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Old 06-16-2013, 06:23 AM   #51
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Ah...that's what I was guessing. Thanks
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Old 06-16-2013, 09:22 AM   #52
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I had >200 drag strip passes on a 96 Corvette with the ZF6 trans. No lift shifted for almost all of em. Never had an issue, car never gave any trouble. YMMV.
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Old 06-16-2013, 09:27 AM   #53
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Well you and power shift any manual car for example, that simply shifting but never letting off the gas. You'll hear the engine rev up between shifts.

Congrats on the ET. In the fall take out the extra weight and you'll probably go low 12.8's.

I went 13.15 stock in my auto, but I also was able to cut a 1.95.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:26 PM   #54
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Tire spin usually leads to a higher trap speed and an obviously lower ET. With that being said you can rarely use a trap speed to calculate ET due to how each is measured at the track. On that note how does Motor Trend run all kinds of 13's in SS's but 12.7 in a 1LE? Or should I say does all the 1LE stuff help or hinder like a few people think it does?
Yes 12.7 at 112. Funny thing is MT has always been kinda down on the Camaro (and high on the Mustang) till the 1LE.
My guess is the 1LE rear may plant better than an SS without the 1LE package.
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:42 AM   #55
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Yes 12.7 at 112. Funny thing is MT has always been kinda down on the Camaro (and high on the Mustang) till the 1LE.
My guess is the 1LE rear may plant better than an SS without the 1LE package.
It's downright funny how fast Motor Trend puts their foot in their mouth when it comes to tests these days. Carry over model year cars can be the cat's ass one year but complete junk the next. They've changed their opinion of the Mustang & Camaro in every test they do.

As for SS vs 1LE I think it's the different combination of the 3.91's, stickier tires and size. My 2012 SS seemed to bog without really aggressive throttle control. But thats what you get with 3.45's and tall tires on heavy wheels.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:48 AM   #56
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It's downright funny how fast Motor Trend puts their foot in their mouth when it comes to tests these days. Carry over model year cars can be the cat's ass one year but complete junk the next. They've changed their opinion of the Mustang & Camaro in every test they do.

As for SS vs 1LE I think it's the different combination of the 3.91's, stickier tires and size. My 2012 SS seemed to bog without really aggressive throttle control. But thats what you get with 3.45's and tall tires on heavy wheels.
I agree that the tires, lighter wheels, and rear end help the 1LE over a standard SS. If the suspension of the SS is a bit softer in the rear (which I assume it is, but am not sure), that would be a plus. The stiffness of the road race inspired suspension of the 1LE is not what the doctor ordered at the drag strip. It has to kill weight transfer.

Cody, thanks for the tranny pictures!
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Old 07-31-2013, 08:39 PM   #57
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Interesting to compare my best run so far with yours OP. I am #0806. You treed me. But our 60' is very close. I know on this run I hit the shift points pretty well. Yet you whipped me good. Up until this run and a couple after I finally got my 60' down to 2.1 which is my most common time on my '11 SS with Pirellis. In that car I hit a few 1.9s on Pirellis. I do not know if that will be possible with the 1LE.

The only way I got down to 2.1 with the 1LE was using launch control at 2,500-3,000 RPM. I figured I would give it a try. It still works down there if you really let the clutch go fast. If you ease it out then it does not help you. Anyway it did for me. The next time I go back, I will go back to DIY with TC off. You showed me I can get better.

What is interesting is comparing our ET and MPH

You: 12.991 @ 108.42 Corrected: 12.733 @ 110.226.
Me: 13.492 @ 106.28 Corrected: 13.157 @ 109.028 MPH

If our cars are identical and our runs were very close, then where did my ET and MPH go? I know corrected times do not matter but they may help when comparing the runs so we are closer there. What I am hoping is that the fuse pull does work and I can recover that difference. I did have less gas than you (3/8 tank) no extra stuff, and I weigh 225. I also had at the time at least mostly 93 in the tank. I also plan on bringing my grand nieces car seat just in case that helps.

