product ive ordered and probably the last. Soon i will be going to the media as well as the states attorney because what is going on with gm in general is wrong taking tax payer monies and it supposidly is taking 6-8 months to build a car come on. Then there selling them for 8000 over msrp sounds a little bit fishy to me.
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Old 07-17-2009, 03:02 PM   #22
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Maybe your salesman is just an idiot, city while they didn't mention allocation or anything they did warn me it could be up to six months. I never thought it would take so long but that's looking real accurate now. My understanding is they are taking and delivering all orders for msrp and they have been great to deal with so far. I even got a care package right after my order with a keychain and a model matching my color and everything. I don't know your whole story but an idiot salesman could make a stupid promise of 4 to 6 weeks and just not know any better or just be looking for a commision. My salesman has updated me everytime my order has moved.
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as far as i know my order still has not moved. ordered in march.
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Old 07-17-2009, 03:21 PM   #24
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I ordered feb 13, another board member I talk with is a week or so behind me. Your should start moving soon they get allocations often. Whomever told you 4 to 6 weeks was an idiot. There are people on here that will track your order anytime you want. I didn't think I was ever gonna leave 1100 either but once i did I moved fast I went 2000 and 3000 within two days. That's was end of June and now my car should be built around august 3. So once you move you move fast now, and think of it like this the higher the vin the less problems we might have.
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The question you need to ask your salesman today or someone higher up is where are you currently on the list and how many weekly allocations are they being given I heard it was from 2to4 per week. If they get 2 per week and your 8th in line you have one more month to move to 2000. I was questioning everything and getting mad too since i ordered Feb. and didn't move till june. You shouldn't be too far behind me. Its hard I never wanted a car so bad but once they are here it will all be worth it.
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