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Old 06-23-2013, 11:34 AM   #253
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When I took that boss down the track I noticed it was more torquey than what the dyno led me to believe.
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Old 06-23-2013, 12:32 PM   #254
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I have quite a few times, and they aren't nearly as torquey as you make them out. are they useless on the low end? no. but certainly no equal to the ls3.
coyote gt's have decent low end. Not as good as an ss, but it outshines an ss after 4k all the way to 7k. I have driven both.
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Old 06-23-2013, 02:18 PM   #255
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I really like this video from BBK. Is a dyno battle Camaro LS3 VS. 5.0 Mustang. Mustang wins the horspower battle. Camaro wins the torque battle. But Neither is going to get you a win in the street the margin is so small.

I watched that video and it is nothing short of an advertisement. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with advertising. But that particular video was crap. The acting was horrible, not one of those three looked like they knew what they were talking about or like they wanted to even be there in the first place, the video is almost 2 years old yet we still have yet to see this TB available for purchase, and multiple people have made more hp and tq than this video suggests with less mods. If anything I wouldn't be surprised if BBK fudged the numbers so as not to come out on any specific side so they could keep both customer bases. But technically, I think they are more for Fords than Camaros.
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Old 06-23-2013, 02:34 PM   #256
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coyote gt's have decent low end. Not as good as an ss, but it outshines an ss after 4k all the way to 7k. I have driven both.

the 5.0 has adequate low end.
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:43 PM   #257
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And stock, the 5.0 made 13 more hp than the LS3, must be that darned IRS again! Maybe Ford is underrating them?
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:53 PM   #258
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There is a lot to be said for the gearing in the GT. From what I understand it is pretty steep. This I assume plays into the characteristics inherent to that type of motor. It helps it stay in its power band . Makes sense they aren't completely retarded at Ford. LoL

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Old 06-23-2013, 05:08 PM   #259
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But you know some of the fastest bone stock 1/4 times in a stick car are with the 3.31's. With stock rubber, the guy's with 3.73's have hell hooking up, even with no low end tq. The auto's are the ones to watch out for, transmission's 1st gear is 4.17, even with the 3.15's in back they are quick out of the hole.
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I was referring to the TR6060 gears. From my understanding they are pretty freaking steep.

There is a point of negative gains when you start throwing steep differential gears. Traction gets affected the top end goes out the door.


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But you know some of the fastest bone stock 1/4 times in a stick car are with the 3.31's. With stock rubber, the guy's with 3.73's have hell hooking up, even with no low end tq. The auto's are the ones to watch out for, transmission's 1st gear is 4.17, even with the 3.15's in back they are quick out of the hole.
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Old 06-23-2013, 06:57 PM   #262
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I was referring to the TR6060 gears. From my understanding they are pretty freaking steep.

There is a point of negative gains when you start throwing steep differential gears. Traction gets affected the top end goes out the door.


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The only Mustang currently using a TR6060 is the gt500 which has some of the tallest gearing you will ever see in a performance car. The car hits 95mph in second gear.
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Yep. Tr6060 only available in the Shelby. Why I didn't buy a 5.0
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I think that's to hit that elusive 200mph in 5th gear. How bout some 3.73's and sticky tires in a 13 GT500! Might need a big parts can though.
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And stock, the 5.0 made 13 more hp than the LS3, must be that darned IRS again! Maybe Ford is underrating them?
It is the IRS. It saps more power than a live rear. Both engines are SAE rated and Ford has no halo car to protect by under rating the 5.0. If it made more power they would definitely advertise it. I came from a G37 so the 5.0, and especially with a tune, it's got incredible torque.
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I think that's to hit that elusive 200mph in 5th gear. How bout some 3.73's and sticky tires in a 13 GT500! Might need a big parts can though.
I also think they did it to hit 60 in first gear and help with gas mileage. You would need some real sticky tires with 3.73s in that car.
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