I reamain to be convinced 1LEs are any faster than other LS3s. But I love it anyway.

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Old 07-31-2013, 08:49 PM   #58
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I actual tried a NLS from 1st to 2nd this weekend. There were no issues but it felt like the car held the clutch engagement for a moment after I released it. The clutch did not slip or spin at all. I shifted extremely fast with my foot on the gas to the floor. I felt a positive engagement of the shifter into 2nd gear and released the clutch fast (side stepped)
and then it felt like about a second and the tire barked as the clutch.

They're was a really weird delay as if the car was protecting itself.

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Old 07-31-2013, 09:00 PM   #59
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yoiu should get better than 12.8s w drag radials, my 2000 SS dropped almost half a second with drag radials, 13.0s to 12.6s
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Interesting to compare my best run so far with yours OP. I am #0806. You treed me. But our 60' is very close. I know on this run I hit the shift points pretty well. Yet you whipped me good. Up until this run and a couple after I finally got my 60' down to 2.1 which is my most common time on my '11 SS with Pirellis. In that car I hit a few 1.9s on Pirellis. I do not know if that will be possible with the 1LE.

The only way I got down to 2.1 with the 1LE was using launch control at 2,500-3,000 RPM. I figured I would give it a try. It still works down there if you really let the clutch go fast. If you ease it out then it does not help you. Anyway it did for me. The next time I go back, I will go back to DIY with TC off. You showed me I can get better.

What is interesting is comparing our ET and MPH

You: 12.991 @ 108.42 Corrected: 12.733 @ 110.226.
Me: 13.492 @ 106.28 Corrected: 13.157 @ 109.028 MPH

If our cars are identical and our runs were very close, then where did my ET and MPH go? I know corrected times do not matter but they may help when comparing the runs so we are closer there. What I am hoping is that the fuse pull does work and I can recover that difference. I did have less gas than you (3/8 tank) no extra stuff, and I weigh 225. I also had at the time at least mostly 93 in the tank. I also plan on bringing my grand nieces car seat just in case that helps.

I reamain to be convinced 1LEs are any faster than other LS3s. But I love it anyway.



Just looking at the slips, mine/ yours I can see that by the 1/8 I am 2-3 tenths faster and a couple of MPH higher. It could simply be that it was warmer air for you. I do have a metric ton of seat time and have been told the cars often sound like automatics on the track because of my fast shifts.

What was the temp when you ran?

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Old 07-31-2013, 09:03 PM   #61
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yoiu should get better than 12.8s w drag radials, my 2000 SS dropped almost half a second with drag radials, 13.0s to 12.6s
I may never know :(. I am installing the Pedders springs in the next couple days which will kill my weight transfer at a drag strip. I may need the DRs just to run the same

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Old 07-31-2013, 09:25 PM   #62
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Run "pump" gas. we have 4 gas stations in town, 2 of them sell 103 octane.
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Isn't 103 leaded? I would avoid that
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Old 08-01-2013, 12:52 AM   #65
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I can't wait to take mine to the track, but it's so hot down here in TX. UGH.
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Old 08-01-2013, 10:00 AM   #66
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Run "pump" gas. we have 4 gas stations in town, 2 of them sell 103 octane.
no reason to run 102 even if it wasnt leaded, youd wanna run the lowest octane you can that doesnt cause knocking
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Just looking at the slips, mine/ yours I can see that by the 1/8 I am 2-3 tenths faster and a couple of MPH higher. It could simply be that it was warmer air for you. I do have a metric ton of seat time and have been told the cars often sound like automatics on the track because of my fast shifts.

What was the temp when you ran?

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Yea, you were pulling me the whole quarter.

I have been told my shifting was good by fans who have come up to me a couple of times. I'm not saying that I am as fast on the draw as you, but at least a good shifter. But I do miss a gear occasionally. My problem other than my launch is my shift points. So I am not consistent. On this particular run I thought I hit second and third just about right. I could have short shifted fourth a little. A shift light would really help me. I was really disappointed when I saw the slip. knew it would be my best run of the night. And it was.

Your air was a little better as we are closer after I adjusted for DA.

So one or more of three things, I am completely wrong about my skills, some 1LEs are much stronger than others, or I needed a fuse pull.

Of course many think fuse pulls are an urban legend. I am trying it anyway before I start modding. I was really hoping for at least a corrected 12 second run. Maybe I can get lucky with a 2.0 launch.
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Old 08-01-2013, 11:36 PM   #68
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yoiu should get better than 12.8s w drag radials, my 2000 SS dropped almost half a second with drag radials, 13.0s to 12.6s
Sadly I'm now bogging bad with DRs and my 60 hasn't dropped, I've upped the rpms at each launch all the way to 5500. Hooked up but bogged bad. My next night I will stay with the stock tires and see where that gets me.Name:  ImageUploadedByTapatalk1375414552.223520.jpg
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That is the best run I've managed with mine
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I tested 'launch control' tonight, and it spins the tires like crazy before it hooks up.
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Sadly I'm now bogging bad with DRs and my 60 hasn't dropped, I've upped the rpms at each launch all the way to 5500. Hooked up but bogged bad. My next night I will stay with the stock tires and see where that gets me.Attachment 539666
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That is the best run I've managed with mine

maybe add some tire pressure and let them get a bit of spin, my old camaro (2000 SS, w about 375HP) i used to rev it all the way up sidestep the clutch they would chirp and off we go, and pull 60 foot times in the 1.8 range

side note are you using the competitive mode? cause thats designed for road racing, if it were me id just turn the TC/ST off completely
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Fraxum,

There are so many factors I wouldn't sweet it. Just get some more seat time in it and see what happens. I will tell you I listen to the motor and keep one yet on the tach. I was shifting just before or as it was hitting the redline on the tach which was the money spot as I never hit the limiter. As far as skill?!? Some people can play golf, run a marathon or sink 3 pointers. I can not do any of those things with any finess or desired results. But, I can drive anything in a straight line or on a road course and lay good numbers down. Driving is my passion so I get a kick out of it.


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I know it is silly but you are turning all nannies off when you launch? You are also not using the launch control correct? I will also assume you at doing a burnout until the tires smoke?
Finally, what pressure are you running?

You might have one hell of a prepped track. Next time out try to just do a dry hop or a 1 second tire spin to just clean the tires up and then give it a go and see if it bogs.

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Old 08-02-2013, 11:44 AM   #72
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Forget the correction factors, they are not accurate and should never be used as a base. With your DRs if you are bogging that bad try increasing the tire pressure until you get a slight spin at launch. With your mph you should be running a 12:70s with a 1.9s 60'. In the 5th gens I found that the DRs were not worth that much of an improvement. My best pass with my stock 10-SS was 12:87, adding Nitto 555Rs got me to 12:72. Becareful as well if you try slipping the clutch to help with the bog, you will smoke it.
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Will putting 305 tires on the rear of the 1LE give faster 1/4 mile times or will it just slow it down?
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Will putting 305 tires on the rear of the 1LE give faster 1/4 mile times or will it just slow it down?
Catch22....

If you need the added width it will aid in traction (faster)
The OD is slightly larger (I think it is 3/4" diff in height diff) so it will reduce your gearing (slower)
It will weigh slightly more (slower)

NOW, all of the above are really negligible....

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Catch22....

If you need the added width it will aid in traction (faster)
The OD is slightly larger (I think it is 3/4" diff in height diff) so it will reduce your gearing (slower)
It will weigh slightly more (slower)

NOW, all of the above are really negligible....

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So I'm guessing it won't give faster times? Would it just end up having the same performance on the 1/4 mile?
